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Arsene Wenger has come out with his excuse for not winning the premiership - the pitches are too bad and the weather is too cold.

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Awww man!! Link please, PLEASE!! :D

At least SAF is honest in his... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/4484497.stm

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it's UEFA fault for bowing down to the clubs in the first place. The champion of each league in Europe.. be it TNS or Inter Bratislava should qualify for the group stages. If UEFA want to have second and third placed teams playing then they should all be forced to qualify

even better would be to go back to the old pre 92 format and just have home and away with the winners of each league in UEFA entered all others go into the UEFA Cup

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Well, just my luck, I've had a £1 each on Lampard and Riise for either to be the first scorer and both fluffed big time :fit: :knock: Come on lads, sort it out :rolleyes:

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Latest prices for the Champs league...

8/11 Mee-lan
2/1 Chelsea
9/2 Liverpool
28/1 PSV

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Oh well :(

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Best time to file if there was one. You're down anyway so teh 10 pts make no odds, no double jeopardy next season. Gives a chance to cut the costs, get a buyer in, and rebuild for next season, without the threat of neither admin, nor a 10 point deduction.

It's not a good thing to happen to any club, but if there is a time, just after relegation when you still have games is far from the worst.

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Yep, if it has to be done, this season is the time to do it, only thing is the club need a quarter of a million to stay afloat through the close season or it will close, the directors are asking the fans to dip in their pockets once again, t*****s.

Today we heard from one director that the club is safe, only to be told later from the chairman it was entering into administration, this can only happen at Cambridge United.

I sincerely hope the administrators find some dodgy dealing's and that the director's are bought to book about it all.

All I can say is the fans are very agitated by it all.

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As I maybe should have said... it's not a fate I'd wish on anyone not even Direby C*nty... but, the timing is spot on.

Let's hope you recover... IIRC, Aldershot were the last English side to go through, and that was about 1991.

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There is a phone in tonight on the local radio station between 6pm & 7pm, just click the listen live link.

The fans asking the director who purchased the ground some questions, it should be quite entertaining :D

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How politically savvie are you football nuts.

Here is a little quiz to test your abilitiies, I know you will google so go ahead.

1. Of the 92 Premier and Football League clubs in England and Wales, only seven are located in Conservative-held constituencies. Can you name them?

2. Only one of the present 20 Premiership grounds is not in a Labour-held constituency. Which one?

3. Which Premiership 'constituencies' are represented by the Home and Foreign secretaries?

4. Which neighbouring clubs are in the constituencies of the previous Home Secretary and the present Minister for Sport?

5. Which Premiership club have a manager with the same surname as their outgoing MP?

6. Which League Two club is in the only constituency in England that was not won by one of the three major parties at the last election?

7. Which League One club has an MP named Rooney?

8. Who were the last club to win the FA Cup under a Conservative government?

9. Name the four present Labour frontbenchers who share a surname with an FA Cup finalist from the years since Tony Blair came to power in 1997.

10. Name the three post-War England internationals who share a surname with a post-War British Prime Minister.


Going out now but will check back later.:)

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1. Of the 92 Premier and Football League clubs in England and Wales, only seven are located in Conservative-held constituencies. Can you name them?
forest... don't care about the other six

2. Only one of the present 20 Premiership grounds is not in a Labour-held constituency. Which one?
Probably chelsea/fulham?

3. Which Premiership 'constituencies' are represented by the Home and Foreign secretaries?
Blackburn and Norwich

4. Which neighbouring clubs are in the constituencies of the previous Home Secretary and the present Minister for Sport?
Blackburn and Bolton

5. Which Premiership club have a manager with the same surname as their outgoing MP?

6. Which League Two club is in the only constituency in England that was not won by one of the three major parties at the last election?

7. Which League One club has an MP named Rooney?

8. Who were the last club to win the FA Cup under a Conservative government?

Man U in 96

9. Name the four present Labour frontbenchers who share a surname with an FA Cup finalist from the years since Tony Blair came to power in 1997.

10. Name the three post-War England internationals who share a surname with a post-War British Prime Minister.

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One of my mate's from school has just come on for Stoke :cool: Second time this season...

Martin Patterson - can't say I ever liked the guy much, gave him some beatings at 5 a side, but it's still cool that's hes on :)

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Chelsea.....champions? Now that's just wrong.

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So is Gary Megson :(

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but they didn't really win it they bought it.. if United don't buy big in the summer can't see us winning our trophy back next year either

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and my did i wonder how long it would be before that old chestnut reared its ugly head :dozey:

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Congratulations should be in order. ;)

It just looks like sour grapes otherwise ;) :D

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funny i was thinking the same , how many times have man u 'bought' the premiership or whatever trophy and it has been ok , like you said , sour grapes :D :D :D

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Who gives a **** about the Prem. That dream will have to wait 2 years at least :( i need a drink

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That old chestnut eh? ;)
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are you sure its not a lifetime you need ;) :D :D :D :D

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Oh I don't know, you tell me, when did we last 'buy' the premiership?

ANY club having £200 million spent on players will win the title.

Put it this way - Chelsea didn't win it, Abramovich did.

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£200m for a shiny piece of slverware, well done Chelski. :D

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Possibly is, but notice I said "2 years at least", it can happen after 2 years but not before.

Man City came straight back up, then went straight up to the Prem... but countless other sides are still down there.

I don't know what's going to happen, it depends on whether Megson's here and what happens to the spineless players. They need a fire-sale to get rid of all the crap but I dunno who'll have them.

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now now Paul, i thought you was a better accountant than that, £20-30m cannot be compared to £200m, United have never bought success, the players have wanted to play for the club, think you are sucking the sour grapes m8. :D

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Man U have bought things though.

Transfer expenses:
2004-5 20m (one player!)
2003-4 52.7m
2002-3 31.5m (2 players)
2001-2 22m (3 players)
1999-2000 10m
1998-99 4.4m
1997-98 15.75m (2 players)
1996-97 3.5m (1 player)

Taking into account that's likely to cover the bulk of the team that's a total of... 160m- not including players signed before 1996 (eg Keane 3.5m)

Chelsea have basically built their side over 2 seasons, spending just over 200m. That's not much more. And they don't have the advantage of a good academy, although they have invested in that as well. What they have done, is bought British and Irish though (Duff, Cole, Johnson, Parker, Lampard for example). They've also spent wisely unlike the extortionate sums Munich have spent on crap like Taibi, Silvestre etc etc.

All Chelsea have done is taken two seasons to build a side other teams have taken a bit longer to do. In fact, it's a miracle it's all gelled so quickly.

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But we spent not nearly that much over a period of 12 years, while Chelsea, 2.

I'm sure that I've told you before, don't call us Munich :2up: What would you say if I started taking the p!ss out of Brian Clough dying eh? (Not that I am, just an example)

Back on topic...Before Abramovich, it's not like Chelsea hadn't spent unwisely was it?

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That's the last time you refer to Manchester United as 'Munich' here, agreed?

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A time span of a number of years not two seasons.

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Talk about being selective, that was my point.

Chelsea have spent in two seasons what Utd have spent in several. But, they've still built a side capable of winning the title.

All they've done, is built their side faster. In fact, it's a miracle they've gelled this quickly.
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The way that you put it was that Utd have spent the same as utd, regardless of the time period, but we pointed out that utd was over a period of years, as opposed to Chelsea. If you meant otherwise, you should have been a bit more clearer in your first post.

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Yes, you did. I've yet to hear you or anyone else refer to Liverpool as "Hillsborough".

I do.

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Like Russ, said, it's like someone calling Liverpool, Heysel or Hillsborough, or Bradford the name of the stand that burnt down, you muppet. Disrespectful to the dead. :2up:

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I would have done... seeing as that cost us the FA cup I would have reason to. Still can't see how you Utd fans get so wound up about it though. Especially seeing how on the worst day of our history... I'm pretty entitled to be ****ed off.
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If you had read my initial post properly you would have noticed I'd said:
"All Chelsea have done is taken two seasons to build a side other teams have taken a bit longer to do."

Which kinda implies what I had to follow up with... :)

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People died, but it's only a bad day to you as Forest didn't go through to the final eh?

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No you wouldn't.

Your teaming getting knocked out of the FA Cup is justification for bringing up the tragic deaths of 96 people? I don't think so.

Do you have ANY compassion at all?

Fine, just don't drag us all down with you.

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Afraid I did read it right. You just need to be a bit more clearer with what you say.

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Apols if I'm getting worked up here...
Yes I would.

Seeming as we probably would have won teh initial tie, then yes... as it cost us the chance of a cup final (the only thing BC [RIP] didn't win), it affected our players immensely... and it was the attitude of a few liverpool supporters that ruined it.

Trust me on this one... the vast majority of forest fans are still touche about Hillsborough. Most of us can't stand Liverpool, partly from the late 70s/early 90s, partly for Hillsborough. I was only 5ish when it happened but the resentment is still pretty massive...

fair play about the 96 dead... but it still causes a problem with fans.

How many people died in Munich... and still, 10 years later you were still good enough to win the champions league.

Fair enough but the obituaries, and attitudes of other fans, are p!ssing me off, even though I've accepted this for months.

And really, that's all I have to say.

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No you won't. Put it this way, you do that and I'll edit your posts.


Maybe - but not on cf.co.uk

Irrelevant.

You know where the 'report this post' feature is.

Good.

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I'm sure that the people who died at Hillsborough are so sorry that they spoilt Forest's trip to Wembley.

Oh and by the way, you might not have realised, but me and Russ are Man Utd fans, who don't generally have any nice feelings towards Liverpool. But we still wouldn't call Liverpool about the deaths.

I think that this debate was caused by your insensitive attitude towards the Munich disaster.

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:tu:

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Oh Dear, you just cannot help yourself can you ?

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Enough. Back to the subject of Football please, all of you.

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shame the 'boro' didnt beat liverpool today :(

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I think we should give nffc some leeway after all his team did just get relegated
Hell how would you feel is it happend to you.

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Extremely p****d off is how I feel atm, even though we have seen it coming for months :bigcry:

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init... we need a kick up the ar*e to be honest. Play garbage in the league and do well in europe, and to cap it all off, if we win the champions league and not finish 4th, we wont get chance to defend the trophy.

nffc: I was 7 at the time of Hillsborough, and I thought it was a tragedy at the time and still do - nobody deserved what happened to them that day. I know many many people who feel the same as I do (and no, they're not all Liverpool fans). Do you always show the same level of maturity that I have seen grace this board over the past few weeks?

As a Liverpool fan, there is no love lost when it comes to United, but I would never comment on what happened in Munich... that is just sick.

I usually use names like Manure and stuff instead ;) but errrrm... seeing as we're below Everton at the moment, I'll shut up now :disturbd:

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How many... even last week I was clinging to the mere morsel of hope by beating Burnley. Cardiff away was the turning point for me though.

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the thing is while United were spending this money so were Chelsea.. not got there stats for the same period but they spend then plus 200m in the last 2 years.. that is the difference

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Yeah, but very few of the Chelsea players they signed then are still there, and very few of the ones left are still active. Gudjohnsen and Lampard possibly the only two I can think of.

In any case, there was evidence the Chelsea coffers had dried up pre-RA. The close-season before, only one free signing had been made- Jurgen Macho... hardly illustrious. Yet they still finished fourth.

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When I say enough, I do actually mean it. I have removed the arguments since my warning yesterday. Please play nice now people and refer to each others teams respectfully, otherwise this topic will suffer relegation to division "closed". Thank you :)

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Well tomorrow you get the best of both worlds football and eye candy
When then Everton take on Charlton Athletic.in the Women's FA Cup
Final (Kick off is at 1pm on bbc 2.) :dmonk:

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This made me laugh when I saw it last week. He's not exactly in the strongest position to be demanding anything like that ;) :D

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Is there any major cup matches today?

Because missing one husband-not been since 11.20 this morning... ;)

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Who does he support. The games have been:
- Charlton v M (from London)
- Spurs v Aston V (from London)
- Hoofin' Festa (Leicester City) v Leeds Utd [Admin Edit] (Neil) nffc - do not post offensive comments like that again.

- Aberdeen v Rangers

That's all i can think of.

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That "relegation" word must be talk of the town in Nottingham right now :p:

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They don't ring a bell.He's a Pompey supporter although frankly he's interested in any form of sport apart from ice skating and and that synchronised swimming thing...

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The world championship snooker final is on at the moment. Maybe he's watching that

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He can watch that at home..besides he's missed Malcom in the Middle and he NEVER misses that... :D First time in months I've not been forced to watch it. ;)

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Congrats to Chelsea but they did buy the title whilst Man Utd who have spent money, did so over many years whilst building a strong team.

Utd have been the most consistant performers in the league judging by titles won, not just over a season but back to back and three in a row.

Thats what made them just not good but awesome.

Yes Chelsea have won the title but can they win it back to back?

Defending the title is a different story which wasn't difficult for Utd when they were so dominate.

Oh and if Chelsea do win the CL it ain't a proper treble! ;)

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4504869.stm
What a load of tosh (putting it mildly), Wayne Rooney has not done anything lately that he didnt do 6,7 8 months ago. Why invite him in the first place when he`s always been like he is. I`m not condoning the abusive language to refs but if you take out the aggresiveness out of Rooneys game then he will not be the great player he is.
When Cantona was given community service, he worked with kids and I didnt see many people objecting to that.
At the moment, it seems to be lets all try and grind Wayne Rooney down until he`s just an ordinary player. Imo, carry on playing the way you are Wayne, thats why you are going to be an Old Trafford legend.

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i can see their point though, he does have a problem with bad behaviour and it does not set a good example for youngsters and people who watch football then emulate what he does.

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Maybe, but why invite him then, he was the same when he was invited, why change their minds now ?
Its the same with every good player in this country, lets knock them down.

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i dont know maybe the media plays its role in showing him in a bad light.

thats been happening for years, the more sucessful and talented you are the more people will try and take you down or out.

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I don't know why they are targetting Rooney when there is others in the game who do exactly the same!!! :mad:

How many times do you see other players from other teams swearing?

Think of all the bad boys in football who do this also...he ain't the only one!!

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But to be fair, Rooney is an exceptional talent and is idolised as such by many youngsters. There are plenty of other great players but very few who kids can relate to as easily due to his age for example. For this reason I can't complain about their decision - he is very foul mouthed and kids will emulate him.

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This made me laugh (if true). Okay, they shouldn't have been advertising the return of Robbie Savage, but presumably that wasn't the only reason that the fans turned up for the match, they would have turned up as normal? :)

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I quite agree, there's Alan Smith for one. Sent off on England debut IIRC. Rooney only ever got as far as being substituted for his own good. And he hasn't deliberately tried to end someone's career and then boasted about it*, or kicked a fan**, or punched an international team mate***, or kicked a ball at a fan****, or become the first England player sent off at Wembley*****.

So there are lots of people worse than Rooney. It's lucky he's not at the same club as them, really, or they'd be a really bad influence on him. Oh, hang on.

*Keane
**Cantona
***Keane again
****G. Neville
*****Scholes

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Spitting at an opponent ******
elbowing an opponent *******
punched an international team mate ********
fighting in the street *********

****** Vieira
******* Bergkamp
******** Ljungberg
********* Quincy

:sleep:

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Also;
Paul Davis- Breaking Glen Cockerills jaw
Peter Story-Jailed for counterfeit gold coins
Tony adams-jailed for drink driving
Ian wright-banned for 3 games for punching David Howells
Ray Parlour-arrested after a punch up with taxi driver
George Graham-banned from football for 12 months for bungs
Graham Rix- jailed for sex offences

And there`s plenty more......

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Or go out on the **** and be rowdy...

* Alan Rogers
* David Johnson
* John Thompson
* Wes Morgan
* plus eight...
Darryl Powell**
** sent off after 30 mins

Every club has its nobs seems they've all collected up on Trentside

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He wasn't mates with Mickey Thomas was he? :p:

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Mickey Thomas now works for Century Fm and does a nightly programme called legends with Alan Kennedy, Gary Owen and Graham Sharp. Very good footbal phone-in.

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Guess that was to difficult ( or boring and couldn't be arsed) for you all.;)

Here are the answers anyway.

1) Nottingham Forest, Boston United, Peterborough United, Macclesfield Town, Southend United, Wycombe Wanderers, Bournemouth.
2) Portsmouth (Lib Dem).
3) Blackburn Rovers (Jack Straw), Norwich City (Charles Clarke).
4) Sheffield Wednesday (David Blunkett), Sheffield United (Richard Caborn)
5) Fulham (Iain and Chris Coleman).
6) Kidderminster Harriers (Independent, Kidderminster Hospital and Health Concern).
7) Bradford City (Terry Rooney).
8) Manchester United (1996 - the 1997 final was two weeks after the election).
9) Charles Clarke (Steve, Chelsea 1997), Paul Boateng (George, Aston Villa 2000), Paul Murphy (Danny, Liverpool 2001), Gordon Brown (Wes, Man Utd 2004).
10) Ray Wilson, Ian Callaghan, Mark Chamberlain. To complete the picture, the other non-Labour 'football constituencies' are: Portsmouth, Leicester City, Chesterfield, Colchester United, Torquay United, Cheltenham Town, Yeovil Town (all Lib Dem), Kidderminster Harriers (KHHC), Shrewsbury Town (Labour defected to Lib Dems).

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OK I feel very unclean for saying this and it sure ain't gonna happen again but.......










......it is vital that Liverpool win tonight :disturbd:

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Was that over the line:D

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Who cares, it would have been a penalty with the keeper sent off otherwise.:D

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That's ok Russ, You can have a wash after the match ;)

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Come on Liverpool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

















































Awwww man I need to be scrubbed down for this!

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Come on Scouse!!!! I sense a Chelsea goal coming VERY soon though..... :(

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Watch it from behind, it was more a baros foul TBH. Cech's eyes were on the ball.

Chelsea are unlucky to not get anything from this - they have been the far better side..

TBH, i'd even prefer liverpool to win but we need chelsea to stuff those slimey scummy iti's in the final...

You'd say pool had a chance in the final after watching this game cos there defence was immense....... but it's such a big rival game, pool had to win them. Liverpool can't do this in the final

Man we need chelsea in the final :(

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Are you serious?!? For the good of football we want them nowhere NEAR the final!

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I feel ill, dirty...I'll have to do penance because of this...




:D :D :D :D

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Yes!!!!!

Yes yes yes yesssssssss!!!

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Proper mixed emotions here :(:):(:)

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:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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I can't wait until tomorrow!!!

I can go back to hating the scouse. But until then, good on them for stopping Chelsea believing they can buy success at a whim :D

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You have to say good effort to the scousers there, and I look forward to supporting them in the final (I'd have supported Chelsea, too, but I'd have had to bath afterwards.

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OMFG!! WE're in the final!!!! Yeah!!! jeez another 90 mins left

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Six minutes extra time :shocked: , must have been using Fergie's watch.;)

What sour grapes from Jose, " the best time lost" as they say in cricket, look in the book.:p:

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Well done to Liverpool.

Where on earth did those six minutes of added time come from, maybe Mourinho had a word with the ref at half time.

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What do you expect from the newly-crowned Most Arrogant Man in Football?

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When is the final ?
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The best team did lose though ;) I commend liverpools defence however.

Should of been more extra time TBH. Them two ****'s who ran on the pitch easily used 4 minutes, and then the subs, treatement.....

The time before the 90th minute is the best to play football and score, it's rushed after the 90th.,

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In that case, there was no point in adding more ET since it was all rushed etc.

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Best team, :) only one shot of any significance, (Lampards free kick) on target all night.
Would you want, Drogba, Kezman, Tiago, Gallas, Geremi's (sp), in your team. Sorry forgot, you support Stoke.:p:

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What is this. The best team lost. Rubbish. The best team won. Liverpool.Chelsea lost because they could not penetrate Livepool's defence. The only time they did was in extra time and missed. The attack was just no good. I like Chelsea and Liverpool. But Liverpool were better on the night. Good luck in the final. By the way I support my local team Pompey. ;) ;) :)