Cable Forum - Brexit (Old)

TM doesn’t know how to negotiate and they are taking full advantage of that. I can’t blame them for doing that, but when they pile on the nasty stuff, and particularly pretend that they must protect theGF when what they really want is to keep us trapped so that we can’t compete with them properly, then we shouldn’t have too much more to do with them.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35975359)

Grow up. You want to leave the EU entirely, you pay the fee the other people do.

While that’s ultimately true, what you lot don’t do is accept how nasty they are.

Damien

14-12-2018 12:41

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975364)

While that’s ultimately true, what you lot don’t do is accept how nasty they are.

What is actually nasty about it?

We are leaving 'entirely' under this assumption which makes us no different to the United States or Hong Kong to the EU who have to go though the same process with the same fee: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/eti...ies-need-etias

So what's 'nasty' about them treating as the same as everybody else?

This is what leaving the EU is. You don't get to leave, have no deal, but have special treatment.

https://news.sky.com/story/revealed-...rexit-11580454

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The EU has already begun to implement the system which preauthorises the entry of citizens from a special list of countries, who do not require full visas.

"Once ETIAS enters into operation, all visa-exempt non-EU nationals who plan to travel to the Schengen area will have to apply via ETIAS," a European Commission source told Sky News.

1andrew1

14-12-2018 13:03

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35975367)

This is what leaving the EU is. You don't get to leave, have no deal, but have special treatment.

Exactly. Otherwise, you're a Schrödinger's Brexiter - wanting to leave the EU and its institutions entirely whilst at the same time keeping all the benefits of membership. Aka, BoJo's infamous cake-and-eat-it speech.

Damien

14-12-2018 13:07

Re: Brexit

I personally don't think it will actually happen. I think we'll come to some arrangement that maintains the travel circumstances we have now, maybe even let us use the EU passport control.

jfman

14-12-2018 13:14

Re: Brexit

“Brussels Bureaucrats introduce small administrative charge to facilitiate Visa free travel from non-Member States”

Don’t see that being a surprise to anyone somehow.

“Nasty Europeans have audacity to charge us - in EUROS!”

Might make the Daily Mail I suppose.

ianch99

14-12-2018 14:26

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975363)

Well, since we don’t want Freedom of Movement, there will be additional administration required to check travellers, which will cost - just like the USA ESTA.

No nastiness, just pragmatic capitalism.

Update - in fact, it’s just like the ESTA.

From April this year...

https://euobserver.com/justice/141705

So the nice EU is giving us a discounted price then? The USA charges around 12 euro (equivalent) ..

Carth

14-12-2018 16:03

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975375)

Made me chuckle :D

oh, and the price of a London pint in order to travel to the EU is nothing to get upset about, comes as no surprise to me either :Yes:

papa smurf

14-12-2018 16:04

Re: Brexit

EU explained:

enjoy

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...nion-explained

pip08456

14-12-2018 17:09

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35975389)

EU explained:

enjoy

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...nion-explained

I thought this one was better.

Stuart

14-12-2018 17:26

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35974982)

More bollocks. Brexiteers cannot be blamed when they have not been steering the ship. :rolleyes:

Raab, Davis, Gove, Johnson.. All Brexiters. All are, or have been in a position to influence the negotiations, therefore arguably steering the ship.

So, yes, they can be blamed.

Mr K	14-12-2018 17:35

Re: Brexit

Personally, I think it's all getting rather 'nebulous'... ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/12/6.jpg

Hugh	14-12-2018 17:43

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35975399)

Raab, Davis, Gove, Johnson.. All Brexiters. All are, or have been in a position to influence the negotiations, therefore arguably steering the ship.

So, yes, they can be blamed.

You forgot Gove, Grayling, McVey, Leadsom, Mordaunt, Javid, Hunt, Williamson, Hancock, Truss - all in the Cabinet, all pro-Brexit.

Mick	14-12-2018 17:49

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35975399)

Raab, Davis, Gove, Johnson.. All Brexiters. All are, or have been in a position to influence the negotiations, therefore arguably steering the ship.

So, yes, they can be blamed.

Stop talking bollocks Stuart - No they cannot. I repeat, the Remainers in government and civil service are totally to blame and nothing YOU say, changes that!!! :dozey:

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975403)

You forgot Gove, Grayling, McVey, Leadsom, Mordaunt, Javid, Hunt, Williamson, Hancock, Truss - all in the Cabinet, all pro-Brexit.

Or you! :dozey: :rolleyes:

Mr K	14-12-2018 18:01

Re: Brexit

The ship is rudderless anyway, no one's steering, everyone is in the lifeboats.

Don't worry Jezza will come to the rescue :)

Damien

14-12-2018 18:13

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975404)

Well it’s just their opinion on it as the idea they’re not is yours. My opinion is they were part of cabinet, part of government, people who campaigned for it and in some cases involved with the process so they share some blame.

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