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1andrew1 11-12-2020 21:52
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What I'd like to know is what is the UK's post-Brexit plan. If we get back all these so-called sovereign rights, what do we propose to do with them?

If we knew this, I'm sure Brexit might get more buy-in. It seems like there is no plan and without a plan, it's hard to negotiate effectively.

jfman 11-12-2020 22:10
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36061985)
What I'd like to know is what is the UK's post-Brexit plan. If we get back all these so-called sovereign rights, what do we propose to do with them?

If we knew this, I'm sure Brexit might get more buy-in. It seems like there is no plan and without a plan, it's hard to negotiate effectively.
Just spat my drink over my laptop, thanks.

TheDaddy 12-12-2020 00:38
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36061912)
Why? The issue is the regulations and directives that the EU can impose. NATO can't do that. Why do some of you Remainers take such a daft line?
I was just giving a throw away example of how we manage concensus politics and mutually agreed decision making without a murmur of dissent from the public, even when it's being used to send their childrem to war. Odd that you chose that part of the post to reply to, any one would think you didn't want to take any responsibility for the misery many are about to endure

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36061917)
1. There isn't going to be a Scottish referendum next year.
2. Even if there were, and it voted for Scoxit, the present debacle gives a clue how much longer it might take to unpick a 300 year old union.
What does that matter if it's the will of the people

1andrew1 12-12-2020 00:46
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36061962)
Now you have got me conflicted ;)
Another conflict is that no deal will reduce the UK's greenhouse gases. We'll have a smaller manufacturing base and thanks to a weaker Pound, we will be taking fewer foreign holidays. ;)

jfman 12-12-2020 00:47
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There won't be a Scottish referendum next year - it's impossible to deliver one in 2021 even if the SNP win a landslide in the Scottish Parliament elections.

I'm sure the glorious Brexit will demonstrate to the people of Scotland just how easy it is to deliver success against all odds in such negotiations.

Mad Max 12-12-2020 00:54
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36062003)
I was just giving a throw away example of how we manage concensus politics and mutually agreed decision making without a murmur of dissent from the public, even when it's being used to send their childrem to war. Odd that you chose that part of the post to reply to, any one would think you didn't want to take any responsibility for the misery many are about to endure



What does that matter if it's the will of the people

Such drama....:rolleyes:

Sephiroth 12-12-2020 17:29
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If the EU was such an honourable institution, they would immediately re-offer the Canada Deal. Other matters would then fall into place.

The Canada Deal does not seek full quota free access so we wouldn't need be required to remain in step with EU regulations.

Of course, that won't happen because the EU wants us to be locked into their system as a matter of punishment.

In default, therefore, the PM must not back down in any way regarding the no-deal status and the gun-boats should definitely enforce our territorial integrity.

As for the perfidious Irish government, I think they'll have problems as this starts to bite on them.

The whinging Remainers might retort that we'll suffer too as imports upon which they think we depend will either become more expensive or difficult to obtain. Well, the price of freedom and independence is not cheap.

Mr K 12-12-2020 17:34
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36062059)
If the EU was such an honourable institution, they would immediately re-offer the Canada Deal. Other matters would then fall into place.

The Canada Deal does not seek full quota free access so we wouldn't need be required to remain in step with EU regulations.

Of course, that won't happen because the EU wants us to be locked into their system as a matter of punishment.

In default, therefore, the PM must not back down in any way regarding the no-deal status and the gun-boats should definitely enforce our territorial integrity.

As for the perfidious Irish government, I think they'll have problems as this starts to bite on them.

The whinging Remainers might retort that we'll suffer too as imports upon which they think we depend will either become more expensive or difficult to obtain. Well, the price of freedom and independence is not cheap.
Why should they offer us anything?

Leave means leave surely? Our choice. What were we expecting?

Just need to get on with it, and deal with all the stuff Project Fear said would happen.

Enjoy.

1andrew1 12-12-2020 17:42
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36062059)

The whinging Remainers might retort that we'll suffer too as imports upon which they think we depend will either become more expensive or difficult to obtain. Well, the price of freedom and independence is not cheap.
Sounds like Project Fear to me, Seph. Weren't we promised that food would be cheaper?
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FOOD prices will tumble after Brexit making supermarket shopping more affordable for millions, families were promised last night. Economists said consumers would immediately feel the benefit with expensive tariffs scrapped on a host of non-EU products like cheese, beef, fruit and coffee – cutting the cost of a basket of groceries.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...arming-ecomony

papa smurf 12-12-2020 18:25
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36062061)
Sounds like Project Fear to me, Seph. Weren't we promised that food would be cheaper?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...arming-ecomony
Won't be long now till all you can afford is the cheapest food :)








Fish

nomadking 12-12-2020 19:40
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36062061)
Sounds like Project Fear to me, Seph. Weren't we promised that food would be cheaper?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...arming-ecomony
The thing about tariffs is the the WTO rules only specify a maximum and that whatever it is should be the same for everybody. We could set a zero tariff for product type X, as long as we do that for the whole world outside of any existing tariff arrangements with other countries.
Eg we could have zero or low tariffs on New Zealand lamb, as long as lamb from any other country also has the same tariffs applied.
Eg Japan has zero tariffs on sheep meat imports.

1andrew1 12-12-2020 20:26
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36062075)
The thing about tariffs is the the WTO rules only specify a maximum and that whatever it is should be the same for everybody. We could set a zero tariff for product type X, as long as we do that for the whole world outside of any existing tariff arrangements with other countries.
Eg we could have zero or low tariffs on New Zealand lamb, as long as lamb from any other country also has the same tariffs applied.
Eg Japan has zero tariffs on sheep meat imports.
If we try and export lamb to the EU with no deal, it will face a 48% tax. Sheep-farming will surely be wiped out by no-deal, won't it?
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Sheep farmers are staring down the barrel of crippling 48% No Deal tariffs on British lamb ‘that will kill the industry’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-industry.html

Mr K 12-12-2020 20:29
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36062086)
If we try and export lamb to the EU with no deal, it will face a 48% tax. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-industry.html
Yes, there are a few farmers regretting their votes. We will of course now need to subsidise livestock farmers, at great expense to the tax payer.

Meanwhile the NHS can go swing for their £350million a week.

nomadking 12-12-2020 21:00
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36062086)
If we try and export lamb to the EU with no deal, it will face a 48% tax. Sheep-farming will surely be wiped out by no-deal, won't it?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-industry.html
What's that got to do with your reference to food not being cheaper?
IE
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36062061)
Sounds like Project Fear to me, Seph. Weren't we promised that food would be cheaper?

Pierre 12-12-2020 21:08
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36062060)
Why should they offer us anything?
Because we buy loads of stuff from them, and they buy loads of stuff from us and ( chinks in the armour have shown). They fish in our seas.

That’s why


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