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Chris 11-11-2019 13:02
Re: Election 2019, Week 1
 
Columnist/Blairite Dan Hodges (Glenda Jackson’s offspring) tweets that the Brexit Party at a general election is an outlet for Labour voters who would never bring themselves to vote Tory anyway.

The numbers involved are small. The biggest risk to the Tories was in marginals they need to hold - there are plenty of natural Tories who will go Lib Dem. This might be more of a help to BoJo than it first seems.

denphone 11-11-2019 13:05
Re: Election 2019, Week 1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36016815)
most north hate Boris Johnson with a passion he wont win many at all up here but I as said lots of times we got worst choice in british history this election
Thats a understatement as l have never known such a worse bunch of political party leaders in my lifetime.

mrmistoffelees 11-11-2019 13:27
Re: Election 2019, Week 1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36016815)
most north hate Boris Johnson with a passion he wont win many at all up here but I as said lots of times we got worst choice in british history this election
He won't, but i think the Brexit party will make significant inroads in areas such as Hartlepool,Middlesbrough & possibly Sunderland.

Hartlepool i'm fairly sure will return the Brexit party candidate as their MP.

nomadking 11-11-2019 13:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36016801)
A reports been done, but blocked by Boris till after the election. Wonder why?
https://time.com/5717670/uk-russian-...rexit-delayed/
The statement and the question still stand. Support for Brexit has been around for a very long time, and how has this alleged interference meant to have manifested itself enough for anybody to notice.


Was it anything like Soros giving £3m to Remain?

Mick 11-11-2019 13:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36016815)
most north hate Boris Johnson with a passion he wont win many at all up here but I as said lots of times we got worst choice in british history this election
They hate Corbyn more.

Hugh 11-11-2019 13:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36016808)
Latest update from Election Maps:
He makes some interesting points.

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/s...67427777597441

Quote:
Replying to
@ElectionMapsUK
This will probably harm the Liberal Democrats more than Labour, as it was the Lib Dems who looked like they could gain the most GE2017 Conservative seats.
Election Maps UK
@ElectionMapsUK
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1h
This shouldn't have to happen, but we have a completely awful voting system. There are people who would never vote Tory but might have voted BXP, now they might not vote at all.
Election Maps UK
@ElectionMapsUK
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1h
The ball is now in Swinson & Corbyns court. They *could* still stop a large Conservative majority by forming a pact in some seats but it looks like both sides may be too stubborn to do so.

This is election just got a whole lot crazier.

jfman 11-11-2019 14:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36016776)
1) the commitment was for a particular specification.
2) The specification couldn't be defined because of the sabotaging of Parliament by Labour and the Remainers. All activity had to used to try and stop that sabotage.
3) For the past few years, around 150,000 homes/year have been built.
4) since 2010, the social sector building has been more than any year of the previous Labour government.
Link
Link
Just a few more examples in this link.

Link
They're all examples of active support.


Consider this, if Labour's spending had been such that they they left a deficit of zero, would the post-2010 government have added to the debt? The post-2010 deficit went down by a total of £600bn from the 2009/2010 borrowing level. That's an indication of how much extra, continuing with the full level of Labour's spending would have added.
The wreath laying was clearly a misunderstanding. Saying people in armed struggle are brave isn't the same as supporting them.

You're just on the wrong side of the argument.

denphone 11-11-2019 14:02
Re: Election 2019, Week 1
 
Prof Sir John Curtice in an interview on the World at One.

About 17 minutes into it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000b4qm

Hugh 11-11-2019 14:11
Re: Election 2019, Week 1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nashville (Post 36016796)
After watching the remembering service from Albert Hall on Saturday night and remembering service on Sunday, How can anyone try to break up Britain. The SNP should be ashamed of themselves,
Not just the SNP...

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...about-northern
Quote:
Britons are more interested in getting their way on Brexit than preserving Northern Ireland’s place within the UK

Northern Ireland tends to be far from the mind of the average mainland Brit. When it does gain public attention, it’s often for the wrong reasons. In recent years fate has made it a prominent part of the Brexit saga.

Now new YouGov polling exposes the extent of the weaknesses in the link between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.

When asked how much they care about what happens in Northern Ireland, four in ten mainland Brits (41%) say they don’t care very much or at all.
50% of Leave voters and 45% of Conservative voters (polled) wouldn’t be bothered either way if Northern Ireland left the UK.

nashville 11-11-2019 16:11
Re: Election 2019, Week 1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36016815)
most north hate Boris Johnson with a passion he wont win many at all up here but I as said lots of times we got worst choice in british history this election
I have never voted Conservitive but I would vote them to keep SNP out, We really need to vote tactfully in Scotland,

denphone 11-11-2019 16:20
Re: Election 2019, Week 1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nashville (Post 36016843)
I have never voted Conservitive but I would vote them to keep SNP out, We really need to vote tactfully in Scotland,
The thing is with tactical voting is how much will people vote tactically in this election as this is one of the big unpredictables in this forthcoming general election in my view.

Dave42 11-11-2019 16:21
Re: Election 2019, Week 1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nashville (Post 36016843)
I have never voted Conservitive but I would vote them to keep SNP out, We really need to vote tactfully in Scotland,
tories will lose all there seats in Scotland

Chris 11-11-2019 16:28
Re: Election 2019, Week 1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36016847)
tories will lose all there seats in Scotland
This is unlikely. It depends exactly how votes are concentrated but on present polling the prediction is that they keep around 6 or 7 seats of the 13 they held after 2017.

Don’t underestimate the extent to which Scottish electoral politics is beginning to resemble Northern Ireland. The Tories made big gains in Scotland in 2017 while Teresa May was losing everywhere else because the Scottish Tories positioned themselves as the party of the union, against Nippy Sturgeon’s demands for another referendum. The SNP is playing the same fiddle again (for it has no other), and if the Tories can again present themselves as the only effective way of resisting nationalism then they will do well.

Labour has nowhere to go in Scotland because 1. The SNP has stolen its socialist rhetoric and 2. Corbyn sounds like he’s going to facilitate a referendum. It’s hard to see where he’s going to make gains. The central belt tribal vote Scottish Labour used to rely on has largely gone to the Nats.

OLD BOY 11-11-2019 16:50
Re: Election 2019, Week 1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36016848)
This is unlikely. It depends exactly how votes are concentrated but on present polling the prediction is that they keep around 6 or 7 seats of the 13 they held after 2017.

Don’t underestimate the extent to which Scottish electoral politics is beginning to resemble Northern Ireland. The Tories made big gains in Scotland in 2017 while Teresa May was losing everywhere else because the Scottish Tories positioned themselves as the party of the union, against Nippy Sturgeon’s demands for another referendum. The SNP is playing the same fiddle again (for it has no other), and if the Tories can again present themselves as the only effective way of resisting nationalism then they will do well.

Labour has nowhere to go in Scotland because 1. The SNP has stolen its socialist rhetoric and 2. Corbyn sounds like he’s going to facilitate a referendum. It’s hard to see where he’s going to make gains. The central belt tribal vote Scottish Labour used to rely on has largely gone to the Nats.
Agreed. However, I would add that the Conservatives should try to prise the conversation away from a Scottish referendum and on to the domestic agenda, where the SNP has not done too well at all.

Hugh 11-11-2019 18:36
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Scottish domestic agenda or British domestic agenda?


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