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Staying in the EU will be CATASTROPHIC for state and private pensions, expert warns

ONE of Britain's foremost pensions experts has warned that remaining in the EU will be catastrophic for both state and private pensions in the UK.


if the UK remains in the EU it could become liable for pensions in other countries such as Greece, Italy, Spain and France where the economies are failing and the countries are unable to meet their vast pensions obligations.

something to think about eventually every one retires, do you wan't to spend your last years in poverty ?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...xit-referendum


Cameron's migration deception: PM knew FOUR years ago he'd never meet immigration target while inside the EU, reveals former closest aide

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Yes, Cameron knew all about it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36582391

I quite believe it but whether he was lying or not, it was never a promise he was going to be able to meet as the net migration figures quite clearly show. He was either telling porkies or completely misunderstood the forces at work within Europe and either way it doesn't say much for him. I fear we're going to be stuck in an era of politics in which our leaders just lie through their teeth when it suits, knowing that by the time the truth becomes apparent, the votes will have been cast. Nice eh?...

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Not long left now before we find out that we won't be leaving.

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I hope you like Turkish food. :erm:

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No need to worry about that - David Beckham reckons we're all stronger facing the world's problems together so he's voting in. I'm just wonder who his 'we' is? From what I've seen, all he and Posh have done whilst acquiring so much more than they could ever need is to separate themselves from everyone apart, of course, from the elite they choose to mix and compare their vast trappings of success with. I look forward to the day when they and the rest of the great and the good who preach one thing yet do another actually put their 'money' where their mouths are but I won't be holding my breath.

It's always amazed me that more people don't seem to question why so many high profile people who talk the talk on tackling global poverty etc. spend so much of their time acquiring ever larger shares of the world's shrinking resources...

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The silent majority will win, and that is the remain side.

As in the GE the Left were the most in your face, dominating social media and shouting down debate and any that dare disagree with them.

The silent Centre right and right did their talking on polling day.

again as in the Scottish referendum the Nats dominated social media, stifled debate and shouting down anyone that disagreed with them.

The unionists did their talking on polling day.

and I predict the same on Thursday. Forget the Polls

Come Friday the UK will still be in the EU.

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I sent mine in 3 weeks ago and would still vote leave on Thursday despite what they call us. Why should we let them influence our vote? That's not democracy.

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And apart from his days at Manchester United, how much of their wealth goes back into the British economy? Just like the rest of them. Make their money and sod off to other countries to swell their economies.

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You're most likely depressingly right, I've suspected this for a fair while now. I'll still vote Leave on the day though, it's all I can do.

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I've been doing some more reading and watching.

I've gone from 60-40 in favour of Brexit to 50-50.

Had some knowledge bombs laid on me.

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A lot of rain is predicted for Thursday... It might keep the young voters away. :D

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Unless they're soluble in water, anyone put off voting on Thursday by rain shouldn't be allowed to vote.

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Keep the faith Techguy you just never know. Some Remain voters might get complacent and not turn up.

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We can but hope

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But this is the VERY IMPORTANT Mr Beckham, the one responsible for such gems as

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Ye Know! Can he say a sentence without saying ye know?

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lol. What really sticks in my throat is hugely wealthy people who're dedicated to getting richer and grabbing ever more of the trappings of success, lecturing the rest of us about tackling the world's problems, poverty, hunger , homelessness etc. I suspect they 'd always vote for the status quo which has served them so well and don't really like the prospect of significantly compromising their wealth or lifestyles in order to help the needy. They'd be quite happy seeing the rest of us paying the price however, well away, as we are, from all those luxury guarded/gated communities, public schools, private clubs, clinics etc.

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Please enlighten us?

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BBC News Channel:

David Cameron has been outside Downing Street making an impassioned plea for people to vote remain on Thursday.

A Seniour Tory on the Leave side has dismissed his plea as 'Weird' saying he's been rolled out by Spin Doctors because he's lost the economic argument.

This is leading up to a massive debate at Wembley Arena tonight on BBC 1 at 8pm. 6000 people are to attend the debate.

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I think Leave are in trouble if you are focusing on criticising David Beckham ..

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Why do you think that?

Unless you think David Beckhams political career and his involvement in European politics qualifies him to offer a unbiased informed opinion? Forgetting of course his home is in LA.

Some might say that the fact Remain are now relying on David Beckham shows panic from Remain?

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As I don't feel many of the UK population have much in common with DB and can relate to his priorities and his goals in life (pardon the pun) ..

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So why do you think Remain need him?

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Worth noting, if we do vote to leave we can still have an open border. But we will be able to control our own laws. But it will be up to the population of Britian, if they/we want an open border we will have one, if we don't then we won't.

I do agree though that if you're rich you will be better off if we remain ,if you're poor or on benefits then you'll be better of if we leave. The truth is the benefits budget stays the same, but the amount of people taking from the pot is getting bigger and bigger. Would be interesting to see why?

I was reading today about Scottish students suffering due to immigration. As Scotland has free university education, something England, Wales, Northern Ireland don't have.

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Whichever way the vote goes a huge swathe of the British public are about to have their wishes ignored. Yes, democracy and majority and all that but it can't be right for millions of people to be sidelined in the way that 3.8m Ukip voters were at the last election.

Nope, we're going to need 2 Governments; one for Leave and one for Remain. You become affiliated to the Government you vote for in the referendum. Treasury coffers get split and we then see who performs best.

Leave will not accept immigrants from Remain when the latter realise they will need to sustain a number of failing euro economies. Leave will be a sovereign state with British passports and sensibly managed borders; it will then do business with the rest of the World. Remain will do whatever the EU tell them to do; this will include learning to speak German; fast. They will eat snails, frogs legs and turkish delight. Leave will eat the food of champions produced by British farmers and by commonwealth friends from New Zealand, Australia etc.

President Beckham will run Remain; his first legislation will be compulsory tattoos for everyone. Her Maj will continue to head Leave as she doesn't like all those continentals anyway. Leave will be known as Great Britain, the envy of the World. Remain won't.

Be careful how you vote on Thursday :D.

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Care to share those bombs?

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He lives in West London

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Quite. Beckham's just another of the global haves who hitherto haven't really given a toss about the poor unless there was a PR opportunity attached in some form or other. What do you think would happen to some poor needy refugees who pitched up on one of his estates somewhere and ruined the lawns? Why anyone would pay any attention to his views on this, or any other matter other than football and pants, is beyond me but then some folks are a tad limited in their outlook.

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When did I say that? Maybe he was put up as a distraction to divert Leave's attention ..

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Well, it hasn't worked an I suspect it has back fired, he is just yet another multi millionaire telling the £7.20p an hour generation they will be better off if we stay in Europe.

But yet they never tell them why? Lets face it if the EU says it won't trade with the 75million people that live in the UK, I'm sure many others will. If VW don't want to sell to a huge potential market I'm sure Ford will step up production to fill demand.

Market forces and executive greed will ensure the UK gets what it wants, Infact I suspect with the removal of tariffs, a lot of goods will become cheaper.

If McDonalds refuse to sell us burgers due to us wanting to leave the EU then I'm sure Burger King will make the extra burgers for us to eat.

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Well Michael Heseltine has just confirmed, on LBC, that in his view the UK will have to join the Euro at some point as the EU continues to merge. He also played the old racist xenophobe card, labelling those concerned about migration. What sort of privileged world does Heseltine occupy? It isn't mine.

Whatever vetoes do or don't exist, a veto is only any use if our leaders are prepared to use it. Such is the drive towards a single state that I don't think there is that will amongst the main parties so the veto is worthless. Even Corbyn - a career EU hater - has mysteriously changed tack and that tells you all you need to know about what we're being lined up for if we stay in this dysfunctional club. Corbyn's spent his life telling us that Tories hate the working class yet he's telling people to vote with them on this in order to protect workers' rights... :spin:

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He said that a few weeks ago, but it received little publicity. Not a surprising comment given that he has attended at least one Bilderberg meeting.

Exactly.

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I've been saying since we opted out that it was only a temporary opt out. Eventually, if it does survive, we will have no choice but to join as we will have no choice to join Schengen eventually.

In the case of Cameron's so called reforms, the Ministers are in no position to promise anything. All it takes is one veto and that's scuppered.

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So how will we be forced to join if we have a veto? As you said yourself all it takes is one veto and that's scuppered!

J

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The same way we were taken from joining the EEC (a trade club) into the EU with its stated objective of becoming a single state'. Our leaders lied then, they've done it since and they'll do it again. Our govt. has the veto not us and they will do with it what suits them not us. They didn't even want us to have this referendum, it was only the rise of UKIP which finally secured it.

Cameron is lying about Turkey, claiming it won't happen whilst at the same time overseeing official policy designed to accelerate it. How weird is that?

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Prescient.......:(

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How things change eh? :rolleyes:

They tell us one thing and when the time suits do quite another and some folks still choose to believe these people now? What more will it take for them to see the deception? :spin:

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They'll see it once it's too late :(

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You can't leave it at that! :shocked:

Well people weren't listening to the 'experts' either who Leave have made clear they've 'had enough off'. Maybe Remain thought they would get people who aren't experts instead. Never mind though, Leave always have Keith Chegwin.

One of the complaints about the experts, other than their sinister approach to learning, is that they failed to predict the 2008 crash. Well, one of the few economists who did predict is is joining the other 90% of economists in saying bad idea.


Turkey isn't joining any time soon:

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Not joining any time soon isn't the same as NOT JOINING. ;)

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I fear you're correct. If they can't take a look around the EU today and see what's going on it makes you wonder what they're looking through. :shrug:

Young people voting to remain in the EU to protect jobs? Tell that to the unemployed in Spain, Greece, France, Italy, Portugal...

http://www.ibercampus.eu/european-un...-2016-3786.htm

Yup being in the EU is really helping them. :rolleyes:

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No but just because something might be possible in future doesn't mean it's likely. It's not impossible I'll win the lottery but I am not going to spend mortgage payments on lottery tickets. The Turkey issue is weak and even Boris conceded as much previously.

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Oh I see, uncertainty only matters on the leave side then eh? Turkey is currently being officially helped towards joining, how uncertain is that? Given the refugee crisis, you can bet the EU will find reasons to accelerate that help but of course they're not going to advertise that just yet because they want us to stay in don't they.

One the subject of 'likely', how likely is it that Cameron's pledge to cut net migration to the tens of thousands was utter BS intended to buy votes in the last election?

Cameron could have done something to end the uncertainty about Turkey by saying he'd veto any such move but even though his days are numbered and he has a tendency to tell porkies, he wouldn't even do that for fear of upsetting the EU agenda to see Turkey admitted.

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I'm surprised Leave didn't have a dig at the Scottish referendum after all they wanted to leave and it was stuff the English and everything they seem to be arguing for now.

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Remember people. take a pen when you vote OUT. otherwise they'll rub it out and change it to stay!

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I cannot wait until this referendum is over. Since Jo Cox death, I am now classed as a bigot, a racist and a xenophobe because I want to leave the EU. I don't see any rhetoric like that coming from vote leave people, only remain.
I tried to stay away from news but it is everywhere. I turn the TV on and there is a news segment about how the vote leave are lying. I log into Facebook and there I am, labelled as above. I mean I understand how important this vote is, but the level at which the insults have reached is beyond belief! If people are so passionate about their side, why do they result to throwing insults? Are they losing the argument? Is it a cheap shot to knock more leavers down?
At least I can say this forum does seem to resolve to name calling and insults.

Anyway, come next week it should hopefully calm down and we can all move forwards!

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The murder of Jo Cox is the latest in a thoroughly unpleasant and divisive referendum campaign and the way it's being manipulated by remain is disgusting, that said if people are that stupid to allow that one incident to sway their vote then they deserve whatever comes. This referendum was supposed to be a sign of our strong democracy and because of the political class in this country it's become an embarrassing farce doing who knows what damage to the uk internationally. I have long supported and believed we should get out of the EU but I wish now this referendum had never happened as whatever way the voting goes we have damaged our country with this farce.

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None of those things have happened,

if the government were going to force us into a single currency they have had plenty of opportunities so why haven't they done so before what's changed that they are suddenly going to do so.

Closer political ties and cooperation does not make a super state.

Distrust in the government and beleiving that they are going to act against the will of the people will not change with leaving the EU.

Whats to stop the government signing away our rights to border control I exchange for access to the single market if we did leave if they are so dishonest.

J

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If we want to remain in the EU, we will have to join the Euro, there is no veto involved in that. If we veto the European Super State we may as well leave the EU altogether. So why not get out now while we can? If you watched TV last night you'll know the five Presidents of the EU want a Super State by 2025and by that time, our new economy outside the EU will be well established.

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It doesn't matter when they join. The other 4 countries up for membership are a certainty to produce mass migration.

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Democracy went out the window the minute the EU became a Political Union as well as a trading Union. Vote Leave and Take Back Control.

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At least Boris admits he is lying:

EU referendum: Boris Johnson caught out by Alex Salmond after misquoting report he had never read

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I do wonder how people will feel if the UK votes to remain but the other EU leaders do not ratify the deal. This would mean we remain in the EU on exactly the same terms as we do now.

A lot is made of the veto but in some areas one does not apply and can we be certain that David Cameron will actually use it in line with our wishes when he needs to.

Similarly, if we vote to leave will David Cameron actually honour the wishes of the people?

I think the people who vote to remain will feel betrayed if it emerges that:-

a) we are still on track for political union
b) the EU is forming its own army
c) Turkey does have accelerated entry to the EU
d) EU courts still have the final say in our courts
e) the EU continues without self-reform
f) immigration continues at an unchecked rate

I suppose like all these things we will find out the truth once the UK has voted one way or another.

I also wonder what the reaction of the public will be when the truth finally emerges.

Roll on Friday morning!!

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Either way I am glad it's going to be over soon. It's been such a horrible campaign and surprisingly hateful.

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And sadly there are still some out there who are full of deep hate with threats to kill those who disagree with their views.:(

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...against-family

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I agree. Never have the public been asked to vote on the skimpiest of evidence from either side.

It comes down to how you perceive the people involved and how you perceive the EU.

The personal attacks and the involvement of Jo Cox's name should never have featured in either campaign.

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yes it has. scaremongering, threats of war,emergency punishment budget ,wages going down ,no more trade ,tax hike ,fuel hike and all this if we don't do as dave and gideon tell us to :(

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Of course that could be a hoax tweet designed to milk the tragic Jo Cox murder a bit more......;)

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Part of the Maastricht Treaty was that we didn't sign up for the Working Time Directives. Look how that turned out, we had it imposed on us by the backdoor using Health and Safety directives instead.

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It's the only reason we seem to get "concessions" "vetos"and "red lines" is when the EU meisters know they can force whatever it is on us another way. Just look how we had to cough up a bailout for Greece despite not being in the Euro.

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Lost count of the number of times Cameron referred to damaging/tanking our economy, hurting family finances etc. this morning on Radio 4 with John Humphrys. No matter what the question asked the same old script was repeated ad nauseam. Pretty pathetic scare tactics really. If they thought they could get away with saying the moon will suddenly collide with Earth as a result of Brexit they would do.

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Yet there are still those who believe all the clap trap about vetos, special treatment blah blah blah. If we stay in it's as certain the night follows day that whatever special status we have will be gradually eroded. Some people still don't get that the EU has always been heading in one direction and there's nothing we can do to stop it - the only thing we can do to avoid that is get out, there is no compromise. We either take this opportunity or resign ourselves to the slippery slope towards a single European state/single currency and rule by the Eurocrats in Brussels. Why anyone would want that I have no idea because at least we have the ability to get shot of our Govt. every few years. Try getting rid of those running the show in the EU...

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Yes, it's not like they don't have any previous is it. The tough talk and so called 'concessions' invariably don't last long. How much more evidence do some people need in order to see these people for what they are? :shrug:

Voting to erode the value/power of your vote is quite the most bizarre thing I can think of yet plenty of people are going to do just that. :spin:

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You cleverly omitted the word EVER.

The EU is committed to EVER closer union - it's their raison d'etre and I'm sorry but that does mean a super state - a single European state. Michael Heseltine confirmed it as recently as yesterday and even the EU doesn't seek to hide it. If you still don't believe that's not the plan then why has Cameron been telling us all he's negotiated our opt out from it?

No there's nothing to stop our govt. doing anything if they lie well enough and given the weasel words and lies we've been exposed to I wouldn't rule it out. At least however by not being part of the Brussels project we can remove our govt. when election time comes. Try getting 27 other nations (or even a majority thereof) to agree to doing something we want but they don't. The EU is set up in such a way that getting anything done takes years because, surprise, surprise, different nations have competing interests and very different views as to what's right for them. All that does is facilitate the status quo, it certainly does not facilitate reform or even a rapid response to a major migration crisis. Just look at how badly the EU has handled that! We've been trying to reform the EU for 40 years and look where that's got us...

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Sure it wasn't signed up to by the Blair government shortly after coming to power in 1997 and became law in 1998?

A quick Google points out that the UK was criticised and threatened with sanction for not implementing it fully but we were not compelled to implement it at all from what I can gather, voluntary choice by the government of the day.

My only real objection to this is that it's a government binding subsequent ones via the EU. Giving up the opt-out is, according to treaties, etc, irrevocable.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsVV3fpVNKI

Phil/Thunderf00t handing Sargon his hindmost throughout this. I rather like his style. The arguments Sargon is using are the same ones many on this side use.

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You are always gonna get that.

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That would be the working time directive that you can opt out of so you can work more than 48 hours per week if you want too.

J

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Yet there are still those who believe all the clap trap about vetos, special treatment blah blah blah. If we stay in it's as certain the night follows day that whatever special status we have will be gradually eroded. Some people still don't get that the EU has always been heading in one direction and there's nothing we can do to stop it - the only thing we can do to avoid that is get out, there is no compromise. We either take this opportunity or resign ourselves to the slippery slope towards a single European state/single currency and rule by the Eurocrats in Brussels. Why anyone would want that I have no idea because at least we have the ability to get shot of our Govt. every few years. Try getting rid of those running the show in the EU...

Indeed and what is more worrying is if we remain the EU can tear up that so-called agreement with Cameron. I believe it's discussed next month, how convenient, and it only takes one to say NO. We'll have gone through all this for nothing and came off worse.

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'When's he going to stop fibbing?' Brexit campaigner calls out PM over 'bullying' campaign

"He's got a track record of saying one thing, in the full knowledge that he can't or won't deliver. When's he going to stop fibbing to the British people?"

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/682...-David-Cameron

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Talk about 2 faced? Jeremy Corbyn one of the most anti-EU politicians ever is telling voters to vote to remain, BBC News Channel. I can't take what he says seriously any more. Anyone who can turn their coat like that isn't worth listening to.

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BREAKING: EU to hold talks with Turkey over Brussels membership NEXT WEEK

BRUSSELS bigwigs will open membership talks with Turkey NEXT WEEK, despite David Cameron promising voters a completion of a deal would be DECADES away in a bid to urge Britons to back a Remain vote.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...European-Union

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What he can't change his mind??

He perhaps now has a better knowledge of facts and realises the best option for the UK.

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What facts has Corbyn got now that he didn't have a few months ago and what's suddenly changed in the EU? :confused:

It seems to me that he has no confidence in his ability to be PM of a party who could introduce the sort of welfare and other protections (e.g. workplace) he ow claims are at risk if we get out of the EU. All that despite previously claiming the EU was bad for the working man for many, many years.

It's ironic that he'd place his trust in Eurocrats to now deliver the sort of change he says he wants rather than his own party. At least Labour can undo what the Tories do, they can't undo EU directives.

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No he hasn't. He has to do it cos it was the Party line before he took over and still is. Wake up!

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Hollande says opposed to 'new negotiations' over Britain's EU deal

French President Francois Hollande on Wednesday said there should be no further changes to proposed reforms to keep Britain in the EU when the plan is discussed at a summit in Brussels in two weeks.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/hollande-s...184509347.html

Ministers could use Brussels summit on same day as referendum to SWAY VOTES, MP warns

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...day-referendum

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‘EU is a ticking time bomb’ Britain faces economic MELTDOWN if we remain, researchers warn

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...erendum-brexit

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So can you really sit there and tell us that the EU is going to reform if we remain?

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Sorry but not all members of the party are voting remain, so he doesn't have to support it if he doesn't really believe in it.

I am sure Corbyn would be the last person to do or say something because he was told to!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35616946

Find out if your local MP is Remain or Leave.

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Correct me if I am wrong (I may be), but wasn't remaining in the EU Labour party policy when Corbyn took over the leadership?

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I did 332.5 hours last month, good job it was implemented via the back door or I'd have been screwed

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He's different he's the leader.

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Indeed it was and it wouldn't look good if the leader of the Party campaigned against the Party line. He has no choice and I bet he votes leave tomorrow in the privacy of the polling booth.

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How does that make him different. He is still an MP and still has a say.

He is listed on the BBC link I posted under MPs voting remain.

I very much doubt he would change his mind as he was 'told to'.

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Don't think we're gonna get any answers... ;)

Anyway it's nice to see Juncker proving how democratic the EU is by telling the UK what the EU will do if we leave. Is he really speaking on behalf of everyone else now?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36599300

Is this really who we want telling us what to do? I can't believe people would vote for more of this...

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This is interesting.

"evidence" that Jo Cox's murder is fake to get people to vote remain.

it's quite convincing too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ivR-i1hTU

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He said he'd prove it in 30 seconds. All he did in 30 seconds was prove he has no clue what he's on about.

I bet he uploaded that video from his parents' spare room while wearing nothing but underpants and a sweat-stained tee shirt. What a miserable excuse for a human being.

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Without reading it I'll say sick. Now I'll have a look It's very plausible indeed. I have to check that out but I always thought the blue lights had to be flashing at an emergency situation.

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They do.
I've just found out that Jo Cox's Birthday happens to be today. one day before the referendum.

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What's this he, you mean Gary, Gary posted it from his room in his parents house wearing nothing but stained pants and a sweaty tee shirt

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I've only watched the start, when he got the laser pointer out I had to switch of on general principle, I don't think there is such a rule, I'd have thought they have blue lights and horns to get to an emergency quicker more than anything

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Regarding the blue lights, it would depend on what they had been summoned there to do and whether they needed to shift at high speed to get there. They don't use their lights just to show they're answering a call. Lights and sirens are purely as a warning that a police car is moving at emergency speeds and other road users should give way.

In this case the suspect has already been detained by two unarmed officers and my guess is that other officers are attending to assist with securing the crime scene and begin interviewing neighbours.

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Have you any idea how much these tin foil hats cost ,you have to spoil everything don't you

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and Independence Day 2 is released tomorrow ..........spooky :rolleyes:

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The daftest reasons I've heard today about leaving the EU:

I'll only be able to bring back 200 fags and a litre of booze from my hols.

I like going to Spain for my holidays, we'd have to go to Cyprus instead.

They'd kick us out of Eurovision and the Euro footie!

The kids are learning French in school, what would be they be able to do with it after leaving the EU?

I've got loads of Euros left over from our last trip to Spain!

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I heard they'd chuck us out of the Eurovision Song Contest too... :D

Well this is it everyone. We were lied to more than once about the EU, promised a referendum by Bliar and then denied it. Finally it's happening and it's up to everyone to vote with their conscience tomorrow. One chance - we either take it now and determine out own fate or waste the opportunity to get out and accept we won't get another chance. That's the stark choice.

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we aint that lucky :(

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The French politician François Asselineau anticipated this would happen in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-6WkmxlfOY&t=0s

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Behave yourself.

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Any way big day tomorrow.

Looking forward to voting and staying in.

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Don't forget: 52.3% Remain :)

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Sequence of events.


16th Jo Cox Murdered
17th Jo Cox's Funeral
18th Court hearing in London (not Leeds)
20th Parliament recalled
22nd Jo Cox's Birthday
23rd Voting Day based on previous events.

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While I hope for a Leave win, I also predict Remain will win, however I think it will be narrower than that. I'm going for 51.5 / 48.5.

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Total BS. Sorry but there is NO WAY a murder would be faked.

Yet more nonsense from the tinfoil hat brigade.

The poor woman died, the killer in court and the family mourning. Just leave them in peace.

Some FACTS about immigration

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1466624809

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Leave had regained leads in a lot of polls today. They believe turnout will win it for them now.

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Just got the latest costs in for translator costs for Leeds Teaching Hospital for May....


Total Spend

1 May 2016 Total Spend
2
3
4 SERVICE COST
5 Interpreting £79,986.80
6 Interpreting - Non NHS £152.00
7 Interpreting - Non - LTHT £760.40
8 Translation £58.80
9 Telephone £1,802.74
10 Final Cost £82,760.74

Take it how you want but them costs LTH's imagine what they are for the whole of the UK and it will only get worse.

Infact on our ward they are employing staff that can talk certain languages so it cuts down on interpretation costs and they say immigration doesn't affect jobs.

We are out hopefully

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Yeah but that's clearly nothing to do with uncontrolled migration is it... :rolleyes:

That Unite leaflet above is tripe. How can anyone seriously claim that net migration of 1m every 3 years isn't adding to the housing crisis? If we can't build enough homes to suit the existing population, adding millions more sure ain't gonna help is it. I dare say they also believe that population increase in the UK is nothing to do with migration either. :rolleyes:

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Farage's final speech ahead of referendum.

Forward the video to 21:24

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That is true actually a large portion could be scottish/english translation costs. finding uncontrolled migration is about as likely as finding the lochness monster ;)

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Yes that'll be what it is. ;)

There is no migration issue and that's why nobody's worried about it unless they're a racist and a bigot... :rolleyes:

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By the way all of you who think Jo Cox faked her murder to win support for Remain need to take a look at youselves.

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Agreed but 'all' is a big word for not many sad nutters IMHO.

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Anybody thinking that obviously has a shortage of decent working brain cells.

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Agreed. he should use you and you should use me ;)

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There's more chance of me believing that than a lying and deceiving bunch of oinks.

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He makes the hairs on your back stand up when he speaks.

Dave just makes you ill when he speaks.

Independance Day!