Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36061845)

I think this country is resilient enough to work through whatever the consequences of No Deal might be. I think we need to bring it on now, work through the initial problems and then see what new negotiations throw up some time next year. Given HMG’s consistent willingness to characterise its negotiating position as unalterable because that’s what Brexit voters demanded, I predict next spring their position won’t have changed. The EU, however, might be more willing if it starts to see us sourcing goods from elsewhere in the world where costs and tariffs are lower.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36061858)

The word unprecedented has been worn out this year, but it's quite unusual for a country to be negotiating down from a level of closeness and integration to a trading bloc as oppose to negotiating up from WTO terms. The latter is psychologically easier as you won't be losing anything.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36061858)

The word unprecedented has been worn out this year, but it's quite unusual for a country to be negotiating down from a level of closeness and integration to a trading bloc as oppose to negotiating up from WTO terms. The latter is psychologically easier as you won't be losing anything.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36061865)

:confused:
So the USSR didn't split up, along with Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ethiopia, etc?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36061870)

I'm not sure that the various wars in Yugoslavia after the war could be deemed called trade negotiations.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36061864)

Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36061875)

We cede sovereignty all the time from paying taxes to not setting off nuclear bombs all over the place. We do this willingly if there is a clear benefit or unwillingly if the consequences of not complying are worse than the ceding of sovereignty itself.

What will become clearer over the next few months is if the warm fuzzy feeling of 'our' out of touch politicians making decisions is better than 'foreign' out of touch politicians is worth it

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36061876)

But we will be able to change 'our' out of touch politicians with a different set of out of touch politicians.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36061879)

You can also do that with the EU parliament - there are elections.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36061879)

A movable feast these Brexit deadlines. All the ones Theresa May had. Bozzo's last absolute deadline was mid October, then there's been about another 20 deadlines since then. Latest one in Sunday but now we're told it might not be.....

If we were confident and genuine about no deal the deadline wouldn't have shifted once...

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36061879)

You can also do that with the EU parliament - there are elections.

A movable feast these Brexit deadlines. All the ones Theresa May had. Bozzo's last absolute deadline was mid October, then there's been about another 20 deadlines since then. Latest one in Sunday but now we're told it might not be.....

If we were confident and genuine about no deal the deadline wouldn't have shifted once...

Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36061880)

Our representative on the Council too

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36061882)

Yes. It says - we need them.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36061882)

Yes. It says - we need them.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36061885)

or maybe the EU say "hang on, don't walk away, give us a month to try to sort our end out" :p: