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Expect the action to be repeated for other countries when outbreaks happen.

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I believe so, along with the Balearics.

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The fact remains that the likes of Prof Whittey, by his own admission, were advising the government against an early lockdown. The government accepted that advice - why would they not?

Unless you let the virus run free in the population, we will continue to get second, third, fourth (etc) waves. It will carry on like that until it is done with us.

There is surely enough evidence of this in other parts of the world, and most recently in Spain. Admittedly, the virus would have been slowed down quicker had there been an earlier lockdown in the UK, but that would simply have left more people to be infected at a later date.

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Yeah, if it worked! Boris fell for the civil service hype. They cannot keep to deadlines or what is expected of them for the life of them! I'm glad to see that a purge is on the cards.

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Any further lockdown should be targeted and focussed on 'at risk' groups. A total lockdown is taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

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Hopefully, this will apply only to mainland Spain. It would be foolish to include the Canaries if their infection rates were acceptable.

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You're making the assumption that there's lasting immunity. This remains unproven. There's no option to let the virus 'run free' - nobody, anywhere in the world, considers that a realistic proposition.

Even the Uber-capitalists in the United States are finding that restrictions are required.

A further lockdown, or indeed lockdowns, will be of the size and scale necessary to suppress the virus at that time. That depends on the numbers in the community - not some flawed ideological belief that people will continue to spend money while they lose jobs and risk their health carrying out normal day to day business.

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I have bought the face shields as I feel you can breath better,

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The problem is too many people are behaving as if there isn't anything going on. Too many people partying etc. Too many people attending non-essential gatherings. If people were more cautious, here and on holiday abroad, things might ease up.

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Do they help with anything but face-to-face encounters? Eg If somebody is behind you, are you still protected from their exhaled breath? Mind you, the issue should be academic, if everybody else is wearing face masks, shields, or coverings.


Not sure they should be the first choice. Only use when a mask isn't an option.

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Indeed, and normal behaviour has an inevitable outcome which is where the Government will inevitably step in.

Boris himself said it in statement of 16 March - we need to minimise social contact and avoid unnecessary travel. These things are as true today as they were then.

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If this pandemic tracks anything like the 1918 one then yes, a second wave is coming in early October:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/07/7.png

This is interesting reading:

https://khn.org/news/fact-check-is-a...avirus-coming/

It gives some analysis why this pandemic may not have the same profile as Spanish Flu but you never know ...

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That statement is not based in reality, only in your rabid fealty to BJ/DC, and your apparent belief they can do know wrong.

He has form in promising things that have no basis in reality - remember the Social Care promise, in his first public speech after winning the Tory Leadership/becoming PM?

Then in January this year, this happened BJ asked the EU for a three-month delay to Brexit, having previously said he would rather be "dead in a ditch".

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Ironically, the Transport Minister, Grant Shapps has been.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...OVID-19-update

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Put it this way, it's not made it onto Russia's to-hack list. ;)

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Somewhat morbidly, he came closer to delivering on that promise than many others.

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This is not 1918 and it is not the flu (as I am continually reminded). Although a US slanted article it says as much and advises

I think that is more like what we are, and will be, seeing.

I certainly see no evidence for a large scale 2nd wave In the UK akin to April/May of this year.

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That’s the thing though - it’s not like it’s going to give us a sign saying it’s coming in two weeks and make some plans.

Boris claiming everything will be back to normal by Christmas (relatively) begs the question what changes between now and then? Does test, trace, isolate have the capacity to quickly identify cases and their close contacts?

If it does not and people behave “relatively” normal then in the absence of divine intervention it’d take a second wave a small number of weeks to escalate out of control from “everything is fine” - let’s call that January 31 and “lockdown” on March 23.

The push to get people back into offices, back onto public transport and back into pubs and restaurants all the while schools are in easily has the potential for the 700 cases a day England are reporting to become a few thousand per day in the pre-symptomatic phase. Where’s the mitigation?

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Tbh anyone booking an abroad holiday in the middle of this is bonkers. Plenty of lovely places in this country. Staying in the UK for one summer isn't a great hardship and would give the economy some help. We voted for self isolation in 2016, so get used to staycations, as going abroad will be more expensive/complicated, even without a pandemic.

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Agreed. I think confusingly isolation instructions are at country level, but travel instructions are more precise.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a9638176.html

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The wifes brother and his family were booked for Spain in a few weeks, they are now hurriedly trying to 're-book' or alter their holiday destination to Greece
. . . like that's a good idea :rolleyes:


Sun, Sea, Sangria and Covid :D

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Apart from the all to predictable Brexit dig, I agree. We shelved any plans for a foreign holiday late Feb.