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richard s 04-09-2013 15:59
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I would not like to do the JSA peoples job, the amount of crap that they get is unduly called for. There are the professional shysters out there that never want to work and give the descent people who are genuinely wanting to work a bad name.

I say lets put these time-wasters to picking up litter and graffiti removal to work for their benefits (with travel expenses paid). How do we know who they are.. the JSA people do with their records. Lets give these type of people a purpose in life.

dilli-theclaw 04-09-2013 16:05
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It's like anywhere you do get silly people. I have had run ins with the job centre over computers before.

You can't sign on until you've used the job search pods

But I can't see them!

It's not my problem you have to use them before you can sign on.

..........

I did sort them out in the end but I just think all places could do with educating sometimes.

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35618529)
I would not like to do the JSA peoples job, the amount of crap that they get is unduly called for. There are the professional shysters out there that never want to work and give the descent people who are genuinely wanting to work a bad name.

I say lets put these time-wasters to picking up litter and graffiti removal to work for their benefits (with travel expenses paid). How do we know who they are.. the JSA people do with their records. Lets give these type of people a purpose in life.
I don't think records help, the people who knowhow can get round records so they show what they want. There are plenty of sites that help with this.

Russ 04-09-2013 16:09
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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35618529)
I say lets put these time-wasters to picking up litter and graffiti removal to work for their benefits (with travel expenses paid). How do we know who they are.. the JSA people do with their records. Lets give these type of people a purpose in life.
In theory a good idea (especially with having expenses paid) but there's only so much litter-picking and graffiti-removal in some areas. I'd rather leave that to criminals on Community Payback.

tizmeinnit 04-09-2013 22:28
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35618523)
Both of those instances are completely inappropriate behaviours on behalf of the Job Centre - they should complain.

The JSA website states if you can't do it online, you can do it by phone - this advice should have been passed on.

https://www.gov.uk/contact-jobcentre-plus
cheers :)

That is where I was yesterday but none of the log in details I was given work. He is asking Thursday

peanut 05-09-2013 08:09
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Universal Credit plan is branded 'unrealistic'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...taxpayers.html

IDS is expected to say this is all lies and everything is hunky-dory and will continue without a hitch. - [Edit] Oh IDS on tv now, yep I was right, he's now saying everything everything is going fine and will not take any criticism and he's fully in control. What a plonker. He doesn't have a clue (no change there then).

tizmeinnit 05-09-2013 09:38
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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 35618703)
Universal Credit plan is branded 'unrealistic'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...taxpayers.html

IDS is expected to say this is all lies and everything is hunky-dory and will continue without a hitch. - [Edit] Oh IDS on tv now, yep I was right, he's now saying everything everything is going fine and will not take any criticism and he's fully in control. What a plonker. He doesn't have a clue (no change there then).
This will just get written off here ( like the 35 mill worth of written off equipment) due to the facts its in the Mail

Lets have a BBC link to satisfy all lol http://bbb-news.com/blog/2013/09/04/...-to-taxpayers/

Derek 05-09-2013 11:05
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Funnily enough this part of the report hasn't made the headlines.

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The NAO says the scheme ‘still has the potential to create significant benefits for society
A government IT system that's wasted £34 million? Bad but nowhere near as bad as the previous administrations IT disasters. £2.8 Billion on the tax credit scheme and £13 Billion on the NHS computer system.

tizmeinnit 05-09-2013 11:09
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35618733)
Funnily enough this part of the report hasn't made the headlines.



A government IT system that's wasted £34 million? Bad but nowhere near as bad as the previous administrations IT disasters. £2.8 Billion on the tax credit scheme and £13 Billion on the NHS computer system.
Derek just because Labour lost money is not a get off free for the Tories.,add the 34 million to the 11 billion in aid and the 30+ billion on a railway no one really wants shows the Tories are not really doing that well either

Derek 05-09-2013 11:22
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It's not a get off free card but people should have a little perspective and balance.

The headline makes it out that the whole scheme is doomed and should be scrapped but the report as a whole says nothing like that.

tizmeinnit 05-09-2013 11:38
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35618735)
It's not a get off free card but people should have a little perspective and balance.

The headline makes it out that the whole scheme is doomed and should be scrapped but the report as a whole says nothing like that.
the 2017 date is unrealistic. And they also said it is going to increase in cost.

You might be able to right of 34 mill with perspective and balance but how about this perspective its 340 houses which could house 340 families possibly over 1000 people

peanut 05-09-2013 19:13
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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 35618703)
Universal Credit plan is branded 'unrealistic'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...taxpayers.html

IDS is expected to say this is all lies and everything is hunky-dory and will continue without a hitch. - [Edit] Oh IDS on tv now, yep I was right, he's now saying everything everything is going fine and will not take any criticism and he's fully in control. What a plonker. He doesn't have a clue (no change there then).
And this is his response.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23978332

Nidge41 05-09-2013 19:30
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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 35618703)
Universal Credit plan is branded 'unrealistic'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...taxpayers.html

IDS is expected to say this is all lies and everything is hunky-dory and will continue without a hitch. - [Edit] Oh IDS on tv now, yep I was right, he's now saying everything everything is going fine and will not take any criticism and he's fully in control. What a plonker. He doesn't have a clue (no change there then).
It's been flawed since day one.

martyh 05-09-2013 20:02
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The main problem according to the official NAO report is that

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3.23
The culture within the programme has also been a problem. The Department
intended to ring-fence the Universal Credit programme from cost savings being made
in other areas. It decided to deliver the programme through a single delivery organisation
within the Department. Both the Major Projects Authority and a supplier-led review in
mid-2012 identifed problems with staff culture; including a ‘fortress mentality’ within the
programme. The latter also reported there was a culture of ‘good news’ reporting that
limited open discussion of risks and stifled challenge
In other words they(civil servants running the show) only reported good news and didn't tell anyone when something needed changing .IDS sorted that out back in 2012 by replacing most of the management team .If he is guilty of anything it is not keeping a closer eye on the monkeys actually developing the system


Of course one thing all you naysayers are forgetting is that if Blair/Brown and the rest of the dimwits hadn't given benefits out like confetti then there would be no need for a universal credit system

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Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35618871)
It's been flawed since day one.
there hasn't been a day one yet ,still another 4.5yrs to go until full roll out

tizmeinnit 05-09-2013 20:11
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35618877)
The main problem according to the official NAO report is that



In other words they(civil servants running the show) only reported good news and didn't tell anyone when something needed changing .IDS sorted that out back in 2012 by replacing most of the management team .If he is guilty of anything it is not keeping a closer eye on the monkeys actually developing the system


Of course one thing all you naysayers are forgetting is that if Blair/Brown and the rest of the dimwits hadn't given benefits out like confetti then there would be no need for a universal credit system

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there hasn't been a day one yet ,still another 4.5yrs to go until full roll out
And Thatcher's government made it easy and attractive for the unemployed to go on the sick. What difference does it make if the last government cocked things up? its not an excuse for this one to.

martyh 05-09-2013 20:26
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35618884)
And Thatcher's government made it easy and attractive for the unemployed to go on the sick. What difference does it make if the last government cocked things up? its not an excuse for this one to.
So now you are complaining because a Tory PM made it EASIER for sick people to claim benefits and took SICK people of the dole ,confusing or what .

Nothing has been cocked up yet because the system has not been developed and rolled out ,don't forget that the entire welfare system is being redesigned which is no easy task ,a hell of a lot more complicated than it was back during it's inception


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