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Happens to the best of them! :D

Welcome to the club Jose! :p:

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Oh what a final it's going to be :) good luck liverpool :tu:

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:erm: Peterborough is a Labour seat!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/html/456.stm

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Checked on Googlemap but cannot see if the ground is in the Peterborough constituency or Cambridgeshire North West ?

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Drogba? 24 Million? :confused: :confused:

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as its south of the river im not sure its in Peterborough so you may be right
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according to the BBC site the post code for the ground PE2 8AL is infact Cambridgeshire North West.

I stand corrected sir!!

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What links these years?

1991
1994
1995
1998
1999
2000
2001
2003
2005

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Good Stuff....

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Any clues ?

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Related to last night at Anfield.

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think we need abit more of a clue on this one

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I did try to find links but it was late and I was tired. One thing I did turn up, who the hell was Crvena Zvezda ????? I wasn't paying attention when they sneaked in.:)

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they used to be Red Star Belgrade but have since changed their name.. I have a copy of the team sheet from when Man U played them in 58 and that has Crvena Zvezda written on then so it seems they were always known as that just we called them something different.
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also this is from the UEFA rule book

At the request of the national association concerned, the UEFA Champions
League title-holders may be entered for this competition, as an additional
representative of that association, if they have not qualified for the UEFA
Champions League via the top domestic league championship. If, in such a
case, the title-holders come from an association entitled to enter four teams
for the UEFA Champions League, the fourth-placed club in the top domestic
league championship has to be entered for the UEFA Cup.

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1991 W
1994 W
1995 L
1998 W
1999 W
2000 L
2001 W
2003 L
2005 ?

Any better?

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I'm going to take a punt and say that the winner of the league also won the FA Cup?

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Is it that one of the teams in the final of the champions league did not qualify by winning their league?
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Nah its not that, Juve won the league in 2002.

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Getting closer, but still a way off. gazzae is thinking more in the correct 'continental' direction, there's a clue...

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How's this for a miss ?

http://www.sunecards.co.uk/greatest_ever_miss.wmv

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The FA has said that only the top 4 will get into the Champs league. Contradicts what they said last year..

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The page has been removed by the FA, here is the google cache of it...

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache...=en&lr=lang_en

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i posted the rules from the UEFA web site above..

the rules have been in place all season it's not fair to change them now.. blame UEFA for letting more clubs into the cup it should be the winner of the league and cup holders only

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Not a bad bit of business in the end

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yes not bad at all squeezing more money out of Lazio but its about time those funds were recieved....:erm: 4 years later....

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So Chelski have picked up the trophy.

Let the 'Jump on the Bandwagon' begin! :p:

Still great to see the trophy engraved the most by one team!!

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I'd rather Chelski won than the Gooners

Anyway

Nice early goal for Utd bu have to feel a bit sorry for WBA, goalie wasn't in any fit state to save it :erm:

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And the Swans get promoted to Division 1!! :D :clap:

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oh well a typical lax united finish and yes i didnt like the team selection that ferguson put out.

a draw was a fair result.

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up the boro , now just to finish 5th :shocked: :D :D

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That has been typical of Ferguson all season, we all thought he had learnt and he still does it, the end is nigh.........

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Not all season, he's always done it against the bottom teams, play a weakened side. :mad:

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now i wouldnt normally shout for arsenal , but , go on you gooners :D :D :D

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:knock: :knock: :knock: HOW DARE YOU !!!!!! :D :D :D

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only for one reason you understand , it gives the boro a chance of 5th in the league on the last game of the season ;) :D :D :D :D

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Dr Who bids to exterminate Glazer

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Right you are mate. 3-1 do you nicely?

Man U now have to beat Chelsea and Southampton while Arsenal lose to Everton and Birmingham to have a chance of finishing second (there's the small matter of a goal difference of twelve, too). Otherwise the 'World's Biggest Club' finish third for the third time in four years. And Arsenal have had their best post-Premiership title season ever, incidentally (the previous two we had 78 points, we have between 80 and 86 this year).

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too right , so it is down to the wire for the boro , they can finish anywhere from 5th to 9th , heres hopeing :D :D :D

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Plus you've got FA Cup runners up medals to look forward to :)

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*cough*

Manchester United have won the FA Cup the most times (ten), followed by Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur (eight).

Manchester United Eight Premiership titles in 12 years

Arsene Wenger claiming three Premiership titles

Nuff said :D :D :D

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Digging up ancient history won't help you now. The 90s are as passe as Geri Halliwell and Noel Gallagher. You're beginning to sound like all those bitter Liverpool fans we've seen crouched in the corner of pubs for the last fifteen years banging on about Ian Rush, Kenny Dalglish and winning European Cups in the 70s and 80s.

8 in 12 is great, but two years ago it was 8 in 10. Recent history is not on United's side, and digging up the past runs the risk of highlighting exactly how far standards have slipped.

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Nice trip to Trentside for them then :(:Yikes:

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Standards have NOT slipped. Other teams (noteably Arse and Chelsea) have raised their game, nothing more.

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Anyway, congratulations to Wigan for being promoted to the top flight for the first time :)

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i'd have to say standards have slipped.. our keepers aren't as good as they use to be.. our midfield is now getting too old and can't perform for a full season and players like Phil Neville, Fortune, O'Shea ( faultless in his first season but has got worse with each game since) just aren't good enough to even make our bench let alone start as many games as they do.. let alone starting Phil Neville, Fortune, Kleberson and Ronaldo all at the same time... who in midfield was supposed to keep the ball out of that 4 !!

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Can you, hand on heart, say that Manchester United 2004/5 is as good a team as Manchester United 1998/9? Howard is as good as Schmeichel? Keane '05 is as good as Keane '99? Not many United fans standing with you on that one, Russ. Also, considering you beat us twice this year and will still almost certainly finish behind us, it's evidently not the Arse raising standards that's the problem but getting beat by people like Portsmouth and Norwich, aka the flotsam at the bottom of the league. Arsenal took 12 points off those two, incidentally.

The other team's midfield?

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so what was the answer to this ?

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The teams are different, coupled with different/better opposition.

Van Nistelrooy better than Cole?

Naturally players will lose their edge as they get older but you're talking of the team as a whole, not individual players unless you're deliberately trying to move the goalposts (no pun intended!)

What, taken a vote have you?

You're not seriously trying to make a point there......are you??

So the biggest teams don't slip up to lower ones? Chelsea V Man City anyone?

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At least we won back to back titles and three titles in a row...something the Arse haven't even come close to completing! :D

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I have a feeling Chelsea might though :(
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10 May 2005
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Same yesman it's going to take a hell of a lot for other team to take the title
Off tham :)

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Ahem. Not quite. Just because you think football started with Sky TV doesn't mean we all do. Arsenal won the league in 1931, 1933, 1934, 1935 and 1938. That includes three in a row.

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haven't huddersfield done that as well.. i think :erm:

the nited squad we have now isn't as good as 99.. Ronaldo may be able to do loads of tricks but his basic delivery and end product isn't as good as Beckham's.. the midfield are now too old and can't perform over a full season.. the subs beanch and rest of squad also isn't as good would rather play the 99 team than what we have now i'm afraid.. sure one or 2 of the current squad,, Ruud Rooney are better than 99 but overall we are a poorer side.. also no one fears playing us any more thay all raise their game and beat us unlike before when we beat teams just by turning up

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I thought (to quote you) ' Digging up ancient history won't help you'?

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pWn3D!!one!one!!!!one!!!!! :D ;)

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:confused:

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The key bit, of course, is 'won't help you'. That was aimed at Marge, who was trying to argue that because United were great six years ago they're great now. There's nothing wrong with digging up ancient history per se, it was merely the use of it that I was pointing out wouldn't help the argument, in this particular instance.

On the other hand, I brought up Arsenal's 1930s record to correct Reddevil who thinks that Arsenal have never won three titles in a row. Since it's fairly undeniable that they did win three titles in a row, it's legitimate to refute that opinion.

Given that none of the 1930s Arsenal side are currently playing, and it was a completely different era, it would be rather odd of me to suggest that purely because Arsenal were great in the 1930s, they're great now (they're great for other reasons, of course). Likewise it's odd for a United fan to suggest that because they won 8 titles in 10 years and had a great team between 1993 and 2000 that proves they have a great team now. That's like saying that because Chelsea hadn't won the league since 1955 they were incapable of doing so.

Club history doesn't affect performance on the pitch, but the facts are there in the books, and there's no excuse to be ignorant of them, or think of them as a substitute for the currently slipping standards up in Manchester.

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You wish! Didn't Arse start off this season with some kind of unbeaten record? (ie We are unbeatable, we are unbeatable etc etc) Then United soundly beat them and Arse's season slowly went in decline (ie around about the time you stopped contributing to this thread). They had a resurgence and now find themselves second. Form comes in bits and pieces, United has been up and down all season just like the Arse's.

Slipping standards? When United drop out of the top 5 THEN you may have something vaguely resembling a point.

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That happens though. In the days when we were good enough to finish 3rd in the Premiership (94-95) and reach the quarter-finals of the UEFA Cup (95-96; Man U lost to Rotor Volgograd on away goals in the first round that year)- a finish which would be champions league now :( we actually managed to set a then-record of 25 PL games unbeaten :( we lost our next game 7-0 at Ewood Park, they beat us 5-1 at the City Ground and we lost 5-0 at Old Trafford at the end of the season (the equivalent fixture the previous season being a 2-1 Forest win; which was their only home reversal for two years).

Point being, normally going on a long unbeaten run seems to get a lot of games you should be losing but you normally draw- and when the luck runs out you do tend to lose a few. That's what's happened to Arsenal, whilst they had the momentum things worked for them but when they didn't have the unbeaten run the luck they were previously getting wasn't quite so forthcoming... I'm not sure about this but I think both Arsenal and Man U have had injury problems for much of the season as well- it's not an excuse but it's a mitigating factor if you can't play your best player for a while!

From a neutral's perspective, as for slipping standards I believe BBking has a point.
92-93 W
93-94 W + FAC
94-95 2nd
95-96 W + FAC
96-97 W
97-98 2nd
98-99 W + FAC + EC
99-00 W + FAC
00-01 W
01-02 3rd
02-03 W
03-04 3rd + FAC
04-05 looks to be 3rd and a chance of the FAC
Three third placed finishes in four years when the previous nine had yielded seven titles and two runners-up finishes.
Maybe not a drastic fall but looking at Chelsea's young side, endless pit of money and investment in the Academy it may be a sign of things to come. Especially as Arsenal will continue to be there or thereabouts whilst Wenger remains at the helm... and Benitez looks like making moves towards success at Anfield.
Will be interesting if nothing else.

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we didn't win the cup in 00.. we have never retained the trophy..

i'd have to say standards have slipped.. i was at the Blackburn game this season we it was the worst performance we have ever put in.. and then we followed that up with more dire rubbish.. the 99 Fergie would never have allowed a performance like that.. the team wouldn't have performed like that or they would be sold,, Stam for instance,, and we have a better squad.. finishing 3rd twice in a row isn't good enough and if the other teams had been any better then we would prob finish even lower.. apart from G. Neville, Keono and Heinze no one else has put in any effort this season and that includes Fergie

i can't see it getting any better next season either unless we spend big on the midfield over the summer

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Not sure if you meant to do so but you've just backed up my point. Chelsea have an almost unlimited supply of money (and I don't for one moment believe Kenyon when he said the spending stops now) and their team is the best at the momentas will the Chelsea of tomorrow, considering their academy. Arsenal have raised their game and I still think Henry is one of the top 3 strikers in the UK if not europe. So they have improved as have Liverpool, Everton and others. The only top team to not make such advances is United.

So no, our standards have not slipped. Other teams have improved.

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Note to Nemesis, don't forget our small wager about tonights match ;)

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Stand corrected but my comment was aimed at the Premiership years.

Also add to the matter that in those years a fair few FA Cups were also won and a European Cup.

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Aww man this is getting painful :(

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You should have said. How's your unbeaten home run going?

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It ended tonight :(

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Absolutely abysmal, outplayed in every area of the pitch.

Ferguson has to be twitching surely ?

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Some disgusting finishing. Hope SAF enjoys the 05/06 season seeing as it'll be his last as manager.

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Fergie out any one ? Man Shted still the better team ? I think not!!! Liverpool > Chelsea > Man Shted ;)

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TigaSefi, when do you start school ?

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they keep rejecting me ;)

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:D

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I suppose it depends how you look at is. From a purely neutral perspective again, and casting my evident disdain for Ms aside, TBH, I feel that ManU have slipped and the other two have improved... well, not Arsenal really, they've not really spent big have they?

The present Man U team is nowhere near fit to lace the boots of their counterparts from 4-5 years ago. Apart from the players who have stayed, I can't see an obvious improvement.
GK is still a problem position, I honestly feel SAF struck lucky with Peter Schmeichel bearing in mind his predecessors and the awful faff he's had replacing him (Taibi, Howard, Carroll, Bosnich, etc etc) and there's no evidence of a young successor (that said, we've released Barry Roche this week lol).
Defence- I still can't see why Stam was sold. Good as he is Rio is a different type of player and not especially what you need. Heinze and the various young DFs you've had, good as they are, aren't the same either. I honestly feel you've missed the physical presence of Stam... and Laurent Blanc... :rolleyes:
As for midfield... Ronaldo's a decent player but again, he's no Beckham- another stupid decision. As for Veron... :rolleyes:
Forward is the only area I'd consider comparability. Rooney, Saha, Smith, van Nistelrooy, is as good a front four as Sheringham (former NFFC player ;)), Solksj*er (grr), Cole and Yorke...

You're definitely not as good as you are... but only now when Arsenal seem to have some self-discipline and some real attacking impetus, and Chelsea have stumbled across an affluent backer, has it become apparent.

And you have a local derby to look forward to with teh Dave Whelan empire next season :LOL:

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hmm u don't need to spend big money to improve a lot. Look at everton.

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What about Luke Steele?

Heinze has been the best left back in the league this season.

Blanc was never meant to play the number of games he did. When he was brought Mr Injury Prone was ready for the first team and Blanc was meant to be a kind of mentor, but Mr Injury Prone got injuried and Blanc had to play a lot more games in his place.

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I'd have to agree with NFFC, we aren't as good as before.

It's like last night, Chelsea were comfortable after we scored. We just did not look like we could score again.

Midfield needs to gutted and rebuilt, as Keane only has a couple of years left and we don't have a replacement in the wings. :(

Ronaldo still has a lot to learn. :(

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Remember today when you watch the football the 56 lives lost at the Bradford stadium fire

Bradford stadium fire 20th Anniversary

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Quite right, sir_d-a-l - except it was 56 people who died. A shameful incident - we've come a long way since then, thankfully.

From the MEN:
Sic transit gloria mundi.

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What did you hope to acheive by posting a report which rightly stated United had a bad game?

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We will be back.

Nota bene !

(Not sure when though) :p:

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Probably before us the rate we're going at. :(

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Who me? I merely posted a report stating that large numbers of loyal United fans had snuck out before the lap of honour by the players at the last home game of the season. Frankly, it surprised me and I was wondering if anyone had any comment?

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Well, okay, this is a rumour from someone who went last night, but apparently it was a protest towards Glazer.

True or not, I don't know :shrug:

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Ah ok - thought it had been called off, but if it was a protest, no problem. Bit harsh on the players though.

I'm in rather a magnanimous mood. What a way to celebrate the last game in red and white at Highbury.

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Chris Blumer, my co-presenter is NOT happy at the moment.

He's an Everton supporter...

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was it 7-0? just woke up, did Everton not turn up?

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I bet he is thay just got beat in to a ground my Arsenal

Arsenal 7-0 Everton

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2005/05/4.gif

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was what 7-0 :disturbd: :disturbd: :disturbd: :disturbd:

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7-0 flatters Everton to be honest, they were awful. Arsenal, playing that like, without pressure on them, are fantastic to watch. I do hope they give Bergkamp a new contract, he is superb!

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To be fair, Moyles apprently left out many of his star players.

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Well, reading their teamsheet, it doesn't appear that he has, apart maybe from Cahill:

Everton: Wright, Hibbert, Weir, Yobo, Pistone, Carsley, McFadden, Watson, Arteta (Ferguson 75), Kilbane, Beattie (Bent 45). Subs Not Used: Stubbs, Plessis, Turner.

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Everton have star players?

Well, Tim Cahill was out, I suppose.

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Should have known better than to listen to an Everton supporter :D

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7 -Nil. Not bad, but you know who has a better record in the Premiership. :D

Man U 9 -Ipswich 0 1995
Newcastle 8- Sheff Wed 0 1999
Forest 1-Man U 8 1999
Blackburn 7-Forest 0 1995
Man U 7-Barnsley 0 1997
Arsenal 7-Everton 0 2005

Good to see Forest doing their bit eh.:p:

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All credit to Arsenal, that was some amazing football!

What time did Everton kick off at last night?

About every 10 minutes!


Anyone seen my coat?

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I'm not surprised they got hammered, letting a DJ pick the team (they'd have been better off with Comedy Dave surely) :p:

Was David Moyes ill or something :disturbd: :D

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Let's see where those teams ended the season:

Ipswich 1994/95 - Bottom
Sheff Wed 1999/2000 - Second bottom
Forest 1998/99 - Bottom
Forest 1995/96 - 9th
Barnsley 1997/98 - Second bottom
Everton 2004/5 - 4th

So most of them were total pants - only Blackburn's achievement in 1995 (which was on the 18th November against the side finishing third the previous year, and Forest were several places above Blackburn at the time) beats last night to my mind. Sorry for bringing up painful memories, nffc.

Shearer 20,57,68, Bohinen 28,76, Newell 82, La Saux 89 were the scorers.

United fans might enjoy the fact that they won 4-1 at home to Southampton that day, while Arsenal lost 2-1 at Spurs. Bother. Our scorer was a certain D. Bergkamp, though.

United's were Giggsx2, Scholes and Cole.

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And bang went our 25-game unbeaten run. Which IIRC included a 7-1 win at Hillsborough and winning 2-1 at Old Trafford (maybe that was before).

We were in Europe that season as well, QFs against Bayern Munich (the real Munich)...

For a side finishing 9th we got thrashed a lot. 7-0, 5-1 v Blackburn, 5-0 at Old Trafford (we should have won the game at home 1-0 but ref gave a dodgy pen), and 5-1 in the home leg of the UEFA cup QF. Ouch. We were relegated the season after.

That's not painful but seeing as that was only 10 years in the past makes now more unbearable seeing as it's going to be 2 years minimum before we'll be in the top flight if ever. :(

Oh and Sheff W 1-7 Forest should be on there seeing as it's only one off the record away win in the PL. None of them are as bad as Ipswich 6-0 Forest from this season though.

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News coming in of Glazer getting 56.9% of Man Utd shares by buying out the Irish gents. U is 0wn3d!!!

Ahem. Back to grown up talk.

This should be fun to watch.

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http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...181626,00.html :td:

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:LOL: :tu:

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What are the chances there'll be a contract on his head before the year is out....

edit: :eek:

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*stifles his laughter at Manchester United*