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... and, as if by magic:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36566422

Maybe Germany would feel happier with an EU army over which it would have far more influence than it does within Nato? :shrug:

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I am sure many would disagree. If benefits were relied upon, would it not then be an infringement to take them away when the person had no other means to support themselves? Would you be happy for your parent, spouse or children to be placed in a situation where their basic needs were hardly met? We are talking about sick and vulnerable people here. There are human rights in law and there are human rights on a compassionate basis. We will just have to agree to disagree.

I am so pleased that you get a doctors appointment so quickly. You obviously don't live in an area where the NHS is overburdened. It isn't the case in many areas. Look at some of the large council areas where there has been a large influx of migrants over the years and where services have not been expanded to meet these needs. I have spoken with many who have personal experience of this so obviously some people find it problematic therefore this is an issue that needs to be addressed. We will agree to disagree on this issue too.

As to the good old days, it is a combination of both which has led to our current situation.

You might find the following post of interest. Being in the EU has resulted in a disastrous impact on our NHS services and costs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-card-GP.html

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The population has increased by ~5 million in the last 10 years.

None of it to do with either net migration or the considerably higher birthrates within some migrant communities.

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Being honest benefits have nothing to do with the EU referendum and are a separate issue that already has many threads dedicated to it's discussion. Stephen you were asked by two of us about your commonwealth comment and you haven't answered I'll assume you recognise you got that one wrong. It is patently absurd to suggest that in the long-term our trade will be less then it is now the ability to make our own trade deals would increase substantially out of the EU and allow the uk to be far more dynamic to changing circumstances.

As for lord Guthrie reversing his viewpoint he wouldn't have done that if nothing had changed and he clearly knows something that is coming and it's enough to make him change his stance. Despite the continual promises from the government there is a great sense of unease about a European army within our military and little faith in the government to keep us out of it. People need to realise that the uk is not the only EU member with a growing anti EU sentiment I've lost count of the amount of French and German friends hoping we do vote out so they can try to obtain a vote for themselves and looking online it's a common sentiment, it isn't just the uk that has problems with the EU and the sentiment is growing.

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The Eurocrats only listen to ordinary people when it's what they want to hear. The rest of the time they plough on regardless, assuring themselves that they always know best and sooner or later they'll get their way.

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I hope you didn't have a straight face when you wrote that :rolleyes:

Net migration has increased the uk population by 240,000 per year since the 1990's

overview of the uk population :feb 2016

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Relax man ,we still in the EU so everything fine, no wars or nothing bad can happen ,leaving the EU is when the war starts

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Don't know about that. Didn't see a lot of foreigners when I was a youngster now it appears to be the other way round.

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I see whilst Westminster is too busy mourning one of its own the French have been handed the scaremongering baton in the form of Christine Lagarde and the economy minister Emmanuel Macron.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36561415

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36567469

The more they want us to scare us into staying the less I want to (if that's possible)...

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Lol as significant as Guernsey the fifth largest economy in the world really and they expect us to take them seriously.

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Polls predict a dead heat with voting less than a week away.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ampaign-jo-cox

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Such is their desperation to keep us in the club paying the bills.

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Polls starting to swing back to remain, the 'undecideds' are behaving as predicted. I really don't think this will as close as the polls are saying.
Blessed relief when this is all over, whatever the result.

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what polls ?

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Interesting the way certain newspapers/proprietors are hedging their bets, not wanting to be on the losing side !
Sun(Brexit), Times (Remain) - both Murdoch owned
Mail(Brexit), Mail on Sunday (Remain!)

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I think the Leave campaign may regret having Farage on board in light of recent events and the type of messages he is pushing:

'Vile': How husband scorned Nigel Farage's anti-immigration poster just 90 minutes before his wife's death

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any thing else down there at the bottom of the barrel .

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Truth hurts doesn't it?

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Papa, your Sig is accidentally missing a word at the end - Cameron. is derived from "crooked nose" or "bent nose"... ;-)

http://www.behindthename.com/name/cameron

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ah the loyal defender of all things Cameron rides in on his trusty steed .....

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Well l certainly don't trust our perfidious politicians and l certainly don't trust our perfidious media so my advice is for people to make their own mind up whatever way that is based on true facts and not the constant disinformation that politicians and the media try to tell to feed to us all.

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i had to look that up :)

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Really why is that then? I don't see the relevance to her death?

I don't support immigrants coming into this country in large numbers but I wouldn't have wished anyone dead.

Just because she supported one thing doesn't mean others have to suddenly change their views.

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The worry now is they will in support of her.

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or not, in defiance of the political point scoring attempts.

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Not surprised. Not the kind of word you find in the Express. Isn't readily relatable to Lady Diana, cures for various ailments afflicting those of middle age and up, or migrants.

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We'll see. I am disgusted by the reaction from many politicians to this. I can't say I'm enamoured by those playing holier than thou over it either. Cameron's writing in the Telegraph displeased, as did Yvette Cooper wanting Nigel Farage to be banned from campaigning.

Farage's ongoing appeals to the lowest common denominator don't enthrall either. Many in the leave campaign I suspect consider his tactics beneath them.

I did note in the press the lack of coverage for Farage leaving a tribute to Jo Cox in Parliament Square though. I thought it merited coverage given he is the leader of our 3rd political party by percentage of the vote.

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If posting a fact is defending Cameron, so be it...

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i didn't think he had a bent nose -he's just fundamentally bent .....

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The fact you wouldn't have posted the same defending corbyn is evidence enough...

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Seems The Gover agrees that this Leave poster is just wrong:

Michael Gove: Ukip's poster made me 'shudder'

He deserves credit for coming out and saying this .. :tu:

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You have a point here ..

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Eh?

Does anyone on the forum have a signature misrepresenting the derivation of the meaning of Corbyn?

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I could offer several very good guesses... :D

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I don't see a problem with the poster he says it how it is none of this PC nonsense.

lets face it though none of these IN/OUT campaigners are cleaner than clean

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What people don't realise is our laws won't stop or change.

Laws we don't like can be repealed, so say workers rights will stop over night are crap. The current law still remains until changed.

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Hugh you're a smart guy so don't think anyone will buy your playing innocent/ dumb. There have been countless occasions when labour mps have been falsely accused and you've never once defended them, you've seemingly been happy for any falsehood to stand no matter how much of a whopper but you race to the defence of any slur against any tory be it Dave Gideon or bozo no matter what they've done or how trivial that slur, it's fine but don't expect anyone to believe you're anything other than totally partisan

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Worth it, just for the worryingly funny first five minutes alone. The following few minutes is also worth a watch, showing members walking out when someone suggests that more of the decisions should be made by the Sovereign states.

People expecting the EU to change if we remain, are in for a shock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5wXiqMtscw

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Look at the changes coming in French employment law, back-peddling on many changes brought in to improve workers rights. Despite being a major player in the EU. The French workers are fighting tooth and nail to oppose their introduction, bringing parts of the country to a total standstill. Their Unions are strong, ours are weak.

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It's not a slur, it's an incorrect/partial presentation of a fact (where the name Cameron comes from).

People keep complaining that the facts are not presented, just opinions, but when someone points out a fact (or the misrepresentation of one), suddenly it's bias....;)

If it had meant bent or crooked, that would have been amusing - as it is, it is deliberately being misrepresented by missing off the last word in the correct definition.

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The french enjoy the shortest working week in Europe(35hrs) along with the longest average paid holidays (30 days ) ,workers rights in France are unfairly biased in so many ways towards the worker and they still would be even if the unions lose this round of strikes and workers lose some protections .Our workers rights are relatively evenly balanced ,more similar to those in the rest of Europe,they will not change should we leave the EU

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No I don't see anything wrong with it either. There is nothing offensive I can see.

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Indeed. Boris said today what I've been saying for a while. We already don't have a voice in the biggest parts of the EU because we opted out of it. Schengen, The Euro, Political integration so we don't have a seat at that table. What's left? Who was it said we're in or we're out? Well, we're only half in so may as well come out all the way.

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I think they will probably keep the basics of some of the EU laws but make them only apply to Britain.

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And if we remain, we'll be next? Worth thinking about.

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I am pro-brexit, and I'm sure the pushing-down of wages will be followed by a reduction in rights whether we are in or out. I wonder what the status of all the EU workers will be if we leave though? Boris said today that he wants an amnesty for all illegals here for more than 12 years, so what of EU nationals here?

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France is facing unemployment rule changes because of their very high unemployment. Which obviously the unions don't want to improve.

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just had a bloody cold call from "Britain stronger in" campaign .I thought the government where supposed be stopping all this cold calling never mind using it to further their campaign

this is the number 01428865747

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Top tip, be ex-directory and never give your landline no. out to anybody, works for me.

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We are ex-directory and we still get cold calls Mr K.

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they rang my mobile

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I'm ex directory and on tps and I still got that Microsoft tech support calling.

Infact he didn't like the fact I was rude to him on the phone that he persistently called my house 125 times over 3 days.

My phone can block calls and it doesn't ring or show as a missed call just shows in the incoming calls folder if they have called with a red X next to their name if it's blocked.

So just goes to show how easy it is to get your number given out when companies ask for it

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But as said previously you never seem to find the need to correct inaccuracies or falsehoods regarding labour and as said previously it's fine, it's your perogative but when posting facts don't expect them to be treated with anything other suspicion as you aren't even handed.

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I will try to be as even-handed as you are...

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David Cameron branded “21st century Neville Chamberlain” in heated Brexit debate

A fiery vote leave backer took Mr Cameron to town over the changes he secured from Brussels.

He said: “Mr Cameron, you say your policy that you’ve negotiate with Europe cannot be overruled, it can, so are you really the 21st century Neville Chamberlain waving a piece of paper in the air saying to the public this is what I have, I have this promise were a dictatorship in Europe can overrule it.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/681...le-Chamberlain

'You're a 21st Century Neville Chamberlain!' Cameron mocked for appeasing EU leaders as he is hammered AGAIN by voters over his failure to tackle immigration

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Jeremy Corbyn: EU Membership Means NO Immigration Limit

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If only it was just "free movement of labour" and not the current "free movement of all and sundry".

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As I said in the other thread, I bet he'd complain about free movement if it affected his livelihood. These people are so generous with other people's lifestyles aren't they...

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In tonight's debate Cameron refused to confirm that he'd veto Turkey's entry into the EU, preferring instead to claim it'll never happen anyway. He won't say he'd veto it because he can't and won't as long as Turkey has the EU over a barrel. I now give his words as much credence and his pledge to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands. These people will say almost anything to get/keep hold of power knowing full well they have neither the will, desire or ability to deliver.

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We just watched that bit.....Cameron is a squirming, lying, disingenuous, ahole. :dozey:

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It's a laudable ambition as I have no bias, I dislike all politicians on general principle until they prove themselves decent and have been so let down by all the main parties I've gone green.

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Hmm, whenever I hear someone comparing another to chamberlin or calling someone an appeaser I think of this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YK0d8ENS__c

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and kept repeating himself.

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As I predicted, it didn't take long for the outbreak of 'respect' to fizzle out did it...

Well what should we expect now? It seems nothing is out of bounds, no amount of deceit and duplicity is too much. The PM can just make it up as he goes along even if that means contradicting himself in the process. You can always just call those who point out the duplicity and hypocrisy racist though eh?...

If I had a shred of respect for him left, Cameron destroyed it last night. He's proved himself to have sunk to the level of Bliar and you have to ask why. Surely there must be powerful forces at work when a Prime Minister not only refuses to answer such a simple question but desperately tries to give the impression that it should never have been asked in the first place. Truly pathetic and extremely dangerous.

I fear they've plumbed the depths now and win or lose we're going to be left with leaders who'll give the impression they're listening when they really only listen to what they want to hear, just like the Eurocrats. I see big trouble ahead as it begins to dawn on the people of this country that the choice they were told they had was just an illusion.

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And those are just his good qualities.:erm:

Stay or leave he and Gideon are dead men walking. No credibility left whatsoever.

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:tu:

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So true.

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@TheDaddy: I can't argue with that. It'll be a long time before I'll vote for either main political party again.

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Not sure if it happens now but many years ago BT sold a a complete list of their customers to anyone who wold pay the huge price they charged.

I aquired one from a Eye Consultant who worked at our local hospital.

BT brought a new disk out every so often and charged another high price for the update.

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Conservative Peer switches to Remain:

EU referendum campaign latest

as a result of:

I am sensing that maybe Farage, with his dodgy past and his mis-handling of the run-in to Wednesday's vote could provide enough Remain voters to win the day. I doubt it would take many to do this.

The BBC poll of polls is now showing a Remain lead of 3 points:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36271589

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I have never been comfortable about farage being involved he may appeal strongly to a small group but is very off putting to a much larger group and I'm in no doubt he has hindered the leave campaign. Saying that the whole campaign for leave has been pretty dismal and ineffective and while I agree Cameron and Osbourne are now has been I think the same could be said of Boris johnson. He has done a great deal of damage to any chances he had of being party leader and I don't think it will be too long before the Tory party does some major culling of dead weight.

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Very well put. If Remain had chosen different leaders, I suspect that they would have a clear lead ..

Don't forget to add Corbyn to the dismal and ineffective pile :)

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Well I presume the reason why is to avoid getting into a diplomatic tiff with Turkey if it can be avoided. He is right that Turkey is unlikely to be admitted into the club anytime soon, they're a long way off the accession criteria, are opposed by many EU members and some of them also have referendums on the use of their Veto.

I don't think the Remain camp have behaved well but then neither have the Leave camp. When they say we can't Veto it then that is an unequivocal lie. When they say we send £350 million a year to the EU that's is grossly misleading at best, if not also an outright lie. Their spending promises are bogus too, they've spent that (fictional) £350 million several times over as well as making bold predictions of an economic boom post-Brexit against the vast majority of economist predictions.

The reality is both campaign will now say anything to get over the line. Cameron is in trouble past the referendum but so are Boris and Gove should Leave win. A lot of people believe them when they say there will be no economic hit, that the NHS will be well-funded and that their taxes will be cut. If that doesn't help the wrath of the electorate will be aimed at them come the next election.

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Indeed. Because we support leave for the reasons the leave camp put forward and for our own personal reasons, we are racist, xenophobic and whatever else remain can come up with. I have news for Cameron and co. WE ARE ALL RACIST is some form or other.

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Not just him. Business are even being gagged according to BBC news this morning.

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Subject of an email sent to me by the Labour Party today:

I suspect champagne corks are popping in Brussels and Strasbourg. Leave's momentum is gone, the bookies are telling the story and there's little doubt the EU machine is gearing up to punish us for our dalliance with leaving to ensure other EU states don't get ideas above their station.

I give it a month, tops, after the EU delivers the various bits of policy they know the UK won't like and have been holding back pending the referendum before some who voted to remain have second thoughts.

Leave is toast. Remain have cynically milked the recent tragedy and changed the tone, with Jo Cox's memorial scheduled for Wednesday which will further influence. Thanks largely to Farage, I'm not going to say UKIP because most prominent UKIP and ex-UKIP voices disagree with what that megalomaniac has done, Leave can't really point out that remaining is the more closed-minded, racist option.

If last week ends up being the turning point perhaps best we do remain in the EU. If the public opinion is swung by one event, however tragic, we clearly aren't grown up enough to govern ourselves, and once Generation Snowflake get their hands on the wheels of power we'll probably end up diving head long into further integration anyway, because feels.

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Does not matter because all they have to do is program a number range to the dialer for a chosen area code and they will catch everyone including Ex Directory.

So 01942 40000 to 50000 and anyone who picks up is directed to the next operator

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Betting odds have spiked in favor of Remain this morning.

So has the FTSE 100:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/06/4.gif

Do the banks know something we don't?

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The banks are gamblers and frequently get it wrong - sometimes big style. The main reason we're in this mess is banks and politicians who fed off them. The FTSE is a marketplace which reacts constantly to uncertainty, frequently overreacting as we've seen countless times over the years.

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1. It will be a big mistake to remain in the EU just because of the death of an MP.

2. That email should be plastered all over the net as they seem to be taking advantage of it.

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Indeed the banks are gamblers and frequently get it wrong in many cases Osem but the bookies usually don't get it wrong in most cases and the odds on remain winning on Thursday have become long odds on in these last few days.

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Not long to go now. and we're OUT!

Dave has proved to the Great British public just how much of an arse he really is.

down with Dave!
Vote OUT,

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What I can't understand is that they keep saying that we need immigrants to work to pay taxes to keep us all in old age as well as literally care for our needs as employees.

If we need extra young people in the country, why is the Government going to limit benefits to the first two children? You'd think they'd be encouraging people to have as many as possible.

Perhaps it's because its cheaper to import immigrants than pay for maternity, health, education etc of children born here- but at what other costs?

As the vote seems to be going against the Government, I'm surprised that they haven't used the murder of Jo Cox as an excuse to cancel it.

It wouldn't surprise me if they used the murder as an excuse to nullify the result if it was to leave- saying that people were unduly influenced or that many were protest votes against violence.

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Sorry but as an outer I don't share your confidence. Money talks and the economy will win the referendum. That aside, I don't think Nigel Ferage has done leave any favours recently. He shouldn't have been in the limelight, he's not part of the official campaign.

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HMG keeps telling us we need more people despite the fact that our population is growing at the rate of 1,000,000 every 3 years. Our services and infrastructure are clearly creaking at the seams wherever you care to look yet they still say we need more people. It'd make some sense if there was a rule that migrants could come for a maximum period of say 5 years but whilst people are coming in huge numbers and many are staying for good, all we're doing is perpetuating the problem on an ever larger scale. Frankly it's bonkers.

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Might want to hold on till Thursday

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I know, it's simple maths, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out if approx 1 million people enter the country every 3 years, you'd need to adjust housing, jobs, healthcare, prisons, services to allow for it.

Why we keep insisting there's no impact is head scratching.

And as for those who dare say anything about that oddity, and they're instantly dismissed as pariahs, racists, xenophobes etc etc.

Weird, just weird.

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If we Remain it's going to be hard to know if it's 'that one event' that swung it. The polls published over the weekend had most of their fieldwork done before the murder or on the day of it. YouGov have said they detected the momentum stalling before then. It could be Osborne's budget threat/warning, a drift to the status-quo as people expected to happen or the combination of things.

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/...82968659791872

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/...83396566843392

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/...83772837834752

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I think the biggest debate to be had now is by how much Remain will win.

I'm going for somewhere between 55-45 and 60-40.

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l expect Remain to win by 10 percentage points at least.

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How can any government hope to be able to plan for, budget for and implement long term programmes such as those with no ability to predict let alone control the numbers coming or even leaving the UK? In any other situation this would be deemed madness.

Meantime as we're sucking in all sorts of people from the EU and elsewhere, what's happening in their home countries? I mean these are all highly motivated, hard working, people who're clearly leaving their countries to come here for a better life so who's replacing them or is the slow demise of their home countries of no concern to anyone? Greek doctors and nurses are, for example, leaving the country in increasing numbers. Does anyone care what happens to the Greek health service or doesn't it matter? :shrug:

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Thanks! Senior moment ..

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Nigel Farage Hits Back Over Poster & Warsi Defection

http://www.lbc.co.uk/nigel-farage-live-132497

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what are the figures on ppl leaving to live and work abroad?

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Not sure what you mean but + 1,000,000 is the net figure every 3 years - i.e. people who've entered the UK minus those who've left for whatever reason. Each year c. 1/3 of a million more people come to the UK than leave which is why the UK's population is growing so fast.

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Yes sorry I should have put the figure as net.

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Not if you're globalist at heart and your ultimate aim is a pool of cheap labour. How on earth are the Labour party being fooled by this?


And those who say the things that I have just said, are part of the 'Tin foil hat' brigade ;)

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Someone said earlier that Remain had taken a 3 point lead in the polls. Not according to this one 11-17 th of June.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...ading-11496203

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smoke and mirrors lies and deception, if they can convince people their side have already lost then they wont bother voting on Thursday[power to the people]lets stick it to the man ;)

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Nissan are suing Vote Leave for incorrectly quoting them and using their logo: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7091556.html

Kinda pointless. The campaign will be wound-up by the time it sees the inside of a court room.

Also, as Gove will no doubt agree, many of the executives at Nissan are experts on their company and thus rather ignorant of it.

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I am not convinced. I still think the demographics favour Leave. The polls might be finding it hard reaching working class people in areas that have struggled for years and who don't usually vote in General Elections.

The last week has seen fewer reports of Labour campaigners being alarmed. I suspect the amount of people who don't know Labour support Remain has dropped considerably.

The amount of people who felt Brexit would 'cost them personally' jumped up as well. I think Leave are struggling to keep coming up with rebuttals to the economic arguments now that they've taken centre-stage what with Leave being ahead. Osborne's Budget threat has probably worked too, when Leave said it was outrageous it still highlighted the idea of economic harm and moved immigration off the headlines which was hurting Remain badly. As you said before for Project Fear to work it has to seem possible, and the polls putting Leave ahead have definitely made it seem possible.

Still I think it's very close and Leave might edge past due to a more motivated electorate.

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Even BRUSSELS pours scorn on Project Fear: Juncker REFUSES to endorse PM's scaremongering

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...t-Project-Fear

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Presumably because he can see it hasn't worked ...

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The fact is those wanting us to say in will say anything to get us to do so. All that matters to them is that we stay in and they get to further erode our right to chose. If that means lying they will. If it means contradicting themselves they will. Their only interest is subduing those who disagree by any means they can. We don't matter to them, we're just a small part of the grand scheme and if we don't get out of this madness we're going to regret it.

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I want out but the leave campaign has totally screwed it up and out of the two groups I think they had the easier route but momentum has definitely shifted away from leave and while Jo Cox's murder was terrible and my thoughts are with her family it should not be a factor in this referendum.

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I was in Hounslow today, and was confronted by REMAIN campaigners. And they gave me the usual rubbish leaflets.

I said to them answer my questions.
Why should MY TAX money be spent on Europe, in its MILLIONS per day, and we only get so much back.

And they couldn't answer it. Then l said, that recently, we had that Brussels Court had overruled a decision made by OUR SUPREME COURT, regarding several killers that have been allowed into the UK. And they must stay here.

And about DC last night on question time last night. They couldn't answer any of them. And would you believe that three men from different countries said they were voting Leave.

We MUST take over our OWN Borders, and not to be told what to do by Brussels. We must be allowed to control Migrants coming into this country.

If the have a job, and can prove it. Then they can come in.

We must do what Australia has done. Stop them coming into the country.

The UK is a soft touch. And Corbyn, should be ashamed of himself. Even my MP, who is Labour, says she is voting remain.

I thought that Labour stood for the working class.

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Sadly Arthur, since that MP was killed, anyone wanting to leave is now viewed as a fascist racist bigot. Thankfully, I sent my postal vote in weeks before this happened because otherwise I would be scared to vote leave on Thursday.

I hear rumours that we have a state visit to Downing Street on Thursday of one Mr. Robert Mugabe. (JUST JOKING BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON ME)

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http://www.retailresearch.org/whosegonebust.php

A list of stores gone bust over the years....too many to list but the simple answer is where was the stronger in the EU when all these shops/stores went under.

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That small group would vote leave anyway, Farage must have known he'd only hinder the campaign he's to shrewd not to but his ego got the better of him, like all politicians he put himself above what's best for everyone else

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Course they know, they spend fortunes on polls and keep the results to themselves just so they can bet on it

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Was there an official move endorsing remain for Nissan? I seem to remember them wading in via press release that leant towards remaining and that they're better off in the EU but can't remember if they chose sides. Still a pretty daft move by Leave.