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Sephiroth 12-12-2022 19:06
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Maybe the usual Remainer suspects will have something to say about corruption at the top of the EU Parliament.

Dave42 12-12-2022 19:11
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36141707)
Maybe the usual Remainer suspects will have something to say about corruption at the top of the EU Parliament.
maybe the leavers will say something about the corruption of the UK government but bet they wont corruption should be called out no matter what party and the corrupt people dealt with

Julian 12-12-2022 19:23
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36141708)
maybe the leavers will say something about the corruption of the UK government but bet they wont corruption should be called out no matter what party and the corrupt people dealt with
Whilst true, doesn't your post come under heading of Whataboutery which is trotted out here quite frequently ...... ;)

Hugh 12-12-2022 19:30
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Reply from the Head of the U.K. Statistics Authority to a complaint from an MP about the Conservative claim about "new trade deals" since Brexit.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1670873315

https://uksa.statisticsauthority.gov...al-statistics/

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Response from Sir Robert Chote to Drew Hendry MP – Trade deal statistics

Dear Mr Hendry,

Thank you for contacting us with your concerns about a trade infographic shared by the Conservative Party on Twitter, which stated that the Government has “secured new free trade deals with over 70 countries since 2016. That’s over £800 billion worth of new global trade”.

As regards the figure of £800 billion, we presume that this has been calculated from figures for UK trade by country published by the Office for National Statistics. These show that the value of total trade with the EU was £559 billion in 2021 (exports of £267 billion plus imports of £292 billion) and that the value of total trade with the 71 non-EU countries with which the UK has agreed trade deals since 2016, including those where existing deals with the EU have been rolled over, was £245 billion, giving a total of £804 billion. These non-EU countries include 67 listed by the Department for International Trade plus Australia, Brunei, Malaysia and New Zealand (with whom the Government has signed deals that are not yet in force).

Under the principles of intelligent transparency, we would expect the infographic to include a source for the figure so that the public can verify the numbers, understand the definitions used and put the data into context. More specifically in this case, it is misleading to describe the £800 billion figure as a measure of “new global trade” resulting from the recent deals. That would imply that there had been no trade with these countries before the recent deals and that there would be none now without them.

We have spoken to the Conservative Party and asked that any future communications include a link or reference to the source of statistics. We have also requested that the Party be more transparent about the context and assumptions that have been made to construct such statements and infographics.

Yours sincerely,

Sir Robert Chote

Hugh 12-12-2022 19:39
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36141707)
Maybe the usual Remainer suspects will have something to say about corruption at the top of the EU Parliament.
Any alleged corruption should be investigated, and if MEPs/officials are found guilty, appropriate punishments issued.

Sephiroth 12-12-2022 19:52
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36141708)
maybe the leavers will say something about the corruption of the UK government but bet they wont corruption should be called out no matter what party and the corrupt people dealt with
Typical. What have you to say about the corrupt EU?

ianch99 12-12-2022 20:18
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36141720)
Typical. What have you to say about the corrupt EU?
We can see the corrupt Tory Leave government in plain sight, where's the evidence of this EU "corruption"?

Sephiroth 12-12-2022 20:25
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141722)
We can see the corrupt Tory Leave government in plain sight, where's the evidence of this EU "corruption"?
Here.

Dave42 12-12-2022 20:51
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36141720)
Typical. What have you to say about the corrupt EU?
the people that been corrupt in EU should feel full force of the law will you say same about the corrupt UK government

1andrew1 12-12-2022 21:03
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36141707)
Maybe the usual Remainer suspects will have something to say about corruption at the top of the EU Parliament.
Lock her up with Gove. They deserve one another.

Sephiroth 12-12-2022 21:07
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36141728)
the people that been corrupt in EU should feel full force of the law will you say same about the corrupt UK government
Full force of the law must be applied to any proven (in Court) UK Government corruption.

Obviously - why did you need to extract that from me?

Ms NTL 12-12-2022 21:30
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Clearly, EU is useless. The vice president of EU only got 600,000 Euros cash bribe from the Qataris. Our King got 3,000,000 cash in a suitcase from the Qataris.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...in-qatari-cash

Compare returns and efficiency! Britain is on the way up!

Sephiroth 12-12-2022 21:48
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36141731)
Clearly, EU is useless. The vice president of EU only got 600,000 Euros cash bribe from the Qataris. Our King got 3,000,000 cash in a suitcase from the Qataris.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...in-qatari-cash

Compare returns and efficiency! Britain is on the way up!
My followers will know that I am not a fan of Charlie Farley.
Horrible mountebank and I'm surprised that this particular bag of cash has not been further investigated by the press.

ianch99 12-12-2022 22:55
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36141724)
No, you said the "EU is corrupt"? Individual politicians have been corrupt since the world began so what's new? At least in the EU, said politician is likely to be prosecuted. In this country, they parade in plain sight.

You seem not interested in the 37 billion spaffed down the drain in Track & Trace, the billions written off in Covid fraud, the 100's of millions given to Tory chums to supply useless PPE, the billions given to Banks in tax breaks when the money could pay the Nurses, the 30 billion black hole created by Truss, etc. The list is endless and yet you focus on the "corrupt EU"?

Sephiroth 12-12-2022 23:14
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141739)
No, you said the "EU is corrupt"? Individual politicians have been corrupt since the world began so what's new? At least in the EU, said politician is likely to be prosecuted. In this country, they parade in plain sight.

You seem not interested in the 37 billion spaffed down the drain in Track & Trace, the billions written off in Covid fraud, the 100's of millions given to Tory chums to supply useless PPE, the billions given to Banks in tax breaks when the money could pay the Nurses, the 30 billion black hole created by Truss, etc. The list is endless and yet you focus on the "corrupt EU"?
You're splitting hairs. The "corrupt EU" is all the headlines right now and the Commission President has also gone public on this.

Actually, as an organisation, the EU is indeed corrupt. Democratically corrupt. It is sneakily engineering the removal of sovereignty from the constituent nations to the centre; it wants the European Union Parliament to trump national parliaments. And they are sneakily doing this bit by bit.

When/if that happens, the political groups with their collective interests will outvote minorities. The certainly would have happened to the Uk if federalisation were to occur should we have remined in the EU.

Sovereignty is everything; all it then needs is a competent government which we don't have.


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