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Osem	25-10-2017 18:45

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35921818)

We have a Tesla owner up the street. It is an awesome car, although it is scary as a pedestrian because when you are crossing the road, you cannot hear it (I know I will still see it, but I never realized how much I relied on my ears). I think the owner owns a company where he does a *lot* of motorway travel, and apparently the Tesla does work out cheaper, although you have to factor in the charge time. He has installed a Tesla home charging station on his drive, which means if he leaves the car plugged in over night, it will be fully charged the next morning.

Hearing is unique amongst our senses since it's operational all the time and working away in the background telling us so much about our surroundings without any need for us to think about it. Those of us lucky enough to be able to hear do take it very much for granted.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35921819)

They should force them to play the Jaws theme if they're going under 10mph

I'm sure there'll sooner or later be a law which requires electric vehicles to emit a certain amount of 'noise'.

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It'll be interesting to see the longevity of such vehicles in the real world and how this will impact on the longer term cost of ownership i.e. batteries, electric motors, inverters etc. Will it ever be realistic for people on low incomes to own and run electric vehicles in the same way they can cheap old cars today? If not then the move towards all electric is going to have a similar effect on society as the cost of housing has. The rich and middle classes will have their choice but the poor might well be deprived of their mobility.

Uncle Peter

25-10-2017 23:54

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35921819)

They should force them to play the Jaws theme if they're going under 10mph

https://youtu.be/ZvYQiEEyChI

Sorted

papa smurf

26-10-2017 10:46

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

[QUOTE=Osem;35921821]Hearing is unique amongst our senses since it's operational all the time and working away in the background telling us so much about our surroundings without any need for us to think about it. Those of us lucky enough to be able to hear do take it very much for granted.

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I'm sure there'll sooner or later be a law which requires electric vehicles to emit a certain amount of 'noise'.[COLOR="Silver"]

lolly stick in the back wheel

BenMcr

26-10-2017 11:24

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35921821)

I'm sure there'll sooner or later be a law which requires electric vehicles to emit a certain amount of 'noise'

Already is in the EU:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26857743

Should also be in the US, unless it gets reversed by Trump:
https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/16/...estrian-safety

denphone

01-05-2018 06:32

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

Ministers' £400m plan for electric car charging infrastructure delayed.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ucture-delayed

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However, nearly half a year later, it has emerged that the government has not even started the recruitment process for an official to raise the £200m of private investment – let alone begin the process of securing the funding.

Paul	01-05-2018 14:36

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

Well, they do have 20 or so years, so I guess a few months wont make a lot of difference.

denphone

01-05-2018 14:49

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

Given the track record of previous government programmes which end up taking twice as long , cost 3 times as much l would not bet on it IMO.

denphone

23-07-2018 17:41

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

UK electric car drivers face paying more to charge at peak times.

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British electric car drivers face having to pay more to power their car if they refuse to shift their charging to off-peak times, in a move designed to lessen their burden on the electricity network.

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Such a scenario would require costly upgrades to local electricity grids, which everyone would ultimately pay for through their energy bills.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...em-electricity

nashville

23-07-2018 18:20

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

Do not fancy Electric ones, Why should the government tell us what is best for us. We will soon be like robots ,

1andrew1

24-07-2018 00:40

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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Originally Posted by nashville (Post 35956147)

Why should the government tell us what is best for us.

Global warming.

pip08456

24-07-2018 01:21

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35956232)

Global warming.

So at present renewable energy sources, solar or wind, cannot supply our full energy needs and to ensure that we still have nuclear and gas powered power generating stations.

Where is the, not Gigawatts, but Petawatts of power going to come from to recharge all these electric vehicles and maintain household and industrial power supply? Can the charging point infrastructure be in place nationwide well before petrol and diesel engines are banned? We don't have 22yrs to do it but considerably less as petrol and diesel are being phased out.

One more nuclear plant won't do it as what we have now is coming to end of life. Objections to nuclear will be raised not least due to what happened at Chernobyl and in Japan.

Damien

24-07-2018 10:04

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

We need to build more nuclear power plants and soon.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35956238)

So at present renewable energy sources, solar or wind, cannot supply our full energy needs and to ensure that we still have nuclear and gas powered power generating stations.

Solar especially is making great gains though. It's much more efficient than it was 10, 5 years ago. I think the promise for solar as well is having it spread out more. Rooftops of homes with excess power being sold back to the grid (and taken off your energy bill) etc.

As well as building big new sources of power I think we shouldn't underestimate the small improvements we can make by making all devices more energy efficient and recapturing wasted energy in cars, on roads, from the sun and so on.

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Objections to nuclear will be raised not least due to what happened at Chernobyl and in Japan.

Japan is a good argument for nuclear power IMO. That was a plant with older technology which got hit by quite a lot of things nature can throw at you, earthquakes and tsunamis, and the damage whilst bad wasn't a catastrophe. We can build safer ones now that won't be hit by such things.

denphone

24-07-2018 10:11

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

But a lot of Solar subsidies are being axed.

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Since incentives were cut in early 2016, householders have largely stopped putting solar on rooftops

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Those incentives were slashed dramatically at the start of 2016, largely killing the financial attraction for householders. Installations plummeted and companies folded.
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Next April the scheme closes entirely and ministers are yet to signal that it will be replaced.

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Unsurprisingly, that has led to a bleak outlook for household solar. Growth halved last year, which the government says is “not surprising”, given earlier rapid expansion.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ery-technology

papa smurf

24-07-2018 10:14

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35956253)

We need to build more nuclear power plants and soon.

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Solar especially is making great gains though. It's much more efficient than it was 10, 5 years ago. I think the promise for solar as well is having it spread out more. Rooftops of homes with excess power being sold back to the grid (and taken off your energy bill) etc.

As well as building big new sources of power I think we shouldn't underestimate the small improvements we can make by making all devices more energy efficient and recapturing wasted energy in cars, on roads, from the sun and so on.

Japan is a good argument for nuclear power IMO. That was a plant with older technology which got hit by quite a lot of things nature can throw at you, earthquakes and tsunamis, and the damage whilst bad wasn't a catastrophe. We can build safer ones now that won't be hit by such things.

So the answer to environmental disaster is to build a number of potential environmental disasters to generate power for environmentally safe cars .
i'm off to the petrol station to fill up the car it runs on things that already dead .

Brunel

24-07-2018 10:23

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

A petrol engine, is at best circa 40% efficient. Remaining 60% of the energy in
the fuel is wasted, mostly as heat.

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