Re: Brexit
 

thats not how you spell bureaucracy

Re: Brexit
 

If you want to willingly surrender your National Sovereignty to a Federal States of Europe, which means progressively surrendering Laws, Taxes and Borders to people who are not directly elected, then you could be correct, although wasn't there some issue with getting the books signed off?


But I don't want to be ruled by unelected people and lose British control of Laws, Taxes and Borders. I don't think you will find many UK citizens that do.


It seems to me that you're happy to trade our Sovereignty. I'm not.


And What has Trump got to do with it? He was democratically elected, more than can be said for the EU leaders. Here's an anti Trump news outlet saying that it is legal to appoint his son in law.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/u...ment.html?_r=0

Re: Brexit
 

:tu:

Clearly some people only respect democracy when it yields what they want.

Re: BREXIT
 

My poll at work is 98% leave.

The sooner we leave and the sooner Jimmy Krankie resigns the happier I'll be.

We must do a hard Brexit so the EU can't force us into things we don't want.

Can you really see Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Seat, Fiat etc pulling out of the UK and not selling any cars.

We survived before, we'll survive after.

Re: Brexit
 

Not entirely true about being unelected, same as the accounts not being signed of since 1926 or whenever isn't really true, still explaining it properly doesn't make for those short, snappy headlines we so enjoy that don't stretch our attention spans for to long so we can get back to important stuff like Facebook or cats on slides.

Re: BREXIT
 

Imperative in my view.

Re: Brexit
 

The debate has moved on. Others are trying to drag us back to mid-June 2016's debate which is unproductive.
The debate now is for free trade or not free trade.

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Imperative if we want a break-up of the UK. I don't, but I accept some see it as an acceptable price to pay.

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lol, nailed it perfectly!

Re: Brexit
 

we'll let you know when it's moved on, and what it's moved on to, if in fact it moves at all ;)

Re: Brexit
 

like Brexit itself. :)

Re: Brexit
 

i think we are somewhere between stale and mate with a smattering of dog chasing its own tail .:)

Re: Brexit
 

And that is directly related to sovereignty. That is what you don't seem to understand. To stay in the single market would mean surrendering some of our control over Laws, immigration and tax policies. As I've said several times, Sovereignty is eroded via the back door of trade deals. By advocating the single market, you are advocating erosion of British Sovereignty.


We need to be out of the single market and negotiating the best trade deal we can. And when you are negotiating, the other side needs to know, in no uncertain terms, that you will walk away if you don't like the deal they offer.

Re: Brexit
 

I have no problem with the scots having another independence vote as long as the rest of the UK gets a vote on if they want scotland in the union anymore. It was meant to be a once in a generation vote according to everyone up north now clearly it will be something the snp kick off at the slightest excuse and that is a disruption we do not need. I'm also betting if the rest got a vote the snp would go very quiet and a lot less enthusiastic it's easy to keep having disruptive referenda when there is no consequence.

Re: Brexit
 

Sorry, in connection with the article I posted I meant there's now a debate in the Brexit camp about trade deals full stop, not just with the EU.
Do we:
- Go for Economists for Free Trade's approach. They want no tariffs. But their Patrick Minford has said this will cause the end of UK manufacturing.
- Go for a more interventionist, protectionist economy with tariffs which is likely to leave the country a lot poorer.

In context, polling by Ipsos Mori found that 45% of Britons thought single market access should be prioritised, while 39% prioritised control of immigration. Free trade is linked to granting work visas to trading partners. India has already made clear it would like more immigration into the UK as part of any new deal and other countries are likely to want this too. How will this go down with the electorate?

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A Scottish refrendum is now on the cards, though whether the SNP will win it is unknown. Latest polls are 50% remain, 50% leave the UK. As Brexit and Trump have shown, we shouldn't rule out another poll upset.
Nicola Sturgeon is aiming for late 2018 but Downing Street is hoping to delay a referendum until after Brexit. Having it half-way through the Brexit negotiations sounds a bit disruptive but maybe that's the plan.

Re: Brexit
 

Nicola the fish can aim for anything, it doesn't mean she'll get it so no cards are on the table.

Your usual bs. The EU’s Court of Auditors didn't produce (public) REPORTS until 1995.

Since then not one report has stated that the accounts are free from "material error".

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Re: Brexit
 

As usual humour is something that happens to other people isn't it pip, like that time you went to the effort of proving to us articles 1-49 didn't need to be triggered one after the other and in order before we could trigger article 50, still thanks for providing links for anyone who can tear themselves away from cats on slides for a moment that didn't know the accounts have in fact been signed of, lots.