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No. salvation in the Old Testament was exactly the same as the new Testament, By Faith

Genesis 15:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness.




Hebrews 11 New International Version (NIV)
Faith in Action

11 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.
5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[b] considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.
13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
17 By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18 even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[c] 19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions concerning the burial of his bones.
23 By faith Moses’ parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict.
24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. 25 He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. 27 By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.
29 By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days.
31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.[d]
32 And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. 36 Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were put to death by stoning;[e] they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground.
39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

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You were right ;)

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This is interesting?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43092085
Thirteen Russians have been charged with interfering in the US 2016 election, in a major development in the FBI investigation.

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Thank you for that.

What about all those born since the start of Christianity, including the Jews?

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Mr Mueller is doing s good job. Bit by bit, he's getting to the truth of the matter. Attempts by the White House to discredit him are purely coincidental....

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Had to laugh at this bit. Credit for the Russians' creativity :)

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Which is interesting, given the bullshit you posted from the guardian a day or so ago saying they had a compromising video when that is not what was said at all.

Also, the WH has not discredited him, they are discrediting the allegation made, Mueller did not make the allegation, he is merely investigating it and as yet, has found no evidence.

Still no comments from you about the evidence of collusion regarding Crooked Hillary and the Democrats forking out for the Fake Russian dossier from Fusion GPS via Steele via the Russians..... because obviously it doesn't suit your narrative. :rolleyes:

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Yes, interesting that even with the interference it had no impact on the end result and no American is included on any of those charges.

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'Crooked Hillary' - isn't that a narrative ? a Russian narrative it seems ...

How gullible Trump disciples have been.

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Mr K must the CNN of the Forum ;). Sorry Mr K :)

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And you are the GOD channel and Mick is Mr Fox :D

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Well he was appointed to investigate Russian interference which it appears he has found.

I think today at least means Mueller’s investigstion will be allowed to run it’s course. Some Republicans we’re suggesting it should be shut down .

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Says you, who got the guardian story totally wrong, so how gullible and naive are you ?

The shoe fits, now wear it. :rolleyes:

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If we've each got one shoe Mick, that's no good to either of us ;)

I'm afraid there's only one person on this thread with a one sided narrative.... (no clues !)

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and what does the Fox say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE

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Those born since the start of Christianity, of decision-able age, will only be saved through the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Jewish people are exactly the same. Paul (a Jewish person} wanted to make his ministry to the Gentiles, so successful that his fellow Jews would be envious and commit their lives to Jesus that he could save at least some of them.


Romans 11 13- 15 New International Version (NIV}


"I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15


Messianic Jews, are saved

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 

I'm afraid, passingbat, that I, and I suspect most on this forum, are not moved by these quotations. The Bible is a terrific read for those who want to study it, but it was written by man, not God.

And am I not right in saying that the account of Jesus and the run up to his crucifixion (and of course what happened after this) was committed to paper five generations after it happened?

You are believing in a book that was written by people who believed that the Earth was flat and who believed in magical occurrences.

Nothing to do with Trump and the world we live in now, though.