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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Just found this on the VM newsgroups....
have just been contacted by a Virgin media rep on my mobile - whilst out shopping so not particularly convenient - he confirmed that Virgin Media would soon be implementing Phorm (no date given). When I asked if it was to be opt-in or opt out - he said everybody would be automatically opted in and he didn't think there was a way to opt out. He also professed no knowledge of the recent statement from the Information Commissioners office. No time for a long discussion as I was in the supermarket - but does anyone have any comments? |
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I was assured by NB's office that the BBC were wrong with their recent tech report but VM didn't bother to correct them. Now this - has something changed? |
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Of course, it could just be people telling porkies. Without any verifiable evidence, it does not mean a lot, unfortunately. When I go through their e-mail complaints system, I always state that they may not contact me by 'phone. You always see the guff about calls being recorded. Does this mean we can record them? ------- "Calls may be recorded for training purposes". Can I take that as a statement? i.e. if I'm training myself to be careful in my communications, it's ok to record the call? |
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I hope you don’t mind but I passed on your posting to virginmedia.feedback and asked that if it had been changed, then when. Alex Brown replied as follows: Approved the change on Thursday, so it was likely rolled out on > Friday. > Alex > -- > > Alex Brown > Senior Product Manager > Product Management, Virgin Media So yes it is a recent change – thanks for spotting it. --John |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pi...il/084640.html
" Phorm and the Computer Misuse Act... Nicholas Bohm ukcrypto at chiark.greenend.org.uk Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:39:13 +0100 Previous message: Phorm and the Computer Misuse Act... Next message: Phorm and the Computer Misuse Act... Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Biggins wrote: > Ah,... yes. Provided of course that the system was opt-in. FIPR and the ICO agree that only an opt-in can provide the requisite consent under the Privacy and Electronic Communications (EC Directive) Regulations 2003, and I don't think the Home Office has suggested otherwise. (See http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032426.htm for PECR.) I doubt if Phorm is happy about this, although no doubt putting a brave face on it; but I doubt if the ISPs will feel they can ignore it. They may not yet have taken on board the clear distinction drawn in PECR between a subscriber and a user, and may be thinking they can make do with a deemed consent derived from a change to contract terms. But a deemed consent of this kind isn't the real consent required under PECR; nor can a subscriber's consent amount to consent by another user unless the subscriber has first got that other user's consent. So there are challenges ahead for ISPs even if an opt-in business model works. > If on the other hand it was opt-out, which seems to be Phorm's > preference, would that affect the issue of apparent consent? So far, > only Carphone Warehouse seem to have made any explicit commitment to > making it opt-in. Failing to opt-out isn't giving consent; but what a prosecutor or a jury would make of it under the CMA isn't easy to be sure about. Nicholas -- Salkyns, Great Canfield, Takeley, Bishop's Stortford CM22 6SX, UK Phone 01279 870285 (+44 1279 870285) Mobile 07715 419728 (+44 7715 419728) PGP public key ID: 0x899DD7FF. Fingerprint: 5248 1320 B42E 84FC 1E8B A9E6 0912 AE66 899D D7FF >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ukcrypto-admin@chiark.greenend.org.uk >> [mailto:ukcrypto-admin@chiark.greenend.org.uk] On Behalf Of >> Nicholas Bohm >> Sent: 24 April 2008 12:44 >> To: ukcrypto@chiark.greenend.org.uk >> Subject: Re: Phorm and the Computer Misuse Act... >> >> The main obstacle to a CMA prosecution would be apparent user >> consent, depending on the adequacy of the information given >> to the user as the basis for the consent. >> >> Nicholas |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
I may have missed this on here - but there's an interesting point been made on the BT forums:
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Opting out for websites Following exchange of a number of emails with Emma Sanderson at bt.com I was invited to send her a list of the websites I wished to have excluded. I have just sent her the following reply: Emma, I have given your message some considerable thought. 1. I wish my websites to be excluded from profiling by Phorm or any similar organisation used by any ISP - it is therefore pointless just providing BT with URLs as this will not achieve the desired result. 2. The URLs of my websites will not be staying the same - I already have planned one sub-domain change. I am not prepared to have to notify any number of organisations every time a change is made. 3. I am not a BT user. If you were to place my website on a list of opted out websites I would have no way of verifying that this had been done and that it was effective. Likewise I would have no way of verifying a similar opt out for any other ISP utilising a similar system. I would also need to periodically check that the opt out was still effective - I am not prepared to do this. 4. I have placed a notice on the home page of my main website - it is your problem to determine how you will implement systems to observe the conditions of that notice. I will be placing similar notices on my other websites. 5. I will be adding client side code to my website which will detect illegally added or modified cookies. As a minimum this will alert the end user that this has happened and that they have a problem - it will also suggest that their ISP is the most likely cause. I will therefore not be providing you with a list of URLs to be excluded. ---------- Post added at 09:26 ---------- Previous post was at 09:22 ---------- Ha, I wonder if the stress of the current situation prompted this? Quote:
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Someone else to write to (on Richard Clayton's recommendation):
Ed Richards Chief Executive Officer OFCOM Riverside House 2a Southwark Bridge Road London SE1 9HA A sample letter is at: http://www.inphormationdesk.org/Samp...y_Giraffe).pdf linked from http://www.inphormationdesk.org/sampleletters.htm |
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I wonder if this Lords proposal could help stop Phorm, we know they "claim" that they don't get private info, but AOL claimed the same. I'm thinking it could be used against the ISP's.
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I had another reply from my MP the other day after I asked him about signing the EDM. He says he can't sign it because EDM's are for backbenchers (which I didn't know) but he will continue to raise his concerns and says "especially as I'm a PPS in BERR, the relevant department" which is a positive thing.
I know what BERR is (The Department for Business, Enterprise & Regulatory Reform) but what does PPS stand for? ---------- Post added at 11:19 ---------- Previous post was at 11:17 ---------- I have noticed that the amount of posts has reduced recently but that's not such a bad thing as having read all of this thread and just about everything else related to Phorm it infiltrated a dream the other night :mad:. And Alexander is partly to blame (sort of). In short I was trying in vain to to tell this guy some facts but he just kept on talking rubbish and I just couldn't get through to him. This guy was a shady character - one of those dodgy auction guys where they won't let you film :erm: - and he was wearing a trilby (like Alexander's spy guy) with Phorm on the front (like a seaside hat) do you get the picture? Not a pleasant dream. |
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Wikipedia: Parliamentary Private Secretary
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Ok just posted a rant on ISPreview to the news of BT trying to work without cookies, worrying since the cookies is what will help us know who is compromised on our websites.. Then had a PM from a member about it which made me laugh so going to copy and paste my reply here... Quote:
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I thinks that's the case anyway, I touched on it when I was reading up on the Computer Misuse Act which has amendments to Section 3 as a result of Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill which cover similarly "reckless" behaviour. Alexander Hanff |
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BT Seeking to Drop Phorm Cookies
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See also: BT to Test Phorm, Search for Cookie Alternatives Well! Wow! This will really shake things up. Another BIG nail in Phorms coffin me thinks. Ali :D |
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