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No, this is a parliamentary mess.

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Which could have been possibly been avoided if May hadn’t tried to do this all herself and instead gone cross party.


The buck for this current shambles stops squarely with May

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Nope, I don’t see it that way. I don’t care who is in power, what deal they came up with, you will never get a consensus on Brexit through Parliament.

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Exactly as no matter how much distaste political parties might have for each other going cross party would have certainly been a much better option.

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As i recall it, UKIP, and before it the BNP did very well in the Labour heartlands.

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No ifs , no buts and no maybes...

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Cross party would/will solve nothing. It is clear to anyone that you can’t have Brexit by committee.

You want a horse you get a camel.

It needs a singular view of Brexit and drive, purpose and more importantly a thumping majority - even that would probably not be enough.

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You must be joking, Den! Do you really think they would have got any co-operation with Labour or the Scottish Nationalists? There was no way that would ever happen. I think you know that. The SNP don't want Brexit and Labour keep changing their position and just want to oppose any kind of deal.

It would have been obvious that this was a non-starter.

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Er - Norway isn't Brexit. Just thought I'd remind you.:mad:

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So who is going to step forward to take over?It's a poisoned chalice for whoever is in charge and I can see an image of prospective candidates pushing each other forwards in an attempt to make sure they can step in after that candidate sinks as well and Brexit is resolved in some manner whatever transpires.
So who will finally stand atop the dung heap?

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And where are we now with plotters in Theresa May's government plotting her downfall as l speak so much so she might be gone at the end of next week.

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A government of Unity given we have the gravest crisis in this country since the second World War might be one idea.

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It’s not the job of the Leader of the Oppositon to facilitate bad Government policy. They command a majority alongside their confidence and supply partner.

You can blame Labour all you want but the fact remains if May had the full support of her party she would have won the last “meaningful vote”.

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Incorrect.

Having the exact relationship Norway has with Brussels completely satisfies the result of the referendum question asked on 23rd June 2016. We would no longer be a member of the European Union.

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Actually 100% agree on this point. For Brexit to be achieved it needs a government who can’t be held to the whims of the ERG/DUP.

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You've hit that nail, Maggy. Theresa May keeps getting it in the neck for all her efforts and yet no-one else would have wanted this job. Faced with a Remainer Parliament, what deal was she supposed to come up with? People keep saying she's negotiated a bad deal, but this was the only one we were going to get. The only alternative to it that delivers on the referendum is no deal, which is a much better scenario than many think it is.

None of the other options that have been discussed achieve that. For each one of those other options, ask yourself - does it extract us from free movement? Do we still have control of our own laws? Are we free to forge new trade deals with other countries?

If the answer to any of these questions is no, then that is not what the people thought they were voting for.

So it's either TM's deal, no deal, or unacceptable betrayal that will never be forgotten or forgiven.

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True, but that doesn't address my point.

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None of these things were specifically stated on the ballot paper, so you’ve no way to quantify which (if any) need to be delivered.

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We would still be obliged to adopt the four freedoms, which would be unacceptable, and we would still have to pay huge amounts of money to the EU. How exactly do you work out that the Norway option delivers on the referendum?

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You know perfectly well that immigration, getting back our sovereignty and stopping those payments to the EU were the principle drivers for those who voted for Leave. So your other options don't cut it, I'm afraid.