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You knew what you were doing .....

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Doesn't even have a hinge either ;)

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you know exactly what he meant. There is no misunderstanding here. Hugh should just come clean and admit he was say I am extreme right

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Would that make it hingeless or unhinged?

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The only person who has accused you of being extreme right is your goodself. You're taking offence mate when none was intended.

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Was there s Bracket? ;)

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It's similar (in a way) to 'thinking outside the box' . . someone comes up with an idea that is outside the recognised and accepted boundaries, everyone else laughs and considers you a nutcase :D

Sometimes it works, but it is generally safer to stay inside the box and 'fit in' with what the majority will accept and go along with.

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Offence was intended. Hugh knows exactly what he did. Do not take me for a fool because Hugh certainly is no fool and his intent was obvious.

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OK. The furthest to the right is labeled as Unthinkable. One step after the label Radical. We all know what radicalised means from the press and terrorism so Hugh saying I am the right hinge puts me past Radical thinking and past Unthinkable thinking so as I have said over and over his intent and insult is clear

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Guess what is annoying residents of the northern coastline of France? Charities aiding migrants with food, clothing, shelter and basic medical needs. If they weren't there, the migrants would have a tougher time of it, and perhaps think twice.

Care4Calais is a UK-based and funded charity, with many UK nationals on the ground in France.

But things are going sour. "Choose Love" is pulling funding.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-ends-funding

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The Team are perfectly entitled to post their views, and its not your place to question otherwise.

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Enough, move on or leave, your choice.

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Andrew, you're showing your age here!

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French authorities auction off smuggling boats almost identical to the dinghy that sank near Calais for £135


The French authorities auctioned off at least seven confiscated small boats on the very day 27 migrants drowned in the Channel.

The Mail on Sunday can reveal that the vessels, including one almost identical to the dinghy that sank near Calais, were sold online last Wednesday for as little as €160 (£135).

Critics questioned the morality of selling the longboats, which are of little use to fishermen or yachtsmen, and fear they will simply end up back in the hands of ruthless people-traffickers.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-boats.html


The online auction of 15 inflatable dinghies and 50 outboard engines recovered at sea by lifeboats, coastguards or the French Navy was approved by France’s Maritime Affairs department.

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But they are happy for them to enter illegally as long they are wanting to go to the UK

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Then why not criticise other countries for allowing them to leave their borders and enter France. I mean I know that would entail lessening the seemingly popular sport of France bashing but still

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Just more proof showing the French lack of care on this matter

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It has no relevance to us here as they come to us from France and the French actively help them along

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Of course it has relevance, if neighbouring transit countries blocked people from leaving their countries then they wouldn’t enter France. Ergo they wouldn’t enter the U.K.

The problem with this is that blame gets passed from transit country to transit country until you reach the country of origins direct number. Therefore people will look for the easiest target to blame in this case the French.

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So what? It is the French fault so many try to cross the channel. You your very self conceded how wrong it was for the Police to stand watching.

Ultimately we need to change our policies and give them nothing

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Like I said before there are bad apples in every barre. You’re very misguided if you think that’s a representation of the entire French police and border forces.

What do you think that people who enter this country are given ?

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And I think you are being very naive giving them the benefit of the doubt

To much as they keep wanting to come

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they're not given the bill.

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Actually, you keep telling everybody…

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If we made it horrendous for them to stay here they would not want to come here. Problem nowadays we would see hordes of people crying human rights but I bet you not many of them would take the migrants in and look after them if asked to

If seeking asylum give them a tent in a field. If they truly are escaping something then anything is better

Just for reference I do not blame the people wanting better lives. I blame the polices in place making this the attractive place for them to come to

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You keep telling yourself that dear, meanwhile back in the real world, most of the civilised world know that generating positive outcomes requires cooperation rather than division.

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So, what are they given?

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And to you, what are they given ?

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And I will repeat too much as they keep wanting to come

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So, you have no idea what they receive. Sounds like a reasonable position to base your argument on.

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I am not arguing I am just posting my opinion

I know what benefits they receive and from research I know they like to come here because they can get cash in hand work. Apart from that I have no idea what else attracts them to this country but if I did I would say take it away

Thing is mate I have already posted what they get and was then pulled up for cutting and pasting from el gov site to which I quite gleefully replied that it was a copy and paste you cannot cut from government website and so on. I know there is a lot to look through but you are just asking questions I already responded to earlier

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You're going to take away their family already here and their ability to speak English, neat trick

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Least I am not being extreme right and saying lets just sink the boats or shoot em innit

Just make it less attractive to them so they do not want to come here that is all it needs. Now finding a way of doing that is a job for a better paid man than me

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When I say argument I mean your debating position.

And as said above a great many are travelling here due to their having family already in the country, such as the first identified victim In last weeks drownings

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how did her husband get here? strange that he come without her.

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They are "resident" in France. If they are found in the channel, then they should be returned to where they are "resident", ie France.
If any are unaccompanied children, why aren't the French etc being brought to court for not helping them? If the French have no legal duty, then surely the UK doesn't either?
Those that have contacts in Germany, will head for Germany. Just as those with contacts in the UK will head for the UK.
Nothing is going to change until you start kicking out those "contacts". Those "contacts" perpetuate the notion that if they arrive, they will be allowed to stay.

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If resident then they’re free to leave that country as they see fit?


We don’t have any legal right to return those arriving to France, that’s just wishful thinking.

Stopping the gangs and allowing application from the country of origin need to be prioritised.

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I get the impression that some are still in denial about this, despite voting Brexit in 2016 which ended our right to return illegal migrants back to France.

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I don't have a passport, and even if I did, would I have a "right" to leave this country and go into another country of my choice? Or would I be returned to the country I had come from?
It wouldn't stop ANYBODY. They would STILL come. They still DO come. They are not picking countries at random. You wouldn't pay gangs to take you to "safety", but have to travel through several safe countries. You would take the cheapest option, which is the 1st country.

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That's why a few days ago I said it was deflection to blame the boat people, firstly there isn't that many compared to what other countries deal with and secondly working here is to easy for them, deal with that and then only the people with genuine reasons like family would want to come but that costs money so we won't bother.

Couldn't disagree more really, it's not emigration where you get to pick where you go to, these ill thought out knee jerk reactions just make things worse like when Merkel opened the doors of Europe to all and sundry because of that tragic photo, who iirc was the son of a people trafficker!

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ID cards may reduce people coming here on student visas etc then just disappearing off the radar. But that's costly and may not go down well in the UK.

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Well perhaps instead of trying to be all things to all people the government should be straight and ask people what they prefer, ID cards or immigrants, I'm guessing they'll go for the former seeing as we didn't much like white, Christians, brown Muslims are unlikely to fare better

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So exactly which country on this planet, could I and hundreds of thousands of my "own kind", suddenly turn up with no money, with an expectation to be given everything(housing etc), without anybody grumbling about it.:confused:

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It's sod all to do with Brexit - they were coming in droves even before that - and ID cards will simply give traffickers and forgers the chance to make even more money.

True we have no legal right to send them back under the 'Dublin' rule, but we can (apparently) return them by other means . . although probably not to France.

Do the French have a legal right to prevent refugees/migrants/asylum seekers from leaving the country?

Does Poland have a legal right to prevent refugees/migrants/asylum seekers from entering the country?

Have refugees/migrants/asylum seekers now become the new 'gypsies' with rules and regulations that give them rights and protection above the 'ordinary' citizen?

When will Dominic Cummings appear on 'I'm a celebrity get me out of here' and share even more revelations about Boris?

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I agree with you on that. They’ve managed to track down the gang responsible for the recent drownings, so it’s certainly possible. We need a lot more determination to track down and prosecute the rest.

As for the French, they seem to be making only half-hearted attempts to stop the migrants. We may as well save that £54m and use it to speed up deportations.

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Spot on.

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What is your "own kind"?

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‘They seem’ being the operative words here, how many have the French allowed to leave vs how many have been stopped by French authorities ?

Successive governments are going round in circles doing largely the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Iirc that’s the definition of insanity

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Correct, it’s not really France’s problem.

Any persons that land on the beach should be taken to an assessment facility where their claim to asylum can be heard and judged.

Those with a valid claim can stay.

Those that are Illegal immigrants should be deported back to their country of origin immediately, without right to appeal and not France.

They should not be allowed to leave said facility until their claim has been decided

Only when word gets out that the U.K. has a very strict admittance policy and only those with a valid claim of “asylum” can stay, or those that have followed a legal immigration route can stay. The chancers may take their chances elsewhere or end up back in Iraq or Syria or wherever.

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Why would you not allow an appeal?

A third of appeals are successful based on our own rules, and that's with over half of all claims being successful at the initial claim.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...fings/sn01403/

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So what you’re advocating is tweaking the existing policy? As in most cases I coming claimants are housed in reception centres and only moved out to other accommodation if a certain condition is met ( I can’t remember which one)

People (I don’t necessarily mean you) need to start dealing with facts & evidence rather than sensationalist media headlines

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Not spot on at all, had we been in the EU we would have had more of an opportunity to return to France.

As in a lot of things, Brexit is not helping.

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To speed up the process, and reduce any backlog. It doesn’t have to be in our gift to grant any appeal.

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Yes it is, Carth was right, wind your neck in, smart arse!

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Why burden France with them, send them back to their country of origin.

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No, he’s not, for the reasons specified. If you’re not able to have a reasonable debate then we will leave it there.

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Isn’t this done already ? Would you agree that the antagonism towards the French serves little to no purpose?

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No point debating it with you, as you seem to know it all.

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It’s very common knowledge.

Had we remained in the EU we would have had a greater opportunity to return people to France.

We’re no longer in the EU

We left the EU because of Brexit.

As I said, Brexit plays a part in the issue but is not wholly responsible for the issue.

I’m worried about you, if you keep on overreacting you’ll have an aneurism. Please don’t

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. Not enough and numbers of those returned has fallen steadily for 9 years Yes, we should deal with them ourselves swiftly and efficiently.

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That's where the problem lies . . proving their country of origin (and I don't mean France).

Basically, if you can't prove where they're from, and they refuse to tell you, you're stuck with them.

I'd shove em all onto those small islands up north of Scotland until their memory improved . . but that's just me, I'd never make a politician, far too honest ;)

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And treat humanely and with compassion until such time as the process is completed and a final decision reached.

It seems to me (correct me if I’m wrong) that your issue is with the U.K. infrastructure side of things ?

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Do we want to help fix the issue? Or do we just want to move the issue into someone other countries plate ?

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Not actually relevant is it.

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yes, it is, since it was part of your post - unless you are saying that part of your post is irrelevant?

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Hey, it aint my fault your beloved EU opened the floodgates with all the promises.

How's Poland doing mate?

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Do you want to compare ourselves to Poland in how we treat people ? That’s your justification?

You know my views on the EU, they’re not without significant issue.

Don’t try and turn this into cheap point scoring, you’re better than that

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Other than the sort coming here, what groups would be allowed to freely go to another country? Only certain demographics have that freedom.


The European Court of Human Rights has ruled, one more than one occasion, that extradition and deportation matters are administrative matters, and as such there is NO RIGHT to a fair hearing. No hearing, no appeals and so on.

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We're nothing like Poland, They're an EU country preventing asylum seekers entering (walking into) a country they were promised a warm welcome to.

The reality in 'our' situation is that asylum seekers have to cross dangerous waters to get here, and as has been discussed, we and the French can't legally stop them trying to kill themselves.

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That assumes our legal system has a 100% success rate on valid decisions. We don't, and nor does any other country in the world.

We have many miscarriages of justice for our own citizens, and if you start removing the rights of non-citizens to appeal a legal decision, then why shouldn't other countries do the same to UK citizens abroad?

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If being part of the EU was part of a solution, how come they did and still do, reach Calais in the first place? How many other EU countries did they pass through?

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Then I’m sorry , I’m missing the point in your reference to Poland ?

The reality in ‘our’ situation is that only a small amount of the total population of people who are attempting to get another country are coming to the U.K.

Our press are brilliant at blowing up the issue to make it seem as if we’re the worst affected. There are those in this country who will fall for that, hook line and sinker (apologies if that’s a bad turn of phrase considering recent events)

This is an issue that affects the whole of Europe and demands a coordinated response.

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As many as they liked, as is was their right ;)

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As the USA have found with their Mexico border, it's not a simple issue to stop people crossing one.

As for the the internal EU question, do you know many people travel from England to Scotland or England to Wales on a daily basis and vice versa?

Even with the best will in the world, land borders are not easy to seal.

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Because as I said we would have had more of an opportunity to return those arriving to France

Doesn’t matter how many EU countries they’ve been through those travelling don’t have to seek refuge in the first safe country. However, there are far far more people who have requested sanctuary in Germany, Spain & France.

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Easier than naval borders, unless your conscience allows you to leave people in the middle of the channel and hope they’re recovered by the French

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Channel migrants: France wants 'serious' talks with UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59454135

not a very good start then :rolleyes:

oh and:

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I will consider listening to the French when and only when they accept that they have actively helped immigrants leave by just standing by watching and escorting them into British waters and leaving there. They can point their finger and much as they want but 3 will always point back at them

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And if we were to take that attitude then we’ll make 0% progress on the issue

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You’re excelling yourself tonight, with and

and Dancing around what/who you mean, aren’t you?

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Yes, we can’t stop them coming. So when they get here we need to process them very quickly and return unsuccessful ones. So others get the message not to try it on chance as failure will result in you going back to square 1.

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I’m sure there’s many that do, ask Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe how her appeal’s going?

Besides, refusal of admission is not a mis-carriage of “Justice”, they’re not guilty of anything. They just haven’t proven their right to settle here.

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It's a case of several possibles, ie group comprised of A.N.Other. No specifics needed.

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They don't have an automatic "right" in the first place. Nothing to prove or disprove.

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https://c.tenor.com/9HQUxn9ZC_UAAAAd...rcia-brady.gif

Anyway, enjoy being with your "own kind"…

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That's why I said 'legal system' not 'justice system'.

The ability to appeal a legal decision extends past the justice system, because even then it is not 100% infallible. Just ask the Windrush generation.

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Hes spot on, as I said previously - stop making it attractive to come here.
There is clearly something fundamentally wrong when they all want to pass through France (and others European countries) just to get the the UK.

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Or, they have relatives here, or they speak English perhaps ?

Working illegally in the U.K. is nowhere near as easy as it used to be, and there are large fines dished out to employers who break these rules.

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One of the reasons for coming is our reputation for respect of law and human rights, so once the government removes the Human Rights legislation, criminalise any form of protest and have the ability to remove citizenship from many people born in the UK without notice, then it'll feel no different than their home countries, and won't be as much as a draw.

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Agreed.

And surely it's more cost-effective as those who are approved can then get into the job market and pay taxes etc whilst those aren't can hopefully be deported with less time needed to house and feed both categories of people.

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Being part of the EU meant we could return people to France and use the Europol database.

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Relatives that also sneaked in illegally ?
If they have valid relatives, how about they apply using proper processes.

Speaking English is not a valid reason to try and sneak into the UK.

You forgot this bit at the bottom though ;

Of course, there will always be people who make up excuses for them.

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You mean the one that requires people to apply online?

https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa/partner-spouse

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The current situation is that we have no practical options for people to claim asylum to the UK while they're outside the UK in their home country, and we'll try to deny asylum or refugee status for people coming to the UK if they've travelled through a 'safe' country which may be all EU countries.

Even where the government have said they'd establish a legal route to come straight to the UK - its not been done yet

The best way to legalise anything is to make the legal options more attractive than the illegal ones. We're not currently doing that in any meaningful way for asylum and refugees.

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Pick them up on the south coast, drive them to Dover and put them on the first ferry back to France hell pay the ferry fee it will still be massively cheaper then holding them here. Unless they come off a plane or ship from outside the EU we have no duty to take them in and we've taken too many as it is. Blair should face some consequence for his blind eye to unchecked immigration that he helped under his government to change the society of the UK.

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That would seem to be the process, yes.
So if youre outside the UK, you apply from outside the UK (pretty obvious really).
I believe the internet still works in France.

Its perfectly practical, europe has the internet you know.

Who is coming to the UK without passing through a safe country ?
Certainly none of those crossing the channel, since they start in France.
Seems we should try harder.

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But the argument is that if you're already in the EU, it's safe and we shouldn't let them come to the UK. So the application could be denied. Countries where they are not safe likely don't have a safe internet connection for them to make the application.

So by design it's either you can't apply online, or if you can then we'll probably say no anyway.
Yes, we should try harder to make it so that they don't need to travel through the EU in order to apply for UK asylum or refugee status. Glad you agree on that.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Dont try and be a smart arse, or I'll just delete it next time.

We should try harder to stop/deny them, you know very well that is what I was saying.

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That makes a great soundbite for the Media and human rights lot . . but I fear if we did that we'd be snowed under for years with applications from anyone, anywhere, and the long waiting list would still make some risk the boat trip.
There's also the potential that 'relaxed' or 'fast track' applications could mean the 'wrong uns' slip through the net too.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Meanwhile, editors at The Sunday Telegraph and The Spectator are having Bregrets.
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/...s-come-off-it/

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So let me understand what is being said here then.

We should make it too difficult to get to the UK and claim asylum here. We should also not set up any legal asylum routes to the UK anywhere other than online because it might take a lot of work.

But all other countries outside the UK should make sure we don't need to deal with any of it too, deal with the work that will entail that we don't want to do, and if they don't we'll blame them?

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

If we had a competent and confident government some benefits might be showing but we've got boris the buffoon and co who can't remember what real conservatism is and spend too much time placating woke prats.

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Yes Ben let's have a nice big open door because that always works so well.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

At what point have I suggested a 'nice big open door'?

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

You're like some of the others here, you read something then twist it because you didn't understand it.

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That's generally what "making it easier to get here" ends up being. We're full and our society has had no chance to stabilise or catch up on the extra infrastructure that's needed. The only thing happening right now with the amount of illegals getting in is gifting far right groups a boost in members not something that's good or positive for the country.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Explain to me then what I've got wrong?

I'm understand that we need to do something, but for me we should be establishing proper asylum and refugee routes to the UK from regions in the world where it's not safe for people and where we can give them hope and a better option.

Apparently we left the EU to be 'global Britain'. Part of that is being part of the global solution to why people are seeking asylum and refugee status.

Long term its working to make it so that the need for asylum and refugee status is reduced. In the short term its working with the rest of the world to take in those that we can help.

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How many is too many to take in?, where do they all go? and what communities are expected to tolerate them?.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

All valid questions, but ones that aren't being discussed properly as a good chunk of the debate is 'how do we stop it happening at all' and not 'how do we make it happen in way that we can manage successfully'.

If I understand these figures correctly (and always happy to be corrected if I haven't), our number of known refugee population is no greater than it was in the 1960s. We have half the refugees in the UK now than we did 20 years ago

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...alue_desc=true

There are many factors as to why the numbers have moved around over the last 60 odd years, but we're 30th in list for current refugee numbers and there are many countries in the world that take in more refuges per percentage of their population than we do, many of which have significantly less resources to support them than we do too - https://www.nrc.no/perspectives/2020...most-refugees/

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The number of illegals in the UK is in the millions even the home office has given up pretending they know exactly that's the problem. What's the attraction of the UK to so many it's that we are a weak country we bend to any and every group we demand the traditional British welcome, tolerate and adapt to newcomer's. They don't integrate, they don't adapt, they don't adopt our values and demand we tolerate their culture, religion and traditions even though they have no intention of reciprocating.

Make it mandatory to be fluent both verbally and written in English, assign their housing so they cannot group in large numbers, restrict healthcare for the first 10 years, issue temporary safety visas for refugees and actively crack down on the illegals already here no more pussy footing about in the communities harbouring them. Do that and watch the attractiveness of the UK rapidly decline but mainly stop asking people to welcome and tolerate newcomers until they deserve it.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

As of March 2020 the total inward migration to the UK for the previous year was 715,000

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...fings/sn06077/

Of that figure the number we offered asylum to was 20,339 people

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...est-statistics

Where we do have people here illegally, I would think that most of it is down to them being here initially via legal immigration routes e.g. visa overstays, and not via any asylum or refugee claims.



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That is plainly not true. Do you actually know anyone who has come to the UK from another country?

Most people who've come here that I've met and worked with over my life have taken active interest in their community - a lot of times more so than the 'native' residents including me.

Also - https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...nts-in-the-uk/

Already part of the non-refugee rules
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigrat...%20application.

Who are 'they' other than a xenophobic 'other', and why would should we do that for 'them' when we don't do it for 'us'?

Temporary immigrants already have an NHS surcharge. Immigrants who gain residency to the UK qualify the same as any other UK citizen.

That is the whole point of the asylum process that we should be doing today - allowing them to have legal visas and where possible a way to contribute to our country. Instead we stop them doing so.

I would hope we never end up in this country with that attitude again. Otherwise we risk going back to the colonial and racist attitudes of the past

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

‘Seen’ != true

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Expected to tolerate ? What are these people going to do to upset and/or annoy ?

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

I work with some fantastic individuals who have integrated and adapted since arriving in the UK but large numbers don't they enter the country and immediately locate to an established area and never progress. I've seen it in Birmingham, Bradford, Leicester and London and I've also seen how those communities expand when their numbers become too large for their original area.

What I meant by restricting healthcare is they cannot fly their relatives in long enough to get expensive treatment on the NHS something which is rampant in certain area's according to numerous NHS staff. As for not allowing them to group it isn't racist or xenophobic it's common sense if integration is truly the goal not allowing them to create and maintain essentially ghettos will encourage integration while giving communities an opportunity to establish a relationship.

Pretty sure if I was racist or xenophobic I would be saying stop all immigration which I haven't but good of you to invoke the default response oh and the longing for return to empire implication by the time I was born there was no empire and hadn't been for a while.