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Sephiroth 11-02-2023 22:55
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Oh well, your heads in the sand vs my forebodings.

ianch99 11-02-2023 23:54
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36145732)
:rolleyes: You do realise that not everything in the country is the result of a "Tory" policy.
No, but this is

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36145737)
Correct, but you'll get the usual " but I no better" from him.
But I am no better :D Don't agree with gambling ;)

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Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36145738)
Leicester: Hindus v Muslims
Seph was alluding to those between "Whites" and "Non-whites" i.e. a "Rivers of Blood" analog

TheDaddy 12-02-2023 00:03
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145739)
Don't you remember the Sharia Law no-go areas a few years ago? That thinking hasn't gone away.[COLOR="Silver"]
No because it was a steaming pile of bs, a few ********s with stickers, no more than that

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36145748)

Seph was alluding to those between "Whites" and "Non-whites" i.e. a "Rivers of Blood" analog
Interestingly the woman with the "dog poo through the door" did exist, I wrongly assumed he'd made her up

Pierre 12-02-2023 08:19
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36145735)
Evidence of "no go areas" in East London, please?
Plenty of “no go” areas in London, most major cities and towns. Not all down to immigration though.

TheDaddy 12-02-2023 08:44
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36145755)
Plenty of “no go” areas in London.
Name one

Sephiroth 12-02-2023 09:08
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quite a few people on the old "name one" trick. Their heads must be truly in the sand if they don't recall the Sharia no-go areas of a few years ago. What went on above ground then is stil doing nothing to integrate with British culture.

What do you people see when you briefly pop your heads out of the sand? Muslims integrating with Judeo-Christian Brits? The other way round? Hindus embracing Muslims as cultural equals? Somalians adopting British culture?

Or are you just being argumentatively woke?

ianch99 12-02-2023 10:11
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145757)
Quite a few people on the old "name one" trick. Their heads must be truly in the sand if they don't recall the Sharia no-go areas of a few years ago. What went on above ground then is stil doing nothing to integrate with British culture.

What do you people see when you briefly pop your heads out of the sand? Muslims integrating with Judeo-Christian Brits? The other way round? Hindus embracing Muslims as cultural equals? Somalians adopting British culture?

Or are you just being argumentatively woke?
What does "adopting British culture" mean, exactly?

Hugh 12-02-2023 10:12
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I agree with Sephiroth - there will never be integration with other cultures whilst there is a vociferous minority running about screaming about being oppressed and disadvantaged, putting forward flaky culture-war arguments about how badly they are treated and always being picked upon, and that everyone in the country should conform to their religious views - but that's enough about Farage and Seph... :)

"Judeo-Christian Brits"?

There goes that "dog whistle’ again…

https://theconversation.com/why-jude...ar-right-85922

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A right wing slogan

“Judeo-Christian” is now most often used to draw a line between imagined Christian values and a perceived (but false) threat of Muslim immigration. It’s in this context, that right wing figures such as Nigel Farage use the phrase. Talking about radical Muslim clerics such as Anjem Choudary, he said for example:

"My country is a Judeo-Christian country. So we’ve got to actually start standing up for our values."

But in this statement, Farage connects his fears of radical Islam with the idea of “Judeo-Christian values”. It appears that it isn’t so much about including Jews as it is about excluding Muslims. And since Farage has also come under attack for anti-Semitic comments, including being called on to apologise after recent comments about the threat of “the Jewish lobby” to American politics, it seems hard to view the “Judeo-” in his “Judeo-Christian” as actually valuing Jewish people or Judaism as a religion.
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Invoked in anti-immigration rhetoric with the goal of excluding Muslims, this phrase is actually used to scaffold a false narrative about Christians being persecuted, threatened or besieged, which gives motivation for the protection of “Judeo-Christian values”. In fact, Christians are not persecuted in the countries where Farage and Trump make their homes.

A quick search on Twitter for the phrase “Judeo-Christian” illustrates that white supremacists have embraced the term – and that Jews reject it.

It’s not surprising that many Jews are not falling for this dog-whistle phrase, especially since the myth of a Judeo-Christian society rests on the false – and dangerous – idea that Judaism and Christianity hold the same ideas and values.
https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/...-actually-mean

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Several prominent Jewish commentators have pointed out that the term elides the fact that Jews have often experienced persecution in Christian-majority European countries. After Donald Trump used the term in 2017, Rabbi Jill Jacobs wrote on Twitter that “much of ‘Judeo-Christian’ tradition involves centuries of Christians trying to kill us,” adding, “if you mean ‘not Muslim’ say it.”

ianch99 12-02-2023 10:20
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The 2023 Tories have finally, just about, got there:

Attachment 30371

Final task, change the name to complete the job.

Sephiroth 12-02-2023 11:03
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36145762)
I agree with Sephiroth - there will never be integration with other cultures whilst there is a vociferous minority running about screaming about being oppressed and disadvantaged, putting forward flaky culture-war arguments about how badly they are treated and always being picked upon, and that everyone in the country should conform to their religious views - but that's enough about Farage and Seph... :)

"Judeo-Christian Brits"?

There goes that "dog whistle’ again…

https://theconversation.com/why-jude...ar-right-85922


https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/...-actually-mean
Farage is spot on. He smells the coffee; he understands 9/11 and who did that; he understands how cultures without similarity don’t mix and when numbers reach a critical mass, problems arise.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36145761)
What does "adopting British culture" mean, exactly?
Sorry to put it this way, but, are you thick? Or just trying to trap me (again).

On the naive assumption that you are thick, and pardon the aggression to counter your passive aggression, British culture is all about the society (and its span) that has been built up over the centuries. It includes the effects of literature, democracy, sense of humour, sense of history and tolerance (up to a tipping point that we’re now passing).

I wonder what you’d say, assuming now that you’re not thick if the question was posed to you?

Smell the coffee.

ianch99 12-02-2023 11:39
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145766)
Sorry to put it this way, but, are you thick? Or just trying to trap me (again).

On the naive assumption that you are thick, and pardon the aggression to counter your passive aggression, British culture is all about the society (and its span) that has been built up over the centuries. It includes the effects of literature, democracy, sense of humour, sense of history and tolerance (up to a tipping point that we’re now passing).

I wonder what you’d say, assuming now that you’re not thick if the question was posed to you?

Smell the coffee.
I don't think I'm "thick" as you put it. The question I ask is the essential one here as it sets the context from which the complainant (you) is defining their world view.

You are equating "not adopting British culture" as just doing anything you object to. These people, from a myriad of countries, have their own cultural identities, literature, democracy, sense of humour, sense of history and tolerance, all of which are perfectly possible to be melded into ours. I think what you mean by "British culture" is some artificial Anglo-Saxon construct where "whiteness", being Christian, etc. is the (false) measure of conformity.

Remember that we invaded the lands where the majority of the people you object to come from, we subjugated them, stole their wealth and imposed our "British culture" on them. It is poetic karma that the position is now reversed.

Another thing to remember is the "British culture ... that has been built up over the centuries" is a direct result of waves of immigration, each, in turn, imposing its own cultural identity on the resident population.

GrimUpNorth 12-02-2023 11:40
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145766)
Farage is spot on. He smells the coffee; he understands 9/11 and who did that; he understands how cultures without similarity don’t mix and when numbers reach a critical mass, problems arise.

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Sorry to put it this way, but, are you thick? Or just trying to trap me (again).

On the naive assumption that you are thick, and pardon the aggression to counter your passive aggression, British culture is all about the society (and its span) that has been built up over the centuries. It includes the effects of literature, democracy, sense of humour, sense of history and tolerance (up to a tipping point that we’re now passing).

I wonder what you’d say, assuming now that you’re not thick if the question was posed to you?

Smell the coffee.
Did you conveniently forget to include religion, migration, foreign cultural influences etc in your list?

TheDaddy 12-02-2023 12:46
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145757)
Quite a few people on the old "name one" trick. Their heads must be truly in the sand if they don't recall the Sharia no-go areas of a few years ago. What went on above ground then is stil doing nothing to integrate with British culture.

What do you people see when you briefly pop your heads out of the sand? Muslims integrating with Judeo-Christian Brits? The other way round? Hindus embracing Muslims as cultural equals? Somalians adopting British culture?

Or are you just being argumentatively woke?
I'm just concerned that working all over London from evening till morning I might get a callout in a no go area and then what, I mean I've only been doing it 15 years without any issue but I need to know where these no go areas are so I can demand danger money for going in them

Head in the sand :rofl: that's a good one coming from someone terrified the muslims are coming to get him based on a sticker on a lamp post because make no mistake that's what the sharia no go zones were, I saw them, they like farage are full of shit

mrmistoffelees 12-02-2023 15:02
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145757)
Quite a few people on the old "name one" trick. Their heads must be truly in the sand if they don't recall the Sharia no-go areas of a few years ago. What went on above ground then is stil doing nothing to integrate with British culture.

What do you people see when you briefly pop your heads out of the sand? Muslims integrating with Judeo-Christian Brits? The other way round? Hindus embracing Muslims as cultural equals? Somalians adopting British culture?

Or are you just being argumentatively woke?
I’d much rather be woke than jingoistic. You seem to be OD’ing on rivers of boood

Presumably you have the same concerns regarding catholics & protestants ? Or is that OK somehow ?

Hugh 12-02-2023 15:05
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36145790)
I’d much rather be woke than jingoistic. You seem to be OD’ing on rivers of boood

Presumably you have the same concerns regarding catholics & protestants ? Or is that OK somehow ?
I remember exactly the same kind of language/rhetoric/fearmongering against the Irish Catholics in Glasgow in the 60s - coming over here, getting council houses, taking our jobs/never working and just claiming benefits, with their funny religion and all living in the same areas, etc., etc...


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