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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36079562)

If it's true I hope he and the public aren't allowed to forget the casual disregard he has for them, I keep hearing we aren't interested in the racketeering currently masquerading as governance so I wonder if we'll be as keen to forgive him this

What happens on 21st June will be interesting.

As well as treating India differently from Bangladesh and Pakistan despite a worse outbreak, the government gave everyone four day's notice and did not implement the ban immediately. One bad decision may be successfully pushed back on but two decisions are harder.

I have a feeling that IF restrictions aren't eased, there's going to be a hell of a lot of people who simply don't bother following the rules anymore.

Any rules.

Always been a good idea not to keep animals in cages, turns them nasty eventually.

Anarchy in the UK ;)

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36079577)

I have a feeling that IF restrictions aren't eased, there's going to be a hell of a lot of people who simply don't bother following the rules any more.

Any rules.

Always been a good idea not to keep animals in cages, turns them nasty eventually.

Anarchy in the UK ;)

People haven't followed the rules since the start.

I still see Covidiots wearing masks under the nose, despite the tanoy announcements every 5 minutes (This includes staff).

The biggest mistake made was to give people the power of exemption without any proof needed nor allow staff to challenge because these Covidiots can cry discrimination.

They should have simply said no mask no entry no excuses no exemptions.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36079582)

They should have simply said no mask no entry no excuses no exemptions.

but then that discriminates against those with a legit reason

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36079577)

I have a feeling that IF restrictions aren't eased, there's going to be a hell of a lot of people who simply don't bother following the rules anymore.

Any rules.

Always been a good idea not to keep animals in cages, turns them nasty eventually.

Anarchy in the UK ;)

This is the feeling in my family, after 21 June we are done with restrictions enough is enough.

Same here. The media keeps emphasising the fact that the Indian variant increases the infection rate, but they conveniently ignore the fact that most of the population of this country have been inoculated. The vast majority of those who haven’t are not even in the ‘at risk’ groups.

If people continue to be taken in by the apocalyptic headlines without taking account of the reality, they will never argue for their freedom back.

The virus is now under control and there is no reason to postpone the termination of restrictions on 21 June. The data speaks for itself, and that’s what people should be looking at. The number of hospital admissions due to Covid remains flat, and while that continues, there is no cause for alarm.

So who's going out for an Indian tomorrow? ;)

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36079593)

Same here. The media keeps emphasising the fact that the Indian variant increases the infection rate, but they conveniently ignore the fact that most of the population of this country have been inoculated. The vast majority of those who haven’t are not even in the ‘at risk’ groups.

If people continue to be taken in by the apocalyptic headlines without taking account of the reality, they will never argue for their freedom back.

The virus is now under control and there is no reason to postpone the termination of restrictions on 21 June. The data speaks for itself, and that’s what people should be looking at. The number of hospital admissions due to Covid remains flat, and while that continues, there is no cause for alarm.

is there an echo in here?

You, in September last year…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...s#post36050275

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36050275)

Hospital admissions remain very low. The virus passing through the younger generation is to be welcomed as this will not generate a lot of increased deaths. We do need to protect those who are vulnerable though.

What is worrying is the increased number of cases in care homes. We still need to step up there.

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Nice to see you almost admitting that herd immunity is the only practical way of defeating this virus apart from your 'lockdown for as long as its necessary' solution.

The easing of restrictions is having the inevitable consequence, which we are already detecting amongst young people. Where this ends, I agree, depends on the extent to which herd immunity has now been achieved.

Also in September (you may wish to give up on predictions…)

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36048805)

Well, the number of hospital admissions remains low as well. I agree that once in hospital with Covid, they are better able to treat you than before, but that's not impacting significantly on the low number of deaths as the fact remains that less patients are actually being treated in hospital.

We may not get that second wave, or if we do, it may well be minor compared to what Spain and France are experiencing. Presumably, given what was said about the first peak, that's because the virus had done its worst already. Those who locked down earlier are now reaping the cost of that with this second wave.

This is why it is far too early to criticise the government for the later lockdown. All some other EU countries have done is to prolong the agony. We may yet see other countries overtaking us in terms of the number Covid deaths. Also bear in mind that each country compiles its figures in a different way. That needs ironing out as well before we start agonising over whether this country got it right.

---------- Post added at 13:46 ---------- Previous post was at 13:42 ----------

The medical establishment is not always right! Just keep an eye on the important numbers, which tell you all you need to know. I would have thought that if we were getting a substantial second wave, we'd know about it by now.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1621162296

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36079594)

So who's going out for an Indian tomorrow? ;)

It used to be skinheads many years ago, no idea who does it now :p:

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36079582)

People haven't followed the rules since the start.

I still see Covidiots wearing masks under the nose, despite the tanoy announcements every 5 minutes (This includes staff).

The biggest mistake made was to give people the power of exemption without any proof needed nor allow staff to challenge because these Covidiots can cry discrimination.

They should have simply said no mask no entry no excuses no exemptions.

You should have added some, to the bit in bold. Lots of people have followed the rules.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36079597)

is there an echo in here?

You, in September last year…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...s#post36050275

Also in September (you may wish to give up on predictions…)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1621162296

Yes, but what changed everything was the Kent variant, remember? Although the Kent variant was known at the time, it was not appreciated that it had such a high infection rate. That was why the government had no choice other than change tack.

What is different this time is that the vaccine has now been rolled out to the most vulnerable age groups and to those who are clinically vulnerable due to their state of health. So although the Indian variant may infect more people, the vaccine will prevent serious illness and hospitalisation in the vast majority of cases.

The only action the government needs to take is to step up the vaccination programme so that any increased risks for younger people are addressed, which of course is what they are now doing. According to today’s Telegraph, the stepping up of the vaccination programme could result in up to a million people a day receiving the jab.

There is not a case for extending the restrictions as things stand.

So, what you are saying, is that things got worse because of an unknown factor at the time?

And now this new unknown factor has come into play, things won't get worse?

OK, then...

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36079626)

So, what you are saying, is that things got worse because of an unknown factor at the time?

And now this new unknown factor has come into play, things won't get worse?

OK, then...

I’m saying that the vaccination programme has enabled us to reach a better place.

Do you really believe that predictions are made having regard to unknown factors? If that was the case we’d never do anything for fear of what might conceivably happen. Hell, we’d never want to go outside if that were the case, let alone cross the road!

Hang on here, if predictions aren't made having regard to unknown factors why are there so many words like 'if, maybe could, possibly' used in all of them?

Could we see a bolt-down in Bolton? Sensible to rule nothing out.

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COVID-19: Local lockdowns can't be ruled out to curb spread of Indian variant in places like Bolton and Blackburn - Hancock

The health secretary tells Sky News he won't "rule out further action" as the India variant becomes dominant in some parts.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has not ruled out imposing local lockdown restrictions in places worst affected by the Indian variant of coronavirus.

With a higher transmissibility than the Kent variant - which drove the UK's deadly second wave - there are fears the Indian variant could derail England's final roadmap step of lifting all restrictions on 21 June.

There have so far been more than 1,300 cases of the Indian variant found in the UK, with Mr Hancock warning it is "becoming the dominant strain" in places such as Bolton and Blackburn.

https://news.sky.com/story/hancock-d...riant-12307876