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I don't think this has all been choreographed perfectly but talk of deploying the Royal Navy and the deadline finishing after the Sunday papers had all gone to press and were being read all look well timed.

Fishing looks more like the length of the transition period, enabling all to adapt.

In terms of how the UK will regulate itself post-Brexit, I don't see the UK going down the light-touch regulation route. I don't think it's imposing on the UK's sovereignty if a mechanism is set up that ended a free trade deal if the UK or EU did introduce legislation that made either a significant light-regulatory touch competitor. A free trade agreement is a privilege between two trading blocs or countries, it's not a right and surely such deals are always reviewed anyway.

I believe a deal will be struck.

I and everybody else on the planet, must have missed when this opportunity to negotiate new terms for EU membership happened.
Prior to the Lisbon Treaty there wasn't any mechanism for leaving the EU.
The EU isn't suggesting future renegotiation on fishing and level playing field, just that we have to do as France and Germany say.

1andrew1

13-12-2020 14:38

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36062195)

I and everybody else on the planet, must have missed when this opportunity to negotiate new terms for EU membership happened.

Irrelevant as I'm talking about the current negotiations. We've left the EU. But I'm sure Margaret Thatcher would disagree with you negotiating new terms.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36062195)

Prior to the Lisbon Treaty there wasn't any mechanism for leaving the EU.

Bit of a random fact! We've left the EU.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36062195)

The EU isn't suggesting future renegotiation on fishing and level playing field, just that we have to do as France and Germany say.

I didn't say the EU was suggesting future renegotiation on fishing.
The negotiations are around the mechanism which would trigger the end of a free-trade deal if either side sought to undercut the other.
Where is your source for saying that have to do as France and Germany say?

nomadking

13-12-2020 14:52

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36062197)

Irrelevant as I'm talking about the current negotiations. We've left the EU. But I'm sure Margaret Thatcher would disagree with you negotiating new terms.

Bit of a random fact! We've left the EU.

I didn't say the EU was suggesting future renegotiation on fishing.
The negotiations are around the mechanism which would trigger the end of a free-trade deal if either side sought to undercut the other.
Where is your source for saying that have to do as France and Germany say?

A review of a deal, means you have to agree for it to continue, otherwise it simply ends.

David Cameron tried to get amendments, what happened? Nothing.
Where have the EU said that the EU will take control of UK waters, but will return control at some point in the future?
Where have the EU said that the UK will have any sort of say on new "level playing field" rules the EU will impose on the UK?

1andrew1

13-12-2020 15:05

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36062198)

Deals can remain as is.
David Cameron did get changes as did Margaret Thatcher. The Brexit press were not particularly kind to David Cameron though. But we've left the EU, this is not 2016. So we all need to move on.
As for your other points, asking people to constantly disprove your heavily-loaded and uncited questions is outside my available time but I commend Sky News as a good source. ;)

Pierre

13-12-2020 15:37

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36062161)

Don't worry mate, I've got all my fine wines and cheeses

French, no doubt.

Mr K	13-12-2020 17:01

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36062202)

French, no doubt.

Quite a few of them yes, along with some of our best. Good to have a choice at a reasonable price I find, that may not be the case in our brave new future.

pip08456

13-12-2020 17:30

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36062206)

Quite a few of them yes, along with some of our best. Good to have a choice at a reasonable price I find, that may not be the case in our brave new future.

There's always Australian wines.

heero_yuy

13-12-2020 17:50

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36062211)

There's always Australian wines.

Infinitely better than the French rubbish.

Battery acid, fizzy dry battery acid and then the contents of a pub ashtray

Mr K	13-12-2020 18:34

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36062211)

There's always Australian wines.

Oh I've tried wine from every country ;) Good and bad everywhere. Definitely a fan of NZ Sauvignon Blancs. We do some good sparking wines, but have yet to taste decent British red wine.

Don't think antipodean cheese travels too well though...

pip08456

13-12-2020 18:48

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36062213)

Whats wrong with English cheeses?

Mr K	13-12-2020 19:27

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36062215)

Whats wrong with English cheeses?

Nothing, I love my wensleydale, a but also like camembert.

Guess you're more of a Dairylea fan ? ;)

pip08456

13-12-2020 19:56

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36062219)

Nothing, I love my wensleydale, a but also like camembert.

Guess you're more of a Dairylea fan ? ;)

Idiotic profiling as usual.

1andrew1

13-12-2020 22:36

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EU and UK still ‘far apart’ but Brexit deal hopes rise

People briefed on the negotiations said the two sides were inching forward in their discussions on how to design a mechanism that would preserve a “level playing field” between the two sides’ companies even as EU and UK rules in areas such as environmental law potentially diverge over the years to come.

Brussels has pushed the idea of a system that would allow either side to request consultations and ultimately introduce tariffs if it was concerned its companies were being put at a competitive disadvantage.

The UK rejected previous iterations of the idea as an affront to sovereignty, but over the weekend modifications were discussed in a bid to address its concerns. The talks have covered issues such as a role for arbitration and the criteria for establishing when there is economic harm.

https://www.ft.com/content/6a6d5960-...a-ee583b314ee3

Mr K	13-12-2020 22:44

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A deal is coming thank goodness. Just a matter of how Boris can sell it to the No Deal fanatics.

1andrew1

13-12-2020 23:11

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36062228)

A deal is coming thank goodness. Just a matter of how Boris can sell it to the No Deal fanatics.

Exactly. They just want to punish the EU as they resent once being part of it...even if such actions harm the UK more!

But I'm hopeful that commonsense will prevail.

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