Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

So what do we reakon might still happen?

I think we could see the EU conceding a bit on the level playing field and Britain then giving Macron what he wants on fish and then that would pretty much be it.

Hugh	10-12-2020 21:50

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36061767)

I agree, but if that happens, wait for the cries of "betrayal!".

1andrew1

10-12-2020 22:32

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36061768)

I agree, but if that happens, wait for the cries of "betrayal!".

BoJo's wise enough to know that there will be many in the Leave ranks who will call any deal a betrayal but that a deal will be better for his re-election chances.

jonbxx

11-12-2020 10:36

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36061757)

What’s the difference between an "Australian-style option" deal and No Deal?

There seem to be a few bits and bobs going on between the EU and Australia;

The 1994 Agreement Relating to Scientific and Technical Cooperation between the European Community and Australia (entered into force 25 July 1994);
The 1998 Agreement on Mutual Recognition in relation to Conformity Assessment, Certificates and Markings between the European Community and Australia (entered into force 1 January 1999), amended in 2012;
The 2008 Agreement between the European Community and Australia on Trade in Wine (entered into force 1 September 2010);
The 2010 Agreement between the European Union and Australia on the Security of Classified Information (entered into force 1 July 2011);
The 2011 Euratom-Australia Agreement for Cooperation in the Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy (entered into force 1 January 2012);
The 2012 Agreement between the European Union and Australia on the processing and transfer of Passenger Name Record (PNR) data by air carriers to the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service (entered into force 1 June 2012);
The 2015 Agreement between the European Union and Australia Establishing a Framework for the Participation of Australia in EU Crisis Management Operations (entered into force 1 October 2015).

From here - https://eeas.europa.eu/headquarters/...alia-and-eu_en

Hugh	11-12-2020 10:39

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36061825)

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Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
What’s the difference between an "Australian-style option" deal and No Deal?

There seem to be a few bits and bobs going on between the EU and Australia;

The 1994 Agreement Relating to Scientific and Technical Cooperation between the European Community and Australia (entered into force 25 July 1994);
The 1998 Agreement on Mutual Recognition in relation to Conformity Assessment, Certificates and Markings between the European Community and Australia (entered into force 1 January 1999), amended in 2012;
The 2008 Agreement between the European Community and Australia on Trade in Wine (entered into force 1 September 2010);
The 2010 Agreement between the European Union and Australia on the Security of Classified Information (entered into force 1 July 2011);
The 2011 Euratom-Australia Agreement for Cooperation in the Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy (entered into force 1 January 2012);
The 2012 Agreement between the European Union and Australia on the processing and transfer of Passenger Name Record (PNR) data by air carriers to the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service (entered into force 1 June 2012);
The 2015 Agreement between the European Union and Australia Establishing a Framework for the Participation of Australia in EU Crisis Management Operations (entered into force 1 October 2015).

From here - https://eeas.europa.eu/headquarters/...alia-and-eu_en

Here’s hoping we get those things that happened over a period of 25 years in the next three weeks...

Carth

11-12-2020 11:23

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We're still part of that for 3 weeks, no reason why the original 'deals' can't be amended with a couple of name changes . . . unless the EU kicks off about it ;)

Hugh	11-12-2020 12:00

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36061834)

We're still part of that for 3 weeks, no reason why the original 'deals' can't be amended with a couple of name changes . . . unless the EU kicks off about it ;)

That's not how any of this works....

daveeb

11-12-2020 12:35

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36061838)

That's not how any of this works....

It is when those sunlit uplands are just around the corner :rolleyes:

Sephiroth

11-12-2020 12:43

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I've been thinking about all this having watched the former Australian PM on QT last night.

He said that one of the struggles, which he accepted in his day, with negotiating a trade deal with EU (which hasn't yet happened) is the matter of agricultural products. He acknowledged that the UK could face the same issue as a third country - protection for the EU's agricultural sector. Australia has no expectation of quota/tariff free trade.

Wind forward to what the UK initially hoped for: quota and tariff free trade with the EU. This then pulls in the extra price the EU wants the UK to pay for the privilege. Remember, the Canada Deal is not totally tariff/quota free.

The UK finds the price that the EU wants to charge is unacceptable on sovereignty grounds. Fair enough. So, we can't have a tariff/quota free deal.

But then they originally offered a Canada type deal but have now withdrawn that offer. The UK, apparently, would be content with the Canada deal. But the EU has created an artificial objection that our proximity to the EU rules that out - which is where the punishment aspect applies.

In other words, they are baddies and sod 'em.

Chris

11-12-2020 12:51

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I think this country is resilient enough to work through whatever the consequences of No Deal might be. I think we need to bring it on now, work through the initial problems and then see what new negotiations throw up some time next year. Given HMG’s consistent willingness to characterise its negotiating position as unalterable because that’s what Brexit voters demanded, I predict next spring their position won’t have changed. The EU, however, might be more willing if it starts to see us sourcing goods from elsewhere in the world where costs and tariffs are lower.

1andrew1

11-12-2020 12:54

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36061844)

But the EU has created an artificial objection that our proximity to the EU rules that out - which is where the punishment aspect applies.

It's not artificial, Seph, it's a geographical fact which means the amount of trade between the UK and EU is far more significant than between Canada and the EU. It's also why over 1m UK citizens have homes in Spain and why lorries from the UK make constant trips to the Continent.

Carth

11-12-2020 13:00

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36061834)

We're still part of that for 3 weeks, no reason why the original 'deals' can't be amended with a couple of name changes . . . unless the EU kicks off about it ;)

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36061838)

That's not how any of this works....

oh . . well stuff the Aussies too then :D

Chris

11-12-2020 13:07

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I don’t know, Australian Rules Brexit might be fun, especially if there’s a punch up just before half time ...

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