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Is he going to cancel every foreign visit where the people will be mean? Didn't stop President Bush from coming to the UK. He is the President after all.

We're our own country and we have the right not to bend over backwards to avoid upsetting Trump because he is so sensitive to criticism. Maybe he shouldn't have run for President if he can't handle it.

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He should come regardless of the Protests. But he probably thinks London is a shithole, some of it certainly is thanks to the current crap London Mayor. With parts of London being a crime ridden mess. Can always rely on a Labour Mayor messing things up, when they get their hands on things.

Either way, he has the liberal one sided press in America with a constant daily stream of petty liberal one sided biased news, who frequently have to correct their stories. I don’t think he cares about other countries at all. Like he campaigned on, he only cares about America. ‘America First’. Policies.

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I truly wish what you said is true but it appears not to be.


In the WW2 Holocaust, a third of Jewish people died. At Armageddon two thirds of Jewish people die:


Zechariah talking about the Jewish people in the end times:


Zechariah 13:8 International Standard Version (ISV)
8 It will come about in all of the land,”
declares the Lord,
“that two thirds of the people living there will die,
but a third will survive who live there.

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Well if it's not the population being mean to him it's that London is a shithole! Next thing Brits will be banned from entering the states so dangerous are we. :D

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I did no such thing. It is not irrelevant bringing up the records of past Presidents and comparing their time in office and people not getting hysterical over bad policy decisions, past presidents have made many, but I didn’t see the hysteria back then, like there is now.

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What I want to know is what's wrong with Nine Elms for the US embassy? Plus why blame Obama for Bush's decision to move it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42657954

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Or he doesn't care. Besides he is unlikely to admit it's because people would be mean to him.

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I can answer both those points.

Trump is a tool who doesn't check facts before spouting nonsense.

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The first part of your post is right.

He doesn’t give a toss about Protests, he had met many of them on his campaign trail, has had many on some of his rallies as President.

I would say, he doesn’t want to come to London because of his current spat with Sadiq Khan, the worst London Mayor, London has ever had given it’s current issue with crime being on the up massively.

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Actually, I should imagine from a security point of view, Nine Elms would have some advantages over the old embassy. For a start, I'll bet it has state of the art security systems and design features built in. Grosvenor square probably had the best security it could, but it was designed and built before 1960. It undoubtedly had the best security features designed into it then, but that was 50 years ago. The threats faced have changed. Also, the Thames makes a potentially handy escape route should something happen at the embassy.

However, Trump actions here are what prompted my comments elsewhere about the Trump playbook. Even though this development was planned under the Bush administration, he isn't blaming the republicans. He is blaming the democrats.

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So, you are saying you don't think he is coming here because he is having an argument with someone who isn't even in power over the country? What is he? 12?

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No he is 71, next ridiculous question ?

Btw it’s Khan acting the 12 year old.

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I like Boris’s comment:

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Kahn doesn't have the power to ban Trump from London and wouldn't be part of the visit. Is he such a snowflake that's he won't come whilst Kahn is Mayor?

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Would be nice if he tweated he was wrong regarding the Obama/Embassy comment but he’s far too arrogant for that.

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Not defending Sadiq Khan but crime is on the up throughout the country due to austerity and the severe budgetary restrictions because of that and London is not exempt from that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41677046

https://www.ft.com/content/c3250b52-...6-b25f8adaa111

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...stats-suggest/

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Well well, Trump denies using Shithole as language used in latest tweet. Guess we will never know, it was a private meeting, unless there is tapes.....

Still waiting for Wolff to release the tapes he said he had.

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If Trump finds out we're definitely travel banned :shocked:

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He had no choice seeing as The UN have condemned his comments as racist.

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So no matter how many witnesses, it's Fake unless proved via a tape ? that could be fake too Mick ? this forum could be fake ? the air i'm breathing is fake arrghhh.....

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Why would he do that? He's got no one's permission to do so and the accounts in his book aren't in dispute.

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Don't focus on the comment. It's a classic trap where people will argue over semantics.

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On the other hand, Kahn has recently changed his strategy on stop and search on evidence that this could discourage knife crime. So there is an argument that his previous approach may have contributed to increased crime in London; time will tell.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-a3736501.html

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Pretty sure he knew it was fake news but his supporters will believe him over the mainstream media. Not in his interests to be correct.

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London's big problem over the last few years is acid attacks. Some of this is the Met police (for whom Kahn is ultimately responsible) and some of it is the government. We need stronger laws on acid as the difference in punishment for being caught with a knife is much higher than acid.

What I think they need to do is make it illegal to have acid (anything other a certain strength) in a custom and unmarked bottle. Manufacturers should ensure the dispensal
methods of these types of acid are not quick. Also strong punishments for those who've used it against people.

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Yes they are. Loads of people came out and said what Wolff said was totally inaccurate.

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Actually ,they both are. Even assuming Damien isn't right, and the reason he isn't coming here is because of the potential protests, that just leaves his tweet, which, TBH, make it look like he is refusing to come to us because we gave him a "bad deal". In much the same way my four year old Nephew might refuse to go to a friend's party because his friend called him a name.

But, even if Khan is acting like a 12 year old, he isn't in power. If he is told to by the Government, I'll lay odds that he would do his utmost to ensure that London is prepared for a presidential visit. He cannot afford not to. How long do you think he would last in his job if Trump did come over here, and something happened to Trump while he was in London?

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Well here are 7 as of 8/1/18.

http://www.businessinsider.sg/is-mic...8-1/?r=UK&IR=T

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I don't think we should assume that. :shocked:

Also Kahn wouldn't be responsible for Trump's security. That would be handled by the Government, the security services and their own security services.

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Probably saving them for evidence for any court cases...

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Court cases for what crimes ?

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Any potential Libel cases from Trump, for one, if they are actually wrong.

Actually, I find it interesting that his legal team appear to be threatening people with violations of NDAs rather than Libel. But they know the details of the cases better than I.

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Oh we talking about lawsuits... that's civil law not criminal law.

Libel laws are weak in the U.S he won't/can't sue and likely win.

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Well, whether Trump said shithole or not, it's given newscasters across the world permission to use the word, live on air, before the watershed...

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I am aware of that, but Hugh just said court cases, he didn't specify civil or criminal. But assuming they still exist, it's likely that the author kept them as a defence against any action (civil or criminal).

I know Trump said Libel laws are weak, and I know that I am no expert on law, but I find it surprising that arguably one of the most litigious societies on earth has weak libel laws.

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True.

I have to admit, I am a little surprised people are expressing shock that this kind of language is used. I've long thought it likely that a lot of politicians talk that bluntly in secret while being polite in front of the countries themselves. I have read in the past that politics is the art of using one hand to shake a person's hand warmly while using the other to maneuver the knife into their back.

Note: While I think that other politicians do it, it does not in any way mean I am saying they are right to do it. Personally, I don't think they are. If you have a problem with someone, you should be open with them. It is entirely possible to do this politely and with respect.

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Trump often threatens to sue people - here are some instances that didn't go any further (mostly).

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...this-campaign/

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I realise Kahn wouldn't be responsible for Trump's own security (the US secret service would likely liaise with the armed forces and police directly), but he would be involved, even if purely as a result of the mayoral office links to the Met Police, so I think he would held accountable if something happened in London to Trump.

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Good publicity for Madam Tussaud's.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/951794781885288448

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And amazingly people were still wanting to have their photo taken with the wax work at the site.

Latest from the White House on Iran: U.S President Donald Trump will waive nuclear sanctions against Iran for the last time.

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Has there been that mass exodus of the great and the good from the US yet or was that all BS?

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And why wouldn't you, fantastic comedy value.

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You mean the people like potty mouth Rosie O' Donnell, I am not sure she qualifies under the 'Good' though... ? ;)

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They also have their pictures taken with Jack the Ripper and Adolf Hitler...

And people had their photos taken with the statues of him...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...5&d=1515787488

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They probably went to the same place as all those who said they would leave if Obama got elected...

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Compared to Trump she has the language of a sweet angel. :angel:

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You lie.

LOL, you obviously don't read her Tweets then. :dozey:

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Two GOP Senators, have come out and made a statement and have stated they do not recall the President saying those terms in the oval office. One Democratic Senator said he did. Seeing as I wouldn't trust a Democrat as far as I could spit, given they cheat in major elections etc etc and allegedly use illegal FISA warrants to spy on Americans and political opponents when they are in power. I guess I will just have to trust the GOP's version of events.

I really wish though he had said it because it's true, those countries are third world shitholes because of their corrupt governments. I mean we're talking about places like Africa with corrupt politicians etc seeking their own personal interests. Robert Mugabe, recently being one of those corrupt leaders, being forced to step down.

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What so you think it is that all dishonest people join the Democrats and the honest people join the Republicans? Maybe the same thing that means all the sexual harrassers join the Democrats and all the falsely accused join the Republicans I guess...

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No suprise with your comments Mick, seeing as you are his self appointed defend at all costs ambassador

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Unless they attended the Richard Nixon Republican school of truth telling.

Cheers

Dave

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Well you tell me, Democrats are the ones here being found out about their potential serious crimes paying for a dossier, that is said to have been used to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on their political opponent, if that is true and evidence is pointing to it all the time, this is far far worse than Watergate.

Both parties have issues. But the constant fighting between them and grandstanding against each other, I mean while Trump is suppose to have been racist yesterday by saying a country is a shithole, you had Democratic House Minority leader Nancy Pelosi, call the people doing the negotiations in the Oval Office, the 5 'White' guys.. They certainly know how to be very offensive themselves...

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...-remarks-about

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Irrelevant given that event was well over 40 years ago... :dozey:

Cheers

Mick.

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:rofl: You're funny.

But not really. :td:

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They've a lot in common with Arsene Wenger...

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https://t.co/IsPVboBn6b

Republican Senator Tom Cotton’s statement - from his website. He either said it or he didn’t - weren’t they listening? Both of them ‘don’t recall’!

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Ooh what’s this....

Democratic Senator Durbin, has lied before when it comes to private meetings in the office....

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/...r-obama-098720

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It’s trumps spokesman defending/deflecting again.

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Will you give it a rest with this deflection bullshit. I’m not going to stop posting in here and pointing things out, because you don’t approve of what I say.

No it’s me highlighting that the Senator whose made a serious accusation, has form to making these false accusations in the past, in other words he cannot be trusted.

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FCO travel advice website

So which African country isn't a ?

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Mick as I said last week I am not a Hillary fan and don’t give two hoots about who is the President of the USA, However my opinion of that man as a human being is that he is a piece of ****.

Appreciate you have issues with Hillary but the fact is you have a complete love in for Trump irrelevant of what he says or does and you do use deflection tactics virtually every day.

BTW -S en. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., whom Durbin said voiced objections to Trump’s comments during the meeting, did not dispute the reported remarks in a statement Friday.

“Following comments by the President, I said my piece directly to him yesterday. The President and all those attending the meeting know what I said and how I feel. I’ve always believed that America is an idea, not defined by its people but by its ideals,” he said, adding that he appreciated Durbin’s statements and has “enjoyed working with him and many others on this important issue.”

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It's good having those who both defend Tand attack Trump on one forum because it makes everyone appreciate there are two sides to every discussion.
But when the discussion gets deflected regularly to a Democrat because Trump's position cannot be defended on its own merits, the discussion is at peril of becoming more of an argument than a lively and constructive debate.

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I do not have a love in for Trump, I think saying things like that are real immature.

But yeah if I lived in the US. Republicans would get my vote.

I raise a very valid point about a Democratic Senator who said Trump said shithole last night, who has form for lying about private meetings in the past. He lied about a 2013 meeting and got caught out.... he has form for lying in other words.

As I said, I’m not going to stop what I say here because you don’t approve.

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Excuse me. I’m not arguing I’m pointing out facts, that are relevant. I stand by everything I post. You should know that by now. :rolleyes:

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US politics is not my strong point but looking on the net, this guy appears to be a Republican.

S en. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., whom Durbin said voiced objections to Trump’s comments during the meeting, did not dispute the reported remarks in a statement Friday.

“Following comments by the President, I said my piece directly to him yesterday. The President and all those attending the meeting know what I said and how I feel. I’ve always believed that America is an idea, not defined by its people but by its ideals,” he said, adding that he appreciated Durbin’s statements and has “enjoyed working with him and many others on this important issue.”

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I wouldn't expect/or want you to stop saying what you want say, however it would be nice if you said what you want to say without deflecting to other stories all the time. Its become boring and very repetitive. Deflections are a cheap shot and something that Trump does all the time. For example his comment today regarding his visit to the UK - complete lies regarding Obama yet you choose to defend him and deflect to Obama was a shit President and The Mayor of London is shit. Why nor simply say oops Trump was wrong there??

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The facts about Hillary etc are irrelevant in a debate about Trump and many have made this point.
It's like a lawyer for a shoplifter who took a chocolate bar saying to the store detective someone five years ago took a chocolate bar too so my client is innocent.

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Hillary is relevant to this discussion, she was Trumps opponent in the election only over a year ago. Just because her name isn’t in the topic does not mean she is not relevant.

As I said, I’m not going to stop highlighting stuff where it is relevant.

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If stuff is relevant, great. But there is a perception on this forum that it's frequently not. Your colleague Stuart observed:

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She isn't relevant, she is not, has never been and will never be President, so how can she be relevant. This is about Trumps Presidency, comparisons to previous Presidents are relevant in my opinion.

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I wonder if Trump will sue the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-l...nce-1515787678
This is from a very right wing newspaper, who previously called for Special Counsel Robert Mueller to resign from the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections and accused Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign of colluding with Russia.

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No they are not. It is looking more and more likely that Hillary and her team interfered in the election. The ex Mi6 guy's dossier that is false, and may have used to obtain the FISA warrant and the 'insurance' policy' in case Trump won. Trump as a campaign promise wanted to drain the swamp: The Hillary stuff, is a representative of what the swamp is all about. So it's perfectly fine to talk about it on the Trump thread.

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Drain the swamp?

Hiring senior executives from Exxon, Goldman Sachs, Verizon, and the lobbying spend in Washington is the highest it’s been since 2012 - his campaign manager now runs a lobbying firm, and 20 ex-lobbyists work in the executive office of the President, and of 74 lobbyists identified working in the administration, 49 now work for agencies they used to lobby.

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In fact ls l believe that Trump is a stupid child and a ****. Clinton would have been a better President.

Each day we have stupid tweets from Trump that is having other countries having goes.

To me it feels that Trump is a child and wears nappies and doesn't deserve to have the office of President of the United States

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Forum Management and other members. I have use a NON OFFENSIVE WORD and it has been blocked.

The word begins with a T. and nothing else

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Wise words :erm:

Was the offensive word beginning with T Trump by any chance

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lol x 10 :D:D:D

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As many others have pointed out, more often than not it's a deflection from Trump and irrelevant.
Trump has filled the swamp full of Wall Street and corporate crocodiles and not drained it. Do you not appreciate that is his stomping ground? He's not a blue collar factory worker in Detroit, he's part of the priviliged elite gambling his inherited wealth in property.
But in the interests of objectivity: full credit to him for his reality TV skills and in winning the Presidency.

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Don't like Goldman Sachs either, but that's not what we're talking about here as you well know.

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I completely disagree. You are more than welcome to your opinion though.

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I somehow doubt he'll sue. What's interesting is that the Wall Street Journal's proprietor is Rupert Murdoch.

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Per my previous posts, and as cited, it's the opinion of many.

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So just what are you talking about?

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This kind of thing, which I posted earlier.


Regarding the 'insurance policy, that Prety much means telling the states where Trump won that they are incapable of making the correct decision so We'll do t for you. (very New World Order)

There appears to be a bunch of highly influential decision makers, living outside of the law, pushing their own (globalist) agenda, This has been going on for years. Hopefully, Trump can in some part expose it.

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That's all spin financed by offshore hedge funds keen to get the establishment player Donald Trump in a position of power for them.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...-robert-mercer

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You obviously didn’t or it would not be Starred.

Hillary would be better President ? :rofl:

She cheats Bernie Sanders in the debates by getting questions prior to the debates.

But that was just tip of the iceberg, now there is hopefully potential indictments coming her way once the U.S Inspector General finishes his report. The fact there is evidence her, the DNC and her crooked campaign and cohorts within the FBI, allegedly paid Fusion GPS/Christopher Steele for a Fake Russian Dossier, to get a FISA warrant to illegally spy on her Election Opponents, that’s the Trump campaign. A crime far far bigger than Watergate.

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Maybe we should have a separate Hilary thread ? Although there would only be one poster.....

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Maybe you should mind your own business and sticking your nose in to things that do not concern you. I will tell you what I told Mr Banana, it is none of your concern what is posted in this thread.

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Is there evidence Clinton/DNC paid for the dossier in order to get a warrant against Trump?

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Is it an open discussion forum where people can have a view or is it your forum with your rules Mick?

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Yes it is an open forum yet people like you and Mr K are attacking me because I’m bringing relevant discussion to this topic, Hillary is relevant because she was Trumps opponent and with yours and Mr K’s snide remarks want me to stop posting this info. I repeat it is not yours or his concern so stop going on about it.

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I'm not attacking you? All I have said is that you deflect consistently as I said last night (below)

I wouldn't expect/or want you to stop saying what you want say, however it would be nice if you said what you want to say without deflecting to other stories all the time. Its become boring and very repetitive. Deflections are a cheap shot and something that Trump does all the time. For example his comment today regarding his visit to the UK - complete lies regarding Obama yet you choose to defend him and deflect to Obama was a shit President and The Mayor of London is shit. Why nor simply say oops Trump was wrong there??

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Well she was not very good Mr K but Donald makes her look like mild in comparison as he is unfit on every level for the oval office.

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If I choose to defend him what the hell has that got to do with you ?

The bottom line is, you don't like the fact he has 'defenders' and you want me to stop, dislike him because you hate him, well, I won't and I will carry on because that is my choice, if I want to bring Hillary Clinton in to the debate, I will because she is still relevant because there is an active investigation regarding the U.S Election in 2016, that involves her.

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I am now closing this thread and starting another as this one has grown quite large.

New thread Link here: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...php?t=33705924