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TheDaddy 10-12-2009 12:29
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34924353)
Calling them all terrorists or otherwise being suspect of all of them as a whole is a common theme. We don't call all Catholics pedos because of the actions of a very small minority of their priests because we correctly understand the difference between a small subset of people who happen to be catholic and the Catholic community as a whole. Yet it when it comes to Muslims that understanding doesn't seem to be present. Any Muslim story on this forum will bring the people who enjoy sticking to boot into Muslims from whichever cave they inhabit.
None of which addresses the point, Christianity is the only faith that is openly and freely derided.

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34924360)
Possibly, but the main thing is that for many this understanding has been forced upon them. Against their will. I've never been forced to take part in any Muslim religious activities. I wish I could say the same thing about Christianity.
Funny both my children go to a non faith school and neither have taken part in any religious activities other than learning about them and visiting a Mosque, ever consider that your parents choice of school may have played a part in your forced attendence of said religious activities?

Damien 10-12-2009 12:30
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34924367)
None of which addresses the point, Christianity is the only faith that is openly and freely derided.
And Muslims are one of the only faiths whose members are constantly subjectto attacks on them personally (calling them terrorists etc) because of their faith. Hardly seems much difference.

danielf 10-12-2009 12:31
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34924367)
Funny both my children go to a non faith school and neither have taken part in any religious activities other than learning about them and visiting a Mosque, ever consider that your parents choice of school may have played a part in your forced attendence of said religious activities?
Oh yes. Absolutely. As it happened, the only Grammar School in town was a Christian one, so choice was rather limited.

zing_deleted 10-12-2009 12:34
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34924353)
Calling them all terrorists or otherwise being suspect of all of them as a whole is a common theme. We don't call all Catholics pedos because of the actions of a very small minority of their priests because we correctly understand the difference between a small subset of people who happen to be catholic and the Catholic community as a whole. Yet it when it comes to Muslims that understanding doesn't seem to be present. Any Muslim story on this forum will bring the people who enjoy sticking to boot into Muslims from whichever cave they inhabit.

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Maybe it's because the of ignorance of Islam. I would still bet most people think Allah is 'the Muslim God' whereas people have a better understand of some basics of the Christian faith in the UK
OK some Muslims in this country preach hatred...Fact

There have been atrocities in the country caused by Muslims...Fact

Some Muslims protest whilst preaching said hatred at processions for our soldiers...Fact

I have no doubt there are active Al Queda members/supporters in this country...Conjecture

IMO knowing the above goes on is a fair enough reason to be cautious. I do not hate Muslims but I do know some of them can not be trusted . Its got nothing to do with who they believe its more to do with what some of them believe in IE Jihad

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34924369)
And Muslims are one of the only faiths whose members are constantly subjectto attacks on them personally (calling them terrorists etc) because of their faith. Hardly seems much difference.
Yes there is racial tension in some areas of the country but some people are getting so sick and fed up with how this country has changed due to immigration and political correctness that they have just had enough

TheDaddy 10-12-2009 12:37
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34924369)
And Muslims are one of the only faiths whose members are constantly subjective to attacks on them personally (calling them terrorists etc) because of their faiths. Hardly seems much difference.
Really you dont see the difference between calling some one names and openly deriding their beliefs? I know which is worse and anyone here from any religion will tell you the same.

Damien 10-12-2009 13:10
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34924375)
Really you dont see the difference between calling some one names and openly deriding their beliefs? I know which is worse and anyone here from any religion will tell you the same.
Not really. It's worse than 'calling someone names'. Constant Press Stories about how they are banning Christmas for Muslims, and so on.

Russ 10-12-2009 14:01
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If the reason people mock Christianity is because of having it forced on them in the past then maybe they should reserve their mocking for those who try to convert them.

danielf 10-12-2009 14:09
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34924415)
If the reason people mock Christianity is because of having it forced on them in the past then maybe they should reserve their mocking for those who try to convert them.
The problem is that it is institutionalised. It's very hard to escape it. That's not to say that I think it's OK to mock people's beliefs (I don't, and I don't generally mock other people's beliefs), but I'd say that it's a very fair bet that if Christianity gets mocked more than other religions, that is a direct result of the fact that it's the dominant religion, and people are getting it forced on them, often from a young age.

zing_deleted 10-12-2009 14:11
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and Islamic families do not force Islam on their young then? thats a rhetorical question as it goes cuz of course we know they do. Its also a lot more prejudiced toward sex than christianity

danielf 10-12-2009 14:22
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Zing: that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that more people in the UK will have had Christianity forced on them (be it though their parents, school, door knockers or otherwise) than any other religion. From that perspective, it's not surprising that Christianity gets mocked more.

Russ 10-12-2009 14:27
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34924420)
The problem is that it is institutionalised. It's very hard to escape it. That's not to say that I think it's OK to mock people's beliefs (I don't, and I don't generally mock other people's beliefs), but I'd say that it's a very fair bet that if Christianity gets mocked more than other religions, that is a direct result of the fact that it's the dominant religion, and people are getting it forced on them, often from a young age.
I'll never deny the fact it's the "dominant" faith but for example people mock it on CF yet none of the Christians on here have ever tried converting any members or forced it on anyone here. If people want to slag it off and mock due to past experiences then fine that's their right but why aim it at those who do not affect them in any way?

zing_deleted 10-12-2009 14:37
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34924433)
Zing: that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that more people in the UK will have had Christianity forced on them (be it though their parents, school, door knockers or otherwise) than any other religion. From that perspective, it's not surprising that Christianity gets mocked more.
I dont think you are correct.

Perhaps more people will have their religious views expressed to them but that is not forced is it? My daughter is taught about all religions at school so by your definition the majority of children will have Islam Buddah Hindu Christianity etc "forced upon them"

I think by proportion children of Islamic families are more likely to be "forced" into religion than those born into christian familes who a large proportion of do not see the insides of a church at all

danielf 10-12-2009 14:54
Re: Christians arrested for defending their beliefs
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34924436)
I'll never deny the fact it's the "dominant" faith but for example people mock it on CF yet none of the Christians on here have ever tried converting any members or forced it on anyone here. If people want to slag it off and mock due to past experiences then fine that's their right but why aim it at those who do not affect them in any way?
Oh, I agree, and I think you'll find it hard to find a post of mine mocking someone's religious beliefs. Having said that: perhaps it's an indication of how miffed people get at having beliefs forced on them.

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Originally Posted by zing (Post 34924438)
I dont think you are correct.

Perhaps more people will have their religious views expressed to them but that is not forced is it? My daughter is taught about all religions at school so by your definition the majority of children will have Islam Buddah Hindu Christianity etc "forced upon them"

I think by proportion children of Islamic families are more likely to be "forced" into religion than those born into christian familes who a large proportion of do not see the insides of a church at all
There's a difference between learning about and forced. I don't object to religious education, but other than that I think religion has no place in the school. And you're probably right that proportionally, more children have Islam forced on them, but that was not the point I was making. More people will come into contact with Christianity when they have no desire to do so.

Incidentally, I've never had a Muslism door knocker :)

Earl of Bronze 10-12-2009 14:58
Re: Christians arrested for defending their beliefs
 
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Originally Posted by zing (Post 34924438)
I think by proportion children of Islamic families are more likely to be "forced" into religion than those born into christian familes who a large proportion of do not see the insides of a church at all
I think you are completely wrong in this regard Zing....

People who don't attend any church/chapel/temple will not by defination be religious, thus how can they imprint on their children their beliefs regarding any diety you choose to name....

Obversely, any family that regularly attends church/chapel/temple etc ofc take their children to their place of worship with them. This is exactly what happened to me.... When I started in primary school, my parents enrolled me in Sunday School for an hour before church every sunday. I was also enrolled in the Robins, then the Anchor Boys, then the Jnr Boys Bge and eventually the Snr BB. Ofc I could have stopped going to church, BB and bible class, but by the age of 14 I considered myself a confirmed christian. So I didn't stop attending church until I was in my late teens, and had seen enough of the world for my faith to be challenged, and over the years to fall away and for me to finally proclaim myself an Anti-Theist and Anti-Deist.

By and large, religion is perpetuated via the family and its involvement in their church. To say otherwise would be to fool yourself....

papa smurf 10-12-2009 15:41
Re: Christians arrested for defending their beliefs
 
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34924439)
Oh, I agree, and I think you'll find it hard to find a post of mine mocking someone's religious beliefs. Having said that: perhaps it's an indication of how miffed people get at having beliefs forced on them.

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There's a difference between learning about and forced. I don't object to religious education, but other than that I think religion has no place in the school. And you're probably right that proportionally, more children have Islam forced on them, but that was not the point I was making. More people will come into contact with Christianity when they have no desire to do so.

Incidentally, I've never had a Muslism door knocker :)
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