Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35382679)

There are a lot of rumours that he is going to Leeds as well...

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35382679)

There are a lot of rumours that he is going to Leeds as well...

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35382789)

Henry, done the right thing, he went back to America, so all that money Wenger wasted on bringing him back didn't help - did it.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35382793)

It was a loan.:rolleyes:. He scored the winner at the weekend and in the FA Cup so I think it did help.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35382794)

Probably a fee involved somewhere though as well as wages.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35382797)

Probably but 'all that money wasted' as well as the implication that Henry wasn't going to go back to America is what I was addressing.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35382807)

I agree and as some one who doesn't support Arsenal I think it was great for the fans to see him again especially those to young to see him first time round, to bad spuds don't have any icons from yesteryear still paying and those decent players they have now won't be seen for dust once Harry goes, bet they won't go back either.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35382888)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17064905



No thanks.:td::td:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35383031)

Why not?

It will mean no more games being call off (Even after 37mins)

Also more money for the Club as they can let the park out to fans or other sports and still play on it the next day.

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35383047)

For the lower leagues it'll be ideal..

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35383331)

Portsmouth is back in administration :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16943651

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35383237)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17070220





Shocking but not a surprise as racism in certain parts of Europe are even more entrenched then in this country.:td::(

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35383534)

no good but theres positive news regarding Koscielny... he needs a weeks rest :D

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what do people think of this... I think its a great idea....



http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2873/...duced-globally

:tu:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35383534)

no good but theres positive news regarding Koscielny... he needs a weeks rest :D
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what do people think of this... I think its a great idea....
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2873/...duced-globally

:tu:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35379847)

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35380141)

Theyall should be done?

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35383369)

Yes very sad news and my brothers one of them who lives in Portsmouth is a bit down in the dumps this morning.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35384102)

The Injuries are absurd. That is now two of our center backs, two of our left backs and one of our right backs.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35384108)

Another CB gone. Three center backs now.

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35384128)

The exit of wenger draws nearer. Whether you Arsenal fans keep defending him or not its another year without a trophy now.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35384137)

The board will not fire Wenger, even if we don't finish 4th. Losing away at Sunderland is no where near the diaster that occurred mid-week, especially given the injury crisis we have in defence. For whatever reason Wenger doesn't have the resources to buy, when you have to turn a profit each year. Hopefully we will see some purchases over the summer and a clear out of some of the poorer players.

Sums up football fans that people are calling for his head given the resources the squad has.

Originally Posted by DocDutch (Post 35384139)

Problem is if we get rid of wenger i still bet that the board won't spend any real money on new players that a new manager would want to get.
My thinking is that the board made a mistake of going for kroenke instead of the Russians

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35384142)

But remember Arsene Wenger has made some poor buys in the last couple of years and has to accept some responsibility for that but l am not saying get rid of him but he does have to admit in the last couple of years that he has got things wrong with his transfer strategy.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35384143)

No they didn't. The Russian wanted to do a Chelsea or City. I would rather have a sustained club that doesn't win trophies often than a risky one which has a period of cleaning up.

Getting rid of Wenger would be madness. Who else can do a better job given the resources they have .

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He has made some good ones as well. This year Arteta, Chamberlain and Mertesacker haven't been bad. Gervinho might well be included in that as well. Last year Koscielny was given the usual criticisms from the 'experts' and from the fair-weather Arsenal fans who never saw him play in the stadium and get their opinions from the press but he has been good.

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35384157)

Resources?

He spent £53 million in the summer!

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35384170)

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/leag...2006-2011.html

Transfer spending since 2006. Arsenal are bottom. Spurs are forth.

Originally Posted by DocDutch (Post 35384284)

Iadom it does work in SAF's favour that the board is willing to spend the money over the odds most of the time ;)

dont you think that if Wenger had the funds to buy a worthless player like Berbatov for 30m that he wouldnt do it?

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35384350)

He may not be buying players, but I still think he can win something with Arsenal.

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35384350)

A friend is busy passing rumours around that Wenger has been summoned to the boardroom on Tuesday morning where he will be sacked.

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35384359)

At start of season, and up to recently, i probably would agree don't sack..now, I think sometimes you do need to change. But that means spending some decent money on getting better players in. Some seasoned pros, some good young blood that can play now..not potential in 5 years

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35384365)

But I looked at that team, and it was woeful.

i suspect fabregas has been carrying that team...now it looks weak...only way that Arsenal will get 4th, is if the other contenders blow it (which granted they seem to be trying to do :D)

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35384367)

Wilshere has been out all season and we have rarely had our entire defence fit.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35384360)

Realistically this is the first season Arsenal are underachieving, even that might not the be the case if we finish 4th. So firing him would be insane. Too many fans and teams want a quick fix, a hasty firing. 6 months of underperformance doesn't negate 15 years of overachieving.

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35384443)

Being a Spurs fan I love winding up the gooners at work.

Tomorrw I'll have a terrible cough

**cough 4 nil cough**

LOL

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35384515)

He hasn't won anything for to long to say it's as simple as 6 months of underachieving there are big problems at that club at the moment and as Wimbledon found selling your best players year in year out only leads to disaster in the end.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35384517)

I don't think Wenger wants to sell his best players and the need to break even has put him at a massive disadvantage against Chelsea and City.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35384525)

Don't really buy this need to break even stuff, even financial fair play doesn't require the stadium to be taken into account in the figures which is some thing the board now seem to have noticed as well considering the papers are full of speculation that the salary caps going to be smashed in the summer and some serious cash is to be spent, trouble is it might be to late to attract anyone by then or keep Van Persie if you're not in the Champions League.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35384574)

You do have to break even for the security of the club. I am unsure why, in recent years, the money from sold players hasn't gone to replace them. I suspect that's why there are rumours of serious cash to be spent but I don't believe they will break the wage structure much, that would be insane. I wouldn't support it either, I would rather drop out of the top four teams but have a stable club rather than do a Leeds or Rangers trying to chase the dream.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35384580)

Instead of going from one extreme to another with Leeds why not just try and keep up with spuds, little debt there, certainly not enough to put the future security of the club at risk and how are you going to make the needed £25 million a year profit without Champions League football.

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35384683)

yeah as much as it pains me cos of top 4 theres enough at your place to finish strong.

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35384843)

Niall Quinn stepping down from his role and sunderland thanks and all the best big man thanks for saving us

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35384850)

He was always a great guy.. I met him at a MCFC charity event when he played for them.. :clap:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35385240)

Wengrr was put in charge when Dein had to leave. Dein still spends more time with Wenger than Wenger does with Ivan. Dein also attends games.

Ok. Wenger as I knew has messed up. payrolls screwed and to top it djouruo has apperently been given a pay rise and more years on his contract.. what a joke, wenger doesnt learn.

therell be problems if Arsenal dont get into the CL for next season.

We had Mata all but signed but Wengerr screwed up, players out going, wages.. in short pathetic.

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35385310)

the AST didnt call Wenger pathetic i did. hes lost control.. infact taken on too much control

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35385326)

when youve got a manager like Wenger you dont need an owner like Usmanov. what you do need though is the best coming in and the average walking out. thats been screwed. Damien feels sorry for the boss. i feel upset/angry.

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35384128)

The exit of wenger draws nearer. Whether you Arsenal fans keep defending him or not its another year without a trophy now.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35385442)

Who will replace him?

Originally Posted by DocDutch (Post 35384139)

Problem is if we get rid of wenger i still bet that the board won't spend any real money on new players that a new manager would want to get.
My thinking is that the board made a mistake of going for kroenke instead of the Russians

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35384142)

But remember Arsene Wenger has made some poor buys in the last couple of years and has to accept some responsibility for that but l am not saying get rid of him but he does however have to admit in the last couple of years that he has got things seriously wrong with his transfer strategy.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35384574)

You do have to break even for the security of the club. I am unsure why, in recent years, the money from sold players hasn't gone to replace them. I suspect that's why there are rumours of serious cash to be spent but I don't believe they will break the wage structure much, that would be insane. I wouldn't support it either, I would rather drop out of the top four teams but have a stable club rather than do a Leeds or Rangers trying to chase the dream.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35384896)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35385449)

Any names on your mind Alan?.:)

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35385431)

The wage bill is too high, spread out amongst average players. It's welcoming news that there will be a lot of players leaving when the window opens which should bring that wage bill down, we need to player the younger/reserve players less than we do.

However we bring in more promising young players than a lot of clubs and pay high wages in lieu of high transfer fees to support such a model. Szcesney and Wilshere are examples of this working. Denilson, Bendtner are examples of this failing. It's difficult to know in advance which will be successes.

Wenger simply doesn't have the money. £55 million and you have to remember that includes money left over from the Fabregas and Nasri deals.

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I don't feel sorry for the boss. Well, I do, because he is being portrayed as a senile old fool when he deserves a lot more respect, especially from the clubs fans considering all he has done.

However that's not why I defend him. I defend him because he remains one of the best managers in the world. This is why the likes of PSG and Madrid still court him to take over, he refused an offer to manage PSG already this season.

The truth is the club breaks even. He doesn't have the money to spend lavishly. So what better manager is there for this than Wenger? A owner like Usmanov will spend his own money, falling foul of FFP and risking the club's security should he ever leave.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35385542)

only £55 million lol and FFP doesn't include stadium costs so Usmanov could pump in millions a year if allowed to, even if it was only the £25 million you suggested earlier that's buying one top class player a season rather than selling one.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35385548)

The £55 million has to cover wages as well as the fee and is only that high because of the sales of Nasri and Fabregas. You take out players going out and Arsenal break even. I agree it would great if the owner paid off the stadium and freed up that money. That would be great. It would instantly negate the need for CL football to break even, it would help first team investment.

The finances effectively mean that in the short term Wenger is still dependent on shipping players out in order to buy - unless we take on more debt or the owner finances it. Long term our commercial deals are under performing because long-term deals were signed almost a decade ago so when they expire that will go drastically up, additionally once the stadium is paid off then all the money also goes into the club. So it's looking rosy long term but in the short term Wenger doesn't have money to invest in the team beyond that raised by outgoing tranfers.