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People like you and Charles Mason of Cluny Lace (below) need to stop being so negative. Believe in Brexit more and the benefits will flow!
https://www.ft.com/content/7d2fa6d1-...f-b2c63b301f1c

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I’m having a hard time trying to be sympathetic with this case. For a start, where’s the concern with the CO2 footprint he’s generating, sending consignments of his own product to France to get dyed and then transporting it back again? Is there literally nowhere anywhere closer to Derbyshire that could do it?

For seconds, Brexit having been on the cards from the date of the referendum in 2016 and having actually occurred 3 years ago, it’s not as if the likelihood of this happening was unknown. I find it difficult to believe someone who has fought so hard to build and maintain his business was suddenly blindsided by the possibility of import/export tariffs …

… especially when, third, he is so hyper-aware of his industry’s flight to the far east and purports to be taking a stand against it. I find his logic somewhat confusing here. Either he thinks the offshoring of industry is a good thing or a bad thing. Or is it only bad when other people do it? Because it looks to me very much as if he wants to off-shore bits of his business whenever it’s convenient.

In reality, sovereign governments use tariff barriers deliberately to discourage the behaviour this business wished to continue post Brexit. That was entirely foreseeable, and is entirely how regaining control of import/export flows is supposed to work. It sounds very much to me as if an awful lot of special pleading has gone on here, and it has spent a lot of time in court or some other appeals process, and the business has just lost. If the writer of the letter really did bet the entire farm on a different outcome then more fool him.

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He was aware of the potential difficulties from Brexit but it seems to be a very specialised trade with little expertise in the UK

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In 1974 something of the reverse was true, as UK-based sugar refiners relied mostly on cane imported from commonwealth countries (Tate & Lyle were the biggest but not the only). European tariffs on cane imports are designed to protect beet producers located predominantly in northern continental Europe (and mainly the Netherlands).

In terms of its effect on the economy as a whole, the tariffs that hit our domestic sugar production back then were vastly greater than those now affecting what is, as you say, a niche product like French lace made in Derbyshire. It sounds to me as if that business would have become unviable several decades ago had we not entered the Common Market when we did.

Thank you, however, for (eventually) providing some necessary context for a very niche reader’s letter than you earlier seemed to be offering as a far broader comment on our post-Brexit tariff regime.

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I'm struggling to understand why the lace attracts duty when we have a free trade deal with the EU.

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Predictions can always be challenged as they've not happened yet.

However, things that have happened like the slump in exports are harder to refute.

https://www.ft.com/content/fd35fe46-...2-8d33226dca0d

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Someone just said Ireland's GDP per person is now twice that of the UK, this can't be right, we were told Ireland would be screwed if we got a bad deal...

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Ireland is fine as in EU UK on orherhand is not and NI set for lot more US investment because they in the EU single market


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2318528.html

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Oh was it only if we got no deal they'd be screwed, bet they're relieved we got one then, imagine what it'd be like for them without one :spin:

Perhaps my memory is fuzzy, I'm riddled with virus after all, I do seem to remember blunder truss saying only three men and a turnip would be effected in Ireland which is ironic as our own "king of turnips" has shut up shop because he can't get anyone to pick them, speaking of turnips who was the brexit bellend on C4 this morning blaming corperation tax for astra zenica opening their new plant in poland?

Remainer polemic you say, yes in that I'm in complete favour of us remaining out of the EU, what don't you like, being reminded of your mate deadwood and his chums comments?

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Blunder woman :D

TheDaddy is right to highlight that he was lied to. Unfortunately, these tactics are now proven to work and Labour are copying them in, as we have seen with the slogans about Sunak.

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Ireland’s GDP is skewed because it has been running almost like a tax haven to attract large multinationals to set up offices there. Even Eurostat has been known to exclude Ireland when setting out comparative figures.

Ireland’s central bank has published helpful research on how best to understand the country’s economy.

https://www.centralbank.ie/docs/defa...-in-europe.pdf

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British leg of the Orient Express killed. Who dunnit? Hard Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2...-border-delays