Re: Crisis in the NHS
 

How on earth did you conclude that from what Hugh said, I took it that the programmer assumed his job was harder and more stressful without knowing Hugh did nearly double his hours, part of which was devoted to keeping the blissfully unaware programmer in a job.

Re: Crisis in the NHS
 

Erm, no - I think that everyone who works for me deserves a decent wage (for a decent day's work), and that part of my role was to keep them in a job (by putting together a future work plan and budgets to support that work plan) and help them do a good job by supporting them, helping them develop, and providing direction. I thought I had success when one of my colleagues was promoted internally, or went somewhere else for a higher paying / career progressing job.

Another salient point was that he had been in IT for under 10 years, and I have been progressing for over 35 years...

A manager can't succeed without a good team, and you can't have a good team if you treat them like crap.

Not sure how you came to your conclusion, though...:erm:

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Possibly because whilst you're saying very laudable and altruistic things you include the revealing "everyone who works for me" ;).

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Well, they did - I was head of the department; people worked with, and for, me - the two things are complementary, not exclusive.

I, in turn, worked for a Deputy Vice-Chancellor, who worked for the Vice-Chancellor.

We all worked together, but it was/is a hierarchically structured organisation, like most places.

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We have differing views on management. Saying people work for you sounds to me like they are busy squirreling beneath your omnipotent gaze.

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God, no!

Good management (imho) is giving direction, letting people get on with doing their jobs (with appropriate oversight and governance), and selling the teams' efforts and successes to the wider organisation, whilst defending them against nay-sayers. Give people the opportunity to succeed, making sure they understand what is expected of them, whilst being available for them to tell you what you need to know.

Micro-management is a productivity and morale-killer, again imho.

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Hugh means they reported to him and he was responsible for them.

Seems to be a sensitive area for you, Kursk!

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Clarified, thanks. Sorry, I was teasing a bit :).

Valuing others regardless of pay grade is I'm sure a sensitivity for all people who work together. I'm no autocrat.

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Sorry but it was the way I read it. Sounded like you came across as look at me in my job everyone else is worthless.

I've worked in jobs in the past 35k a year at management level not so much now but was a personal choice.

However while I can appreciate those that work at the top may experience stress at a different level putting in 60hrs work compared to someone doing 37hrs work doesn't necessarily mean that the role they carry doesn't have any stress or they are anymore worthless in what they do be that 10 years or 45 years experience.

If anything I encourage those below me to put the effort in to get where I have got to in life.

Although I work with a few that have got 30+ years on me in this job they certainly like to make a point of letting everyone know.

Re: Crisis in the NHS
 

Some good news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43476340

Re: Crisis in the NHS
 

And the article does mention the annual increment which means staff often get 3-4% on top of pay rises. So while 1% rise is small add the increment and it's not quite as small as some would make out. This increment is something the government may try to drop.

The article states the reason that it is old fashioned and rewards long service not competence. But long service is not bad in itself. The NHS does need to get rid of the dross but finds it difficult for various reasons and keep the good staff, and keep them in the jobs they are good at not promote them to management or leadership they may not be - need mechanism to pay better and higher for those functions.

I think they want to lose the increment because it's an invisible rise. Staff are getting (say 4-5% with increment) but the headlines are NHS staff only get 1%.

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While I am still considered a technician at work, I am actually a manager. I remember a few years back one of my first important projects was to get a few members of my team to compile a showreel for the students of one of our digital media courses. Sadly I no longer work with that team, as they transferred to a different campus, but the showreel is still used.

The Prinicipal Lecturer for the course told me what a brilliant job I'd done on the showreel, and I said I got the team to to it. She actually said that it doesn't matter I wasn't directly involved in the creation, as I had been in charge of the team that had done it, assigned the task to them, and ensured they had the right skills and equipment that they could do the task. I had managed them.

I have a different team now, and I feel that my job, as manager, is to do what Hugh said. Sadly, it means I don't get my hands dirty with the technical stuff as much as I did, which is the part I enjoy most, but that seems to be the way things go sometimes.

Regarding the pay rise. It is a good thing, but the government will need to stump up the cash to make it happen. Otherwise they are likely to have to cut things like Jobs and services to pay for it.

Re: Crisis in the NHS
 

About time too IMO.

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This is an article that was posted the other day somewhere else

https://doctoroxford.com/2018/03/23/...mpression=true

Those eye-popping 6.5% to 29% NHS pay rises are a lie – and I can prove it

The first rule of navigating the used car lot is that if the deal you’re being offered sounds too good to be true, well – those shiny-looking wheels will be a banger in disguise.

And, just as with used car salesmen, so it is, I’m afraid, with government pay deals.

You could hardly have missed this week’s eye-popping accounts of unprecedented Department of Health largesse towards hardworking NHS staff. Jeremy Hunt, the Secretary of State for Health, tweeted enthusiastically of a deal, bashed out with no less than 13 trade unions, in which 1.3 million staff would receive a guaranteed pay rise, over the next 3 years, of between 6.5% and 29%:

cont in link.

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Good to see that the Unions representing Doctors have repeatedly lied about their wage increases without any thought of those of the nurses. Especially when the nurse is the one that looks the patient after the doctors patient admittedly under their direction as to what has to be done.

How many nurses are actually on level 6 or 7 of the paygrade graphs in that article posted.

BTW look at the earning gains in those graphs! I have to assume from the site address it is for doctors only, don't forget nurses are a very important part of making any of what you do or advise/proscribe is successful.