Cable Forum - Coronavirus (OLD)

http://999callfornhs.org.uk/lancet-e...ack/4594892241

This is the most damning trustworthy report I have read that lays bare what was wrong with the UK's approach to CV.

... and there's more in the link.

Crikey Seph, I wasn't expecting that, I thought Mr K was writing in blue ink for a change!

Just need you to add "If this is the quality of the country's sovereign decision-making then let's re-join the EU" and we'll both be on the same page! :D

Sephiroth

27-07-2020 16:45

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044820)

Don't spoil it, Andrew!

I'm a great believer in truth (and an enemy of socialism and Brussels diktat).

nomadking

27-07-2020 17:36

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044811)

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* the government's complete disregard of World Health Organisation evidence
* deeper concern with maintaining a flawed commercial market system than a national service for general public good
* years of underfunding and fragmentation by allowing private health companies to enter and break it up

How much of that isn't politically biased?

An independent(non-UK) report from last year said that the UK was 2nd in being the best prepared. Another independent(non-UK) report also said that the NHS had stock worth £100m ready for a pandemic.

Maggy

27-07-2020 17:38

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044828)

They DID test and trace, until the number of cases grew too large. That was in line with other countries including Germany and South Korea. Again even Germany and South Korea had shortages of PPE and testing kits, and they were "barely" touched by it.

The initial WHO advice was not to bother with the general public wearing face masks, what happened to that?
From your link

How much of that isn't politically biased?

An independent(non-UK) report from last year said that the UK was 2nd in being the best prepared. Another independent(non-UK) report also said that the NHS had stock worth £100m ready for a pandemic.

Got a link or a source?

jfman

27-07-2020 17:45

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044828)

How much of that isn't politically biased?

How much if it isn’t true?

denphone

27-07-2020 17:45

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044828)

They DID test and trace, until the number of cases grew too large. That was in line with other countries including Germany and South Korea. Again even Germany and South Korea had shortages of PPE and testing kits, and they were "barely" touched by it.

The initial WHO advice was not to bother with the general public wearing face masks, what happened to that?
From your link

How much of that isn't politically biased?

An independent(non-UK) report from last year said that the UK was 2nd in being the best prepared. Another independent(non-UK) report also said that the NHS had stock worth £100m ready for a pandemic.

So if you don't agree with it its got to be politically biased?.

Please tell me why you think it is politically biased as its common knowledge that the government of the day have been behind the eight ball on nearly everything since February.

nashville

27-07-2020 17:50

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It is for every persons protection. How can people silly,

peanut

27-07-2020 18:02

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You've got to be a total idiot to book or go on a holiday right now. You can't moan when it goes tits up.

Hugh	27-07-2020 18:08

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044828)

They DID test and trace, until the number of cases grew too large. That was in line with other countries including Germany and South Korea. Again even Germany and South Korea had shortages of PPE and testing kits, and they were "barely" touched by it.

The initial WHO advice was not to bother with the general public wearing face masks, what happened to that?
From your link

How much of that isn't politically biased?

An independent(non-UK) report from last year said that the UK was 2nd in being the best prepared. Another independent(non-UK) report also said that the NHS had stock worth £100m ready for a pandemic.

South Korea had very effective test and trace from early on...

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South Korea has effectively flattened its curve without imposing strict stay-home measures of other countries by developing an aggressive and widespread strategy of testing and contact tracing. With free, 10-minute tests conducted in drive-thru and walk-in centers, the country of 51 million had tested over 270,000 people by mid-March, reports the Guardian.

Further, utilizing GPS phone tracking, CCTV and credit card transaction monitoring, the country employs a comprehensive universal contact tracing strategy—automating alerts to people who may have been exposed to COVID-19 via text message. Officials say this system requires only 10-minutes per case.

And Germany

jfman

27-07-2020 18:32

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Well people did want the rules simplified.

The Foreign Office now advises against all non-essential travel to Spain - including the islands.

If the media didn’t act wilfully stupid to try and stoke sentiment around “hard done by” people who went on holiday during a global pandemic then the Government could operate nuanced rules. If people want things straightforward then there’s an easy way to achieve that - and not always in a positive way.

Hom3r

27-07-2020 18:41

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I saw a doctor talking, he said wearing a face mask does not reduce O2 into the body, and if your breathing stops you wearing a mask, you shouldn't be out in the first place.

I feel those with special need, should be exempt, and store should say no mask no entry.

But they are too scared about the negative publicity.

1andrew1

27-07-2020 19:04

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36044836)

Those with special needs are exempt from wearing them. How the stores handle matters is up to them within the confines of the law.

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