Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Was the interview about Phorm? Any idea which station?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I have no idea and it would have been rude to ask.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Definitely too well brought up to associate with phormites....;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

its to late for morning tea now Capt, your going to have to make do with afternoon tea and crumpets :angel:

http://www.squidoo.com/crumpets_club
http://sippingtea.com/etiquette.html
http://search.virginmedia.com/result...tryUK&x=39&y=9

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I find that English Breakfast Tea really hits the spot and helps me to relax.

There's some Harrods EB and Ceylon tea in my cupboard but I use those for special occasions, favourite visitors and the like.

And as for crumpet... oh, sorry, I didn't see the extra "s" there :) But now you've got me thinking about food... :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If anyone is thinking of jumping ship to a LLU ADSL provider, BT appear to be doing a special offer on new connections.

See http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/p...o/SNL21-08.pdf

It appears to be an 18 month subscription though.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The Phorm hardware is on the outbound request, not the inbound response, though I guess both will be going through the same switches.
Unless the site is signed up to OIX it will not suddenly be getting new OIX adverts. If it is subscribed to OIX then the adverts sent back from the OIX server will be targeted, not blanket.
This bit of your post is a little misleading, though to caveat this, it has been discussed that Phorm hardware does have the ability to modify response pages.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Jump ship to BT?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Not strictly true I am afraid. The Phorm system copies the entire web page to RAM for profiling, so they must be involved in the inbound response otherwise they would not be able to do that.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yep - your're right - just finished the morning coffee. I guess what I was trying to say was that while both are copied to the profiler only the outbound request is currently messed around with and 307 redirected to put the cookies on the requesting machine. The inbound response, while copied to the profiler is currently sent to the user unaltered. The OP was indicating that the Phorm applications could or would be replacing advertisments on the site they were viewing with Phorm/OIX adverts, this is not the case (as the technology currently stands).

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No, to a LLU provider e.g. Aquiss or BE. You still need a BT line, or am I mistaken?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yeah I agree with you there. However, historically (during the BT trials) it was used to do exactly that (insert javascripted ads into the response), so I think people can be forgiven for being concerned that it is likely to happen in the future through mission creep.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

There are some key details in the technical review of the current operation that I think are worth highlighting .

- Only port 80 is profiled. So I don't see why people should be worried about online banking and https traffic.

- The redirection between servers must be bad for performance, and even if people don't care much about ads they don't click on, they will care about anything that impacts performance.


Maybe in a prophylactic section.

- Only well known browsers are profiled. So it would be good advice to get the User Agent extension for FF or to use Opera.
- The effect of blocking cookies
- The dephormation FF addin.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If Phorm somehow manage to get Webwise approved by the courts and accepted by even 20% of it's intended victims, then I'd confidently expect News International to make a bid to buy the company rather than simply signup as a client.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Respectfully: How do you know this is all that they do? - This is what they say they do (now), but what else is going on? Unless you can get hands-on and disassemble their code (not exactly easy!), we have only their word for it. And we do know that they are a bunch of lying, spyware-purveying, Russian *******s. If they said "Here, download this neat little root kit, it will keep you safe and make you money" would you do it? What is the difference?