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Sephiroth 13-04-2021 15:01
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36076814)
What - they are bumbling or buffoons, but not both?
Only one of them is a bumbling buffoon.

jfman 13-04-2021 16:17
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36076812)
This risk was identified months ago, and is low in all vaccines and a % will also be natural occurrences
I just find it intriguing that everyone else is playing it safe and we're always just finding it safe enough to not slow us down.

That said British exceptionalism has served us well so far so what could go wrong.

spiderplant 13-04-2021 16:34
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36076805)
Confusion still reigns though.

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PM: "The reduction in hospitalisations, deaths and infections has not been achieved by the vaccination programme. It's the lockdown that has been overwhelmingly important in delivering this improvement in the pandemic"

and Matt Hancock

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I'm delighted to confirm we have met the target to offer a first vaccination to the 9 highest risk groups ahead of the 15 April deadline. Vaccines are safe, effective & have already saved over 10,000 lives - when it's your turn, come forward & get the jab.
The two aren't contradictory. The original prediction was for ~500k deaths if we did nothing. We've actually had ~125k. If vaccines have prevented ~10k so far, everything else (but presumably mostly lockdown) has prevented close to 400k.

Sephiroth 13-04-2021 16:50
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36076822)
I just find it intriguing that everyone else is playing it safe and we're always just finding it safe enough to not slow us down.

That said British exceptionalism has served us well so far so what could go wrong.
Scottish exceptionalism?

jfman 13-04-2021 17:07
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36076829)
Scottish exceptionalism?
Universally accepted around the world. ;)

papa smurf 13-04-2021 17:12
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36076830)
Universally accepted around the world. ;)
About as accepted as a Scottish fiver in cleethorpes;)

Hugh 13-04-2021 17:33
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36076831)
About as accepted as a Scottish fiver in cleethorpes;)
Can't hold them with their webbed fingers...

nomadking 13-04-2021 18:03
Re: Coronavirus
 
For those going on about low numbers and risk, this is what just ONE person can "achieve".
Link
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The outbreak of the Covid-19 variant in south London appears to have been triggered by an individual who travelled from Africa in February, according to documents seen by the BBC.
Surge testing has begun in Wandsworth and Lambeth after 44 confirmed and 30 probable cases were identified.
...
It is thought the virus was spread from that individual to members of their household and then to a care home in Lambeth.Twenty-three cases of the South African variant were detected in the care home - 13 staff and 10 residents.
There's always the vaccines?
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Six of the 10 residents infected had received one dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine two or more weeks before their positive test date.
One of the 13 infected staff had a single Pfizer vaccine dose two or more weeks before their positive test.

jfman 13-04-2021 18:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
Steady nomadking you might dig up evidence the 12 week gap was a political stunt and that’s not on.

Following the science at all times.

nomadking 13-04-2021 18:20
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36076835)
Steady nomadking you might dig up evidence the 12 week gap was a political stunt and that’s not on.

Following the science at all times.
13th February.
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A case of the South African variant of Covid-19 has been identified in a village in Hampshire.
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Surge testing was previously carried out in three postcode areas of Lambeth in Februaryafter a case of the South African variant was discovered.


In March, intensive testing was put in place in three areas of Wandsworth borough following a small number of cases.
All goes to show the damage just one case can do. Now consider a situation with 100 initial cases around the country, and the numbers quickly build up. A low number of current cases is meaningless.

pip08456 13-04-2021 18:22
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36076827)
The two aren't contradictory. The original prediction was for ~500k deaths if we did nothing. We've actually had ~125k. If vaccines have prevented ~10k so far, everything else (but presumably mostly lockdown) has prevented close to 400k.
Only if you accept the predictions based on dubious modelling were correct.

Chris 13-04-2021 19:30
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36076835)
Steady nomadking you might dig up evidence the 12 week gap was a political stunt and that’s not on.

Following the science at all times.
Yeah, because Nicola Sturgeon is exactly the sort of person to go along with one of Boris' political stunts.

Your persistent tinfoil-hatting on this subject is really very silly.

jfman 13-04-2021 19:58
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36076840)
Yeah, because Nicola Sturgeon is exactly the sort of person to go along with one of Boris' political stunts.

Your persistent tinfoil-hatting on this subject is really very silly.
The Scottish Government follows the same JCVI. However they're UK Government appointed, and I assume paid, advisers.

The one thing we do absolutely know is that there would be nobody proactively collecting evidence that they would put in the public domain around it - hence us being the last to notice blood clot risks around the Oxford vaccine and an unnamed senior person within Government leaning on Channel 4 to suppress the story as it'd put releasing restrictions back two weeks.

There would also be a steady stream of establishment mouthpieces willing to deflect and deny for as long as possible to support the Government position.

I did notice Sky's most recent puff piece around the Oxford vaccine.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...llout-12272448

Nothing says you're being defended by the British establishment as much as being defended by a Dame.

Chris 13-04-2021 20:01
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36076842)
The Scottish Government follows the same JCVI. However they're UK Government appointed, and I assume paid, advisers.

The one thing we do absolutely know is that there would be nobody proactively collecting evidence that they would put in the public domain around it - hence us being the last to notice blood clot risks around the Oxford vaccine and an unnamed senior person within Government leaning on Channel 4 to suppress the story as it'd put releasing restrictions back two weeks.
You realise that positing lack of evidence as proof of your position is standard conspiracy theory procedure, yes?

jfman 13-04-2021 20:05
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36076843)
You realise that positing lack of evidence as proof of your position is standard conspiracy theory procedure, yes?
I have no explaination for why it took us six weeks to join the medical regulators around the world in identifying the blood clot issue - despite issuing the most Oxford vaccines by far over the same time period.

I wouldn't pretend to have one. I'm sure many others would.

Maybe pure serendipity. Or Occam's razor.


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