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Myself and my wife said the same thing when we heard about the events this evening, he'll not go unless forced.

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how strange that you think every one got to follow rules but you are happy for Johnson to have no rules and can do whatever he likes

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You obviously don’t read very well as I have stated that I want him gone. :rolleyes: :dunce:

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Exactly.

I think many are now waking up to the fact that Johnson's days are numbered and feel it's better to jump ship than wait for the lifeboats.

I do wonder what Old Boy has to say on the subject?

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:D:D:D

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The Times…

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...99b300fdceee26



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Waiting for his Cabinet Post.

C’mon - if Dorries & Rees-Mogg can get a seat round the table…

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Does today mark a turning point or have you wanted him to resign some time ago?

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Fair shout, can't argue with that.

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This is the thing, his refusal to leave office, even when facing political suicide, our country acts on precedents and conventions, that the outgoing Prime Minister, seeks audience with the Queen and tenders his/her resignation and name a successor. His refusal to even do this will create a Constitutional crisis.

UK does have an impeachment process, in fact, the U.S copied our impeachment process and enshrined it in to their written Constitution.

We don’t have a written Constitution, as I said above about precedents and conventions, the Prime Minister, the expectation to resign, when an election is lost, when he’s lost confidence of his own or all MPs, that he goes to Buckingham Palace and resign, name a successor, if he refuses to even do this, the Queen can’t appoint a new Prime Minister.

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What were your thoughts on Reese-Mogg on Sky News last night (if you watched it)

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OB tendered his resignation as the PMs CF spokesman late yesterday evening. Even an offer as Minister for Streaming Services couldn't persuade him to stay. Commentators are saying this is the final straw for Boris.... :D

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Last seen today at 07.56. Not in this thread though. Must be waiting on the party lines dropping from CCHQ.

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I don't know about Javid.

But Sunak and Johnson were already at odds with each other. It's quite possible he would have been removed from his post had he not just jumped.

Johnson is unlikely to go, immediately. They had their chance a few short weeks ago but failed to remove him, no good whinging now.

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Fair comments, however, had they known then, what came out over the past couple of days do you think he would have still survived a vote of no confidence?

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Sadly Boris is going to be like that bit of old chewing gum you can't quite get off your shoe.

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I didn’t watch it. I was very busy doing my occupation, of course, in the health industry where there is zero time for such drama.

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Good riddance to Sunak, Javed and the others too weak to stay in Government during difficult times.

Facing up to the difficult times is the sign of true leadership and commitment and Boris Johnson has consistently shown why he still has the mandate.

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If they do give him no confidence wouldn't put it passed him to call a GE. i.e. if I'm going down, you all are...
It would be a fair enough call. Up to the public who they want as PM. Not a few backstabbing self interested Mps.

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Funniest post of the year! :D :D :D

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Interesting one for you. The Queen does have the legal might to sack the Prime Minister, but it is unlikely she will exercise such powers:

https://www.goodto.com/royal-news/ca...inister-646848

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Exactly. When it comes to someone who gets it right on the important issues of the day like reintroducing Imperial measures, blue passports, and selecting the right donor-funded wallpaper, Big Dog delivers.

It's just a couple of disloyal Ministers who don't like hard work whom Johnson would have fired sooner or later for not working half as hard as he does. :D

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https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status...ySi6H6PTw&s=19

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If it becomes clear he doesn't have the confidence of Parliament and someone else does, is that an appropriate time to do so?

You could end up in a situation where the leader of the largest party is sitting behind him.

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Where Gove in all of this? I suspect getting ready for his big chance ..

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Publicly committed his support last night.....

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Johnson will tell them he’ll resign,

then will claim it never happened,

then will say it happened but he wasn’t there

then he’ll say it happened but he’d forgotten all about it,

then he will say when he said ‘resign’, he actually meant ‘re-sign’…

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:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Starmer playing with Boris in PMQs, such as a cat would with a mouse.

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Last PMQs for both?

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Boris doing a sterling job at PMQ's

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He was ambushed by the sign and is furious no one told him it was a sign

I liked his charge of the light weight brigade comment

Of what, putting the exclamation mark to his desth warrant

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Savid Javid absolutely putting the boot in

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Is Javid doing to Johnson what Howe did to Thatcher?

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And as PMQs ends multiple shouts of ‘Bye Boris’

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interesting no sign of Michael Gove at PMQ's

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And now people are wondering why I’ve just burst out laughing in the middle of a zoom call :p::p::p:

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Mick's point about Johnson being willing to spark a constitutional crisis rather than resign might be right: https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/statu...58131183190019

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Sam Coates Sky
@SamCoatesSky
Suggestions Michael Gove is weighing going to the PM and saying times up - although his 2016 experience weighing in his mind I’m told

If he does it he could lead a delegation of cabinet ministers (tho plenty wouldn’t take part)

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/sta...63947747495939

Theo Usherwood
@theousherwood
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Understand the men in grey suits will tell the PM this evening that he has to leave or face a second confidence vote.

https://twitter.com/theousherwood/st...63269075550208

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Johnson thinking only of himself, and not abiding by the rules, accepted standards, and expectations of appropriate behaviour?

Well, who'd have possibly thought it?

It's not as if his past history and behaviours could have possibly given anyone any idea this is how he might behave...

Remember the 7 Nolan principles of standards in public life (how politicians, civil servants, charity trustees etc are bound to act in public roles)

To paraphase the dearly departed Mr Loaf - "One (if that) out of Seven ain't bad...".

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Presumably it's too much to hope that if this behaviour were to occur it would be breaching any sort of criminal law? Would be rather funny watching him being carried out in cuffs, a spit hood and leg restraints....

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So we've got to 26, sorry 27 as I type, resignations since 6pm last night. Wonder how many by 6pm today?

Was it ever this bad at the heyday of people refusing to work for Jezza?

You know it's bad when even OB is missing in action.

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6 ministers have gone in the last few mins, Gove has told Johnson to go.

Can't see how Johnson can string this out to force a VONC. He won't have any Ministers left.

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Exclusive: Michael Gove tells PM ‘it’s time to go

https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/n...its-time-to-go

Beth Rigby
@BethRigby
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Just spoken to another (loyal) cab min: "The game is up, this is not survivable. I can't see lasting the day and those suggesting he stays on not doing him any favours. I'm in the trenches with him, but we're outgunned, out manoeuvred & out of ammunition"

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status...76837510594560

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Worth repeating :)

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If this doesn’t bring him down, nothing will.

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Resigning in bulk now - 5 in one letter. There aren't going to many Parliamentary Private Secretaries or Under Secretaries left at this rate. I guess each and every minister and PPS is judging the value of Boris Johnson patronage and what will happen if and when he goes. Those ministers who are fiercely loyal to Johnson (Dorries, Truss, Patel, Rees-Mogg, Old Boy :D ) are gong to spend a loooooong time on the back benches...

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Let me guess just like his best buddy, he's going to get his supporter(s) to storm Parliament with guns/gins ;)

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A word of warning, those wanting Johnson gone are those who think he isn’t conservative enough.

A period of austerity beckons, after he is toppled.

Don’t expect anymore handouts anytime soon.

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Sam Coates just said on sky news some cabinet ministers have told Johnson to go

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Everyone?

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majority of tories want him gone even

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...ow-want-boris-

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That is the motivation behind some of his detractors but that group never got the numbers. It's these scandals that are toppling him and ultimately MPs who think the gig is up and are worried for their own seats.

I think another bout of austerity during a cost-of-living crisis and an NHS with very high waiting times will be a bold move from his successor (if he goes).

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Got to love the new nickname for all this...

"Clownfall"

:D

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Finally reading the room and calling on Boris to go.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-62048657

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30 resignations of varying quality.

Edit: 31.

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Some good job opportunities in the Tory party then.

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From Johnson's meeting with the Liaison Committee.

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‘How’s your week going?’

‘Terrific’

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Word from party whips is no one will fill the vacancies.....

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BJ almost describing opposition to him as a coup.

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Posted at 16:2816:28
BREAKING
Group of cabinet ministers will tell PM to go
A group of cabinet ministers are about to tell the PM to resign, including the chief whip, the BBC understands.

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https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1544705556262313984

The guy he appointed yesterday.

Even by Tory standards that's impressively backstabby. Guy has no scruples at all.

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I’m glad he’s dragging his heels here it’s giving me time to work on my “posts that aged badly” post for later on.

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1922 committee reject a rule change that would have allowed another VOC.

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elections on Monday for 1922 commitee then could change rules sky news yellow ticker

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I’d quite like to see a constitutional crisis. I wonder how the deep state deal with those now Phil isn’t around to arrange a trip in a Mercedes to solve problems that won’t go away.

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Will Boris take the wallpaper with him?

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There will be 2 removal vans and the wallpaper will be in the one for the princess.

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Beth Rigby
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Sir Graham Brady has now gone into see the PM, but didn’t come up the street, instead he went in via 70 Whitehall

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...principles-evg

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Do we think he might try to stay on even with the rest of the cabinet resigning?

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Deluded Boris clinging on, the parallels between him and Trump are frightening. The ultimate in its not my fault culture. How did the British people get fooled by such an untrustworthy person.

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Speaking of the Queen, she has apparently returned to Windsor. She would usually stay in Sandringham all summer........

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There’s a burning question, that being with the cabinet at no10 will there be a cake ?

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Leaving party? :D

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Harry Cole@MrHarryCole

NEW: Sources say PM is seeing Cabinet ministers one at a time rather than a being greeted by the whole delegation.

Number of them told Chief they would resign last night or today without movement.

When they did they were invited to No10 by CHH to tell the PM to his face.

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Indeed….. something else for Nadhim Zahawi to plunge a knife into….

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Pritti Patel has apparently sided with those saying Boris needs to go (reported by the times)

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Patel told Johnson to go wow

Matt Dathan
@matt_dathan
EXCLUSIVE:

Priti Patel has sided with the group of Cabinet ministers calling for PM to go

The home secretary - one of Johnson's most loyal supporters - believes there's no way he can continue to govern without the support of his party

She's joined Shapps and Gove NOT Dorries

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Meanwhile

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What a busy day they all had. They will be tired and too over excited to sleep tonight.

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Don't drag me into this!

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Well, I’ve been out most of today and have only managed to dip in and out of this forum.

Yes, the game seems to be up for Boris Johnson. I have made no secret of the dim view I take of the Opposition and media tactics to concentrate on trivia to bring the PM down instead of concentrating on the issues important to people and the problems of the world. There has been, and still is, a concerted attempt to undermine BJ and see him out of office. People are understandably fed up with the nonsense being mulled over day by day, and indeed, the impression I get is that most Conservative MPs feel that way as well.

So while I strongly disagree with these tactics and believe that they shouldn’t be allowed any success, it is clear that he has to go because the PM simply cannot address the things that matter when all the talk in the media and in the Commons is about what matters little.

I think that’s a shame because BJ has a vision for this country. He knows how to make Brexit work (which most Opposition MPs and remainers are clueless about), he knows how to level up this country for the benefit of people in deprived areas of the country (whereas Opposition members have questioned what levelling up actually means), he knows how to deal with Putin and has the moral backbone to sort it out (much respected by the Ukrainian President), he knows how to tackle the crisis in social care and has set aside funds to deal with that in a couple of years (using those funds in the meantime to bring down hospital waiting lists) and so on.

Yet all the Opposition and media can talk about, indeed all that they are obsessed with, is parties and other minor issues.

When he goes, who else would be able to see the government agenda through? It’s a huge task and one that BJ was up to achieving. Who else can do it?

I hope to God that someone can, because that’s what I, and all Conservative voters, voted for. However, it’s exactly what the Opposition MPs don’t want, which I find incredible.

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You are Reese-Mogg and I claim my £5

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Breaking news according to sky: Boris still has no intention of resigning

Cabinet resignations and then call a general election ???

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Welcome, OB. We have been waiting for you for some time. :D

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He is gonna force the Tories to do this in the way that's most damaging.

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No it isn't.

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It’s going to be magnificent.

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Brandon Lewis has resigned as Northern Ireland Secretary.

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For flips sake …��

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Oh no he’s not!

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Eventually grew a pair.....

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Brandon Lewis has NOT resigned

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Nadhim Zahawi announces he won’t resign, despite telling the prime minister he should resign

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They shrunk

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He's an ingrate, Bozza promotes him yesterday and today he tells Bozza to do one !
Wonder what the Americans would make of an Iraqi PM?

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BREAKING: Two sources say Boris Johnson is game planning a reshuffle *now*

I hear he has told allies that he is ‘calling Graham Brady’s bluff’ - Anna Mikhailova - Deputy Political Editor, Mail on Sunday.

What did I say this morning?

He’s going to plunge the country in to a Constitutional crisis, if we’re not already technically there.

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Boris has fired Michael Gove

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Another ministerial resignation incoming

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This is the best entertainment ever ! Gove had it coming tbf, revenge time....

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Yes, confirmed. Apparently, Gove threatened to resign if pm didn’t announce his resignation by 9pm.