Cable Forum - Britain outside the EU

The only person I know that USED to have one went back to gas for this very reason . Looking at my regularly used routes , there is not a hope in hell of me getting one anytime soon , no matter how much I am nagged. :erm:

Damien

22-03-2023 12:53

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Looks like the DUP, ERG, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss will vote against Sunak's deal. As usual nothing to help, nothing constructive, just egoistic politicians looking to grandstand.

It'll pass anyway even if there is a sizable Tory rebellion because Labour will vote for it but really frustrating.

Hugh	22-03-2023 13:14

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36148603)

Looks like the DUP, ERG, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss will vote against Sunak's deal. As usual nothing to help, nothing constructive, just egoistic politicians looking to grandstand.

It'll pass anyway even if there is a sizable Tory rebellion because Labour will vote for it but really frustrating.

I wonder if they’ll lose the Tory Whip?

Meanwhile…

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Johnson risks being remembered as 'pound shop Nigel Farage' over Brexit rebellion, warns minister

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...eland-12839897

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Boris Johnson risks being remembered as a "pound shop Nigel Farage" if he votes against Rishi Sunak's new deal for Northern Ireland, a senior Brexiteer has warned.

1andrew1

22-03-2023 13:50

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36148603)

DUP are doing it to stop Sinn Fein taking it power.
ERG are doing it because they can't accept that there are always trade-offs and that you can have your cake and eat it. They're the crowd who still believe in unicorns and that the EU needs us more than we need them.
Johnson and Truss are just jealous that a vaguely competent PM was able to get a better deal in a month than they could ever get during their stays in power.
The above all just show themselves up for the idiots that they are. Hopefully the country will speak at the next election.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36148605)

I wonder if they’ll lose the Tory Whip?

It's not a free vote is it?

TheDaddy

22-03-2023 14:21

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Enjoyed Peter Kyle demolishing John Redwood culminating with there are many people who should be contributing to this debate, he (deadwood) isn't one of them :rofl:

Sephiroth

22-03-2023 14:41

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36148613)

Enjoyed Peter Kyle demolishing John Redwood culminating with there are many people who should be contributing to this debate, he (deadwood) isn't one of them :rofl:

Missed that. On an aeroplane to Singapore.

Damien

22-03-2023 16:18

Re: Britain outside the EU

It passed but with the rebel Tories and abstentions, it looks like it did depend on Labour votes, a bit awkward for Suank but shows he has to deal with a basket case of a party.

Sephiroth

23-03-2023 01:44

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My position with this is that we have crept forward a few millimetres and a 10cm scale. Better than before but still not there. I would have voted for but would have spoken with some resentment that we’d got into this position in the first place. I would not have agreed to sign the Protocol and if that meant walking away from a deal (and withdrawal payments), so be it.

1andrew1

23-03-2023 09:02

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148639)

My position with this is that we have crept forward a few millimetres and a 10cm scale. Better than before but still not there. I would have voted for but would have spoken with some resentment that we’d got into this position in the first place. I would not have agreed to sign the Protocol and if that meant walking away from a deal (and withdrawal payments), so be it.

Good man. A shame your local MP did not solicit your advices.

Sephiroth

23-03-2023 10:06

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36148640)

Good man. A shame your local MP did not solicit your advices.

He and I are totally on the same page. But I’m not a senior Tory MP whose activities in the House are coloured by many considerations.

1andrew1

23-03-2023 10:37

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148644)

He and I are totally on the same page. But I’m not a senior Tory MP whose activities in the House are coloured by many considerations.

You might be on the same page but he's reading the no book and you're reading the yes book.

What considerations are clouding his judgment?

Sephiroth

23-03-2023 10:44

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36148646)

You might be on the same page but he's reading the no book and you're reading the yes book.

What considerations are clouding his judgment?

But my heart is in the NO camp.

1andrew1

23-03-2023 11:31

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148650)

But my heart is in the NO camp.

The thing is your brain's in the yes camp. :)

Sephiroth

23-03-2023 22:48

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36148654)

The thing is your brain's in the yes camp. :)

That’s because they’ve introduced a Green Lane. The customs documentation is the same but that should be easy for M&S etc. to automate.

The Stormont Brake is the fun bit. Legal wars to be expected over its applicability, plus Stormont won’t convene so only the UK can exercise that rifgjt on NI’s behalf.

NI is truly in the EU’s clutches and that is Boris’ fault for which he deserves having his nainonicles removed.

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