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Nice answer Den, maybe everyone will now stop knocking the Government? ;)

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We'll get better at managing them as time goes on and the "moles" should become smaller.

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It's right to hold those in power to account, more so when our figures are so poor compared to our peers in Europe. So it's right to praise them when they do things right and to point out when they appear to be doing things wrong so the lessons are learnt.

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No ones knocking it as governments have to be questioned and scrutinised as that is part of the democratic process.

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I would like someone to scrutinise these scientists and their advice, pluss i would like to see the science that comes up with all this lockdown advice,something written down would be nice not just ohh lets lock up old people and shut the pubs,because it's all sounding like a load of old bollocks to me:(

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Right, I'll take your word for it then ;)


Only because I really can't be bothered to trawl back through the many threads & posts on the forum, looking for those 'choice' words and phrases used by some to 'question or scrutinise' the Government :D

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Key words being “help avoid”.

Yes, we all want to avoid a second lockdown. However if these proposed measures don’t work back into lockdown we go. It’s inevitable.

It’s notable that the language throughout doesn’t rule it out.

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So no actual specific evidence to the contrary.:rolleyes:
LinkTests can also be requested over the phone.

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Innocent until proven guilty is the law in this country at the moment. There is insufficient evidence to prove or disprove it. I cited an independent fact-checking service, not a right-wing tabloid.

The point of a drop-in centre is you drop in, it's not Deliveroo. As Hugh pointed out, the Government has sadly back-pedalled on is commitment to test all in care homes for coronavirus this summer.

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So, much like the English abroad then?

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The "British" culture referred to is best viewed through a set of myopic, Empire tinted spectacles :)

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Not really. The idea is to prevent intermingling!

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Yes, but criticising the government at every turn, and before the full picture is known is plain destructive. A report will be commissioned, but it is too early to draw conclusions on how well or how badly this country is doing.

I'm not sure why you still compare the number of deaths due to Covid in the UK with those of other countries, when it has already been pointed out that each country gathers and presents its data differently. How can you sensibly compare our figures, which records all Covid deaths whether in hospitals, care homes or the community, when others are only counting hospital deaths, for example?

Even counting excess deaths isn't without its problems - 21,000 deaths have occurred due to postponement of operations and other measures imposed by the lockdown arrangements.

Any idiot can criticise - this is a highly complex issue and even the scientists are struggling to come up with appropriate and timely responses. The government has been following their advice throughout, like it or not.

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Must be really depressing to hate yourself so much.

I, on the other hand, love being a white British working/middle class male.

I perceive my “culture” as being polite, tolerant of others, freedom of choice, thought and speech. Fighting for what is right, not being bullied, Promotion of women rights LGBTQ Rights, BAME rights ( don’t like The acronym BAME, but there we are), as a nation Supporting developing countries.

Many of these ideas not shared by immigrant communities.

We have a past, of course, you could certainly argue a lot of it exploitative, but we also built infrastructure, and brought wealth and knowledge. A lot of which is still utilised by these nations.

I don’t carry the burden of previous generations Questionable actions on my shoulders, But I do recognise many of their achievements. Am I biased, of course I am, and I don’t care.

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I do not hate my self. Once you start with the personal ad-hominem attacks then you have pretty much lost the argument. So thank you for your post ..

You list a set of virtuous traits that represent your perceived "culture" but the end of the political spectrum you seem to affiliate yourself to is dedicated to the opposite so you seem to be a contradiction.

You also aim to validate Colonialism by the perceived benefits the occupier gave to the occupied. You clearly abdicate yourself and your "culture" of any negative aspects associated with Empire but are more that willing to claim its "benefits". A wonderful smorgasboard of contradiction.

Nothing for me to prove here. All people need to do is to read your posts .. the evidence is all there.

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It’s certainly veered right...