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Looks very fishy to Andrew. (pun intended).

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If the net is big enough, and you cast it far enough, you'll catch all sorts of odd things :D

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The Caribbean hate EU fishing boats. These factory vessels stay in international water and hoover up fish leaving far little for the inshore fishermen on the islands. All perfectly legal.

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Another good reason to extend our existing deal with the EU.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-abandons-h...e-end-of-year/

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This is not unsurprising but worrying for UK sellers on Amazon:

Amazon FBA Brexit Bombshell – EFN and Pan-European FBA ends for UK

At the end of the transition period, the Amazon marketplace will effectively no longer allow you to continue stocking in the UK and selling into Europe (or vice versa) as you can today.

Some comments from those affected:

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well that must surely be good news to those harping on about chlorinated chicken :D

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Another piece of bad news for business:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdWYMe0W...jpg&name=small


Some wag on Twitter has worked out why the truck park in Ashford, Kent was so small: No deal = No logistics companies.

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l am off to buy one of those oven ready ones.:D

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Hopefully the article in the Telegraph will encourage Boris start to listen to British business but I'm doubtful. he's undone more of Margaret Thatcher's legacy in one year than Labour have in 20 years.

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Probably good news to be honest. Best way to run a transport business is to have goods available for the 'return' journey. Let the foreign companies do it all, they can bring their stuff in then arrange stuff to go out ;)

Our own firms can then concentrate their drivers & vehicles on the booming 'internet shopping' fad :D

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Another piece of news that slipped under the radar (;)) in March was this:

Industry Troubled as UK Government Confirms EASA Departure

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Well, before the COVID-19 hit us, that "fad" was accounting for nearly 20% of retail sales (it's now nearly a third of all retail sales in the UK).

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Brexit: UK must 'face possibility' of no deal on future relationship with EU by end of transition

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk...ition-12034669


OOH by gum n heck :shocked:


Brexit LIVE: Boris Johnson refuses negotiation on fishing – EU to decide if talks continue

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...no-deal-brexit

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I think they could probably sort the fishing issue out. It's the "level playing field" that's the real issue. A problem that is the EU's making not ours. The unreasonable request that we must meet all of the EU's benchmarks so that we cannot produce things or provide services more efficiently than them and undercut them.

Which is one of the reasons we left. So if we reach no agreement on that, it's no deal - in regards to trade.

I'm sure there will be lots of other side deals around other things.

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exactly . . . more delivery drivers required :p:

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Trouble is side deals are far, far harder if there is no trade deal in the first place.

The fishing deal should be relatively unimportant to each side (I believe Harrods employs more people and adds more to UK GDP) but the UK does seem keen to want to end the current arrangements.

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Do you not understand why "Harrods employs more people and adds more to UK GDP" ?

How about we get rid of 99% of civil servants, then we can say the local Tesco employs more people than them :D :D

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More Tory hypocrisy. No surprise that Redwood is front & centre ..

https://twitter.com/StevePeers/statu...49623444525063

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But the main reason Harrods employs more people than the fishing industry is that the other fishing employees are in the EU.

The aim isn't to completely shut out EU fishing boats, but to have UK control over who is or isn't allowed to fish in our waters. The UK fishing industry isn't big enough to pick up the slack, if EU boats were completely banned.

If the EU imposed tariffs on fish caught by UK boats and sold in the EU, wouldn't the UK have to impose some sort of tariffs on EU boats catching fish in UK waters, but selling them in the EU? Otherwise the EU boats would have an unfair advantage, as they would be tariff free.

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That's appalling hypocrisy. At times he posses the rare trait of making Cummings look a credible witness.

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Like Pierre, I think fishing is less of an issue than a level playing field and involvement of the European courts in disputes. But I suspect the latter two can be spun in the same manner that a border in the Irish sea was. Deny it and then by the time the facts are known, people have lost interest.

I don't think we'll be going from "easiest deal ever" to "no deal" at the end of the year. I think BoJo will do a lot of huffing and puffing and then quietly roll over in the Autumn and acquiesce. Once again. Not the first politician to adopt this approach in the face of a stronger power and doubtless not the last. When was the last time we heard "They need us more than we need them?". Quite.

We saw BoJo hot foot it up to Scotland. No deal would give the SNP and devolution more support. BoJo doesn't want to go down in history as the PM who presided over the dissolution of the UK. Although I think that's unlikely given our Churchillian level of indebtedness at the moment. In reality, Northern Ireland is a more likely candidate to break away but not under the term of BoJo's Government.

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Scotland - I don't think it can happen for the reason I stated but there is a big increase in support for independence - now up to 54%. My key point is this will pressure BoJo to get an EU deal. A disastrous no-deal could well see some form of referendum. It also serves the purpose of being a dead cat. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...tice-82mqs6zm9

NI - won't happen under BoJo's government but I think the Irish sea border will gradually pull NI away from GB until it makes more sense to join with Eire.

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What can I say?

We Irish Catholics like sharing our love, whilst the NI Protestants love themselves... :D

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I think religion is far less important an issue in today's island of Ireland than it once was. It's more about getting on and opportunities. In a small country, it's another factor why freedom of movement is more important than in a larger one.

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Agreed. My underlying point is that the growth of Scottish nationalism is yet another reason to drive Boris to a deal with the EU. he wouldn't want to go down in history as being the cause of Scotland leaving the UK and a no-deal Brexit on top of Scotland's perceived stronger approach to Covid-19 could see a referendum in the future, albeit more likely than not outside the term of the current government.

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This is all about why we pay politicians to make difficult decisions for us.

A bad deal with the EU - one with bags of friction that erodes our competitiveness - will go down badly in Scotland. The country is already in favour of devolution thanks to its handling of Covid-19 and a bad UK deal with the EU will only increase this. Given the limited time we have, Boris has again backed himself into a negotiating corner and will do as he did with Ireland - concede, deny, move on.

How will Brexit impact your trade with NI?

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Tell that to our fishermen. :rolleyes:

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Not. Going. To. Happen.

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OK I grant that will not go down well with those who want independence. What do they expect when/if they get it? Do they expect the EU to welcome them with open arms? If they do they'll be sorely disappointed. Scotland would have to apply like any other european country, it would take years. They'd also have to get a bank to guarantee their currency as well as many other hurdles.

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It will go down badly with those who don't currently want independence too and might well sway them towards voting for independence.

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I think a few will consider "what do we have to offer the EU . . . fish?" :D

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But surely they need us more than we need them? We just need to remind them of this again, only slower and louder. :D

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I was talking about Scotland, not sure what else (if anything) they've got to smooth a possible introduction into the EU gang . . . . Irn-Bru? ;) :D

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Keep the haggis hidden and a fine malt to hand and the world's your lobster. :D

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The old Irn Bru maybe. The post sugar tax one though... just isn't the same.

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When the UK has exerted the most power politically, it has been as part of a coalition or alliance. In these alliances, compromises are made but the end justifies the means and overall, greater power is gained. Membership of the UN, NATO etc all reduce the UK's sovereignty but the end is seen to justify the means.

If a country like the UK is going to have any power economically then against a backdrop of China and the USA, it needs to be part of a larger trading bloc. No country apart from North Korea trades on WTO trade terms and so is not an option. Accepting a level playing field is not an onerous condition to me as we do not have high state intervention in industry and we have a high minimum wage. Canada is thousands of miles away so of course is not such a competitive threat as the UK is. Distance does matter in trade, as has oft been noted on this thread.

This is a small price to pay for the long-term drop in the wealth of the country no deal or a bad deal brings - wealth that could be put to good use - our nursing homes are crying out for more money, local councils' services in many parts of the country have been severely cut back since the Global Financial Crisis, a big question mark hangs over UK high streets and we are entering a big economic downturn that should not be worsened.

The EU replaced the Commonwealth as the UK's main trading partner and like the Commonwealth, the larger market helped create wealth. The difference with the EU was that it was a more competitive market. The UK could no longer force compliant nations to take ships full of Austin Allegros with square steering wheels made by people on strike every month. It had to raise its game and productivity and finally compete with its peers. It has stepped up to this challenge and many British services, products and companies are now once again world class.

There is no pipeline of deals that will replace the EU and the deals it has brought us. If such deals existed, the EU would have signed them already. And the basic rule of trade is that most trade is done with your neighbouring countries.

It's unrealistic to blame a larger organisation for having more negotiating clout than a smaller one. I think if you read the threads from 2016, there are warnings a plenty on this. I believe we even suggested that the Government would be rushing to blame the EU for not giving them what they promised the British electorate, although this was unlikely as the German car companies would force the EU to concede to our demands! Instead, you need to put this to those who knowingly or unknowingly mislead the country when they said "easiest trade deal ever."

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Nursing homes* and Local Council' Services are the same thing, and, along with UK high streets, have been feeling the pinch long before we 'left' the EU.

I remember reading a few months ago that even the Germans were putting the boot (no pun intended) into their own car companies.

I see once again you're concerned about the 'British services' being hit . . . job on the line mate? ;)



*unless you mean private nursing homes are badly run ;)

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Your big mistake, Andrew, is assuming that the EU is the only solution to be part of a bigger market, and you completely fail to understand that the EU is making unreasonable demands of us to get a no-tariff trade deal. To accept these demands would undermine our sovereignty and undermine the benefits of Brexit.

There are other trading blocs we could join. The most obvious to me is the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Prtnership (CPTPP), which already comprises 11 countries including Japan, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Malaysia, Mexico and Peru. If Britain joined, this would comprise 16% of global commerce. That's bigger than the EU, and it is fast growing as a productive group of nations, whereas the EU is expected to decline.

The CPTPP is expected to generate about 25% of trade by 2050, whereas the poorly performing EU will manage only 10%. If we want a tariff-free deal, we could do a lot worse than joining the CPTPP. Why are posters on this forum not talking about opportunities such as these instead of bemoaning our departure of the failing EU? GB is not a one-trick pony and Liz Truss is already forging ahead with negotiations to join the much more promising CPTPP while continuing to seek trade deals with the US and others.

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Sorry, I edited my post to include this and indavertently put it in your post. I couldn't see it in my post when I checked so added it to my post.

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Is this the new one after China and the US deals look in peril?

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You need a couple of fence panels between those posts, stops things slipping through :D

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Nursing homes aren't run by councils are they hence my including it though I appreciate some of their funding may come via councils. I did not link the high street decline to leaving the EU, I linked it to where we could be spending money.

I don't work in the service sector but I think in the current situation many jobs aren't safe, something a no-deal Brexit will only add to. But I hasten to add that's theoretical - Boris will agree to the EU's position when the time is right. As he's done to date.

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More post there than the Royal Mail! Well spotted. :D

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Old Boy, the EU has free trade deals with many of those countries anyway plus lots, lots more so a deal with that bloc is just trying to retain a little of what we have already.

Your big opportunity is to understand the economic gravity of trade which explains why most trade takes place with neighbouring countries. https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/to-in...model-of-trade

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:D

Do you also remember when people were confidently lining up to predict that other countries were about to leave the EU? I think I noted Ireland, Spain, Italy and the Netherlands tipped at one time or the other. :D

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Apologies, it does seem as though all (or the majority of) nursing homes/care homes are private and not council funded.

Which makes me wonder why the very clever entrepreneurial people, who own them or invest in them and charge astronomical fees for their use, are crying out for more money . . . from us the tax payers probably :rolleyes:

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Natural though. Invest heavily in sectors too big/important to fail. Extract profits squeezing as much as you can between delaying your creditors.

The taxpayer carries the can.

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Sounds like the labour manifesto.

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At least it’s transparent.

I’ll tee up Carth/Seph with “well the public did see right through it”.

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Don't look at me . . . I couldn't even name twelvty labour people on the fingers of both hands :D

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I think that's an answer for convenience to set up the remainder of your arguments. As a member of NATO, the UK yielded no sovereignty; it merely participated in a mutual defence pact with no such matters as fishing rights, judicial superiority etc.

If we do a deal with the EU, and they drop their bullying approach, then we will be able to roll over agreements the EU made with other countries. But my real point here is that had the EEC remained as a pure trading bloc without all this federalisation crap, I'd have been perfectly happy. Your point is not entirely without merit.


That's where Remainers and Leavers differ. It is not a small price to pay if, by remaining, we remain under the Brussels heel and the ECJ.
If we can't forge our own path, then all we could have done in the EU is to hang onto their coat tails. There is nothing the EU can do about their High Street and they'd be no help in dealing with ours had we remained. Yours is highly spurious argument, I'm sorry to say.

I really do despair of the plummet in the quality of your argument in the above paragraph. "Force compliant nations"? Utter rubbish and tosh. Very disappointing.

I wasn't aware of that. Isn't that the problem with the EU?
Artificially high internal process because they're a tariff laden bloc with a few trade deals?

That's what Barnier said - we had to be realistic. The EU are bullies, plain and simple. They accused us of wanting our cake and eating it; now, as exemplified by the fishing rights and level playing field, they want exactly the same. We really must shed ourself of the EU yoke. If we caved in with extensions and giving way on our sovereignty, they'll be pssing all over us laughing their heads off for years to come.

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I can name (but won't) eleventyeight rabid Remainers, and defo most of them lefties.

Anyway, it's all hotting up. Yesterday's Torygraph surmises that Merkel, President of the European something, will ride to the rescue and broker something sensible. I do hope so but am not holding my breath and I want to be shot of the EU yoke.

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No, it's the addition of valid examples to move it from the purely theoretical to the practical. Membership of those organisations may not impact fishing rights but it can lead to loss of sovereignty in other areas. We can't for example, go out and buy arms from Russia or China. And in missions, UK troops may end up reporting to superiors from other countries, and vice versa.

I obviously disagree with you on the bullying label. I think that's a slightly weak description of negotiations where people are now finally accepting that the UK is holding a weaker hand than that decribed by Farage et al four years ago.
I do understand your point about the EU and its closer relationships between states than that between those of other trading blocs. But I understand the reasons for this - the need to prevent wars recurring and the need to be strong against the CIS.

You misunderstand the high street reference. I brought it up as one example amongst a few of areas that we can spend the that greater wealth we will get with a close relationship on. Enhanced economic performance is not an abstract concept and it can help address the problems the country faces.

That was how it worked with the Commonwealth - it had a monopoly and there were high tariffs on selling into Commonwealth countries from outside. Old-fashioned protectionism which aided strikes and low productivity.

The UK employs far more civil servants than the EU. They have far more trade deals with other blocs than anyone else so the average external tariffs are very low.

It wasn't the EU who asked us to leave, it was the other way round. They're just reacting to the situation. You must know now negotiations work and so to label this as bullying is unhelpful to anyone trying to understand the real dynamics of the situation.

The EU is not asking for an extension so it would not be a case of caving in. It would give us a reasonable chance to negotiate something closer to what you want rather than the caving-in which Boris will do without an extension. I'm confident this will indeed happen as our Brexit plans are not sufficiently in place but I would like us to have a stronger stab at negotiating with the EU and wearing them down for an extra 12 months to see if we can improve on the deal.

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Absolutely. :handshake
(Apologies for the lack of social distancing in the above emoji.)

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The US deal is delayed, partially due to the US election - it is not in peril. China is a big unknown at present, but a change in the US administration following the election may calm everything down.

No such problems with the bloc I highlighted - all seems pretty stable there.

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Johnson straight-talking about the EU.
https://twitter.com/RichardGCorbett/...34736421249024

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Sometime after you were abducted by aliens and lost a huge lump of time things changed here on earth and we actually voted to leave the EU with boris taking a leading role in that process, just give your self time to catch up with the reality of the world as it is today ;)

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Is there even a commitment from Biden to negotiate a deal?

China is a “big unknown”‘ that’s almost as much of an understatement as the claim Coronavirus is a mild flu.

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I doubt he is capable of remembering what commitments he has made.

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Are Brexiters really blaming the Conservative Party? The timing seems a bit odd to me. https://twitter.com/2Tone4Real/statu...403458/photo/1

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No......it’s on Twitter.

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Biden isn't President yet, and besides, if he gave the thumbs up now, my understanding is that he would have forgotten about it before January.:D

UPDATE: I see Papa beat me to it!!




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The LSE.... :p:

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The LSE knows more about economics than your average forum poster and by collaborating with the CBI you have a comprehensive picture. As unfortunate as it may be.

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Old Boy and economics are distant acquaintances at best. There's years of discussion on streaming services to prove that!

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The FT has some good examples of the new costly red tape being inflicted on small British manufacturers


https://www.ft.com/content/a1c4a5dc-...e-909d4aaf6162

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Says the man who believes that we don't need to worry about ruining our economy with constant lockdowns and doesn't acknowledge that small audiences for TV channels will ultimately lead to their closure.

Good luck with these perverse views you hold, jfman. I guess we will see who's right over time. Starting with how well we do with Brexit!

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I can't read the whole article as I don't subscribe, but I'm not clear whether any assumptions have been made here or whether the government has confirmed that this will be the process.

It would have been easier simply to transfer existing permissions to the new system, I would have thought.

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It’s your flawed view that the economy doesn’t tank either way that is flawed. The question is whether you want to control it or not. However that’s for another thread.

The forum is well versed on your views on streaming from the 6-7 threads you’ve opened over the years and are welcome to use the search facility to see you deny reality over there too.

That’s the danger of though Old Boy. Anyone can speculate and make judgements in ignorance of material facts. I’ll trust the salt of the earth entrepreneurs quoted by the Financial Times before I trust your ideological speculation.

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I'm not sure that's the wisest of starting places Old Boy as the GB-NI border means that JFMan is 1-0 up already! Maybe you should have selected another topic like the rugby. :D

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That's not what the Chancellor thinks.

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You certainly seem to take maximum advantage of that, jfman.

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Where has the Chancellor proposed that the economy will recover quickly? I certainly missed it.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53642923

He wasn’t sending sensitive papers to a web based email account, was he? Tut tut if so.

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Not sure that’s so cut and dried - I have family over there, and the younger generations are more secular, and have less time for the Prods vs Kaffliks bullshine, and equally are less fervent about a ‘United Ireland’...

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Indeed, the young generation in N.I. Have the best of both worlds, equally citizens of the R.o.I the EU and the U.K.

If I was Northern Irish I’d vote for the status quo.

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Voting for the status quo is indeed what the majority of Northern Irish did in 2016. ;)
Do the Northern Irish enjoy freedom of movement in the EU? I don't think they automatically do, but if they select a Republic of Ireland passport then would this mean they would?

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That's certainly the impression that I got when i've visited both NI & the ROI.

AFAIK, NI costs more to run than it makes, so from a purely financial point of view, the cash strapped ROI is unlikely to want to take on NI.

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Not sure RoI is any more cash-strapped than the UK but it's not an investment decision, it's a constitutional one which has been made.

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Didn't stop the re-unification of Germany, and the old DDR is still a money pit for the rest of Germany...

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Apparently Ian Duncan-Smith doesn’t like the thing he voted for...

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Well that's understandable really.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_pUgkECn9s


Let's all sing along ;)

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He sums up the entitled cake-and-eat-it brigade.

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That's what I meant, they would need to get an Irish passport, which they are entitled to do. So it's semantics really.

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Nope. Its we who left the EU and not the other way round. We knew what we voted for, that is unless our name was Iain Duncan Smith. ;)

1. They're happy to accept a phased withdrawal from British waters, not a sudden one that would lead to livelihoods being lost overnight. 2/3 of fish UK fishermen catch is sold to the EU so a no-deal Brexit would result in many of our own fishermen losing their livelihoods too.

2. We lost our competitivity when we said we would leave the EEA. Now, our manufacturers have to battle with increased red tape. The EU just wants to stop unfair state socialist subsidies such as those favoured by the terrible two Cs - Corbyn and Cummings. Canada signed up to this for its trade deal and I encourage the UK to step up and do the same.

3. Any agreement needs to be enforceable. If you've got an established means in place then it makes sense to use it and start building costly alternatives.

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I will try and clarify the other aspects later when I have more time. In the meantime, here's how CETA helps level the playing field. https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in...eta-explained/

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You voted for the agreement, you can't ask to change the terms now. Tough do-do.

You'll get zero sympathy from any remoaners because we absolutely told you it was a crap deal and you still wanted it.

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That's what IDS is talking about, isn't it? He wants the EU to change the terms of the WA that Parliament signed.

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The items IDS isn’t happy about are part of the Withdrawal Agreement (according to him).

btw, this is what he said previously, which kind of negates his point about "small print"...

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Seph, I'm afaid that link slips below your usual standards. I can only attribute this to be shock at Iain Duncan Smith feigning ignorance of a withdrawal agreement he was praising to the high horses before! He showed contempt for voters and he has rightly been called out on this.

My previous link to the original document demonstrates the Canadian deal was more than IP. This is a pertinent extract: https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/sta...454401/photo/1
I think it's logical that the EU wouldn't want a heavily subsidised socialist state on its doorstep with easy entry into the single market or a highly de-regulated one with very low standards. Thanks to such tight negotiating deadlines, the EU can afford to push for an even stronger level playing field. You may recall that the Canadian deal took some seven years to arrange.

I'm more interested in the now and what you think about Iain Duncan Smith's apparent change of heart or memory loss?