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1andrew1

18-02-2021 10:02

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36071088)

The EU catches molluscs in the same waters as we do and it seems illogical that they should impose rules on our catches that are not imposed on theirs.

After all, the EU has made much of the special case of the UK's proximity to the EU. Molluscs should come into that category for obvious reasons. The fact that it doesn't is evidence of the EU's intent on punishing the UK for Brexit.

They are the enemy. Simples - and your advocacy does you no favours.

No advocacy going on here, Seph, more of a humble messenger being shot for his efforts at providing some information.

If it wasn't in the deal, it wasn't in the deal. Simples. In practice, I'm sure George Eustice knows this and is prepared to accept a bit of small restructuring in the fishing sector. If a few people blame it on the EU, even better!

Higher-value molluscs from better quality UK waters are not impacted by the requirement that molluscs in Class 2 waters are and these account for most of our mollusc exports. But yes, we had over time to build the depuration plants before 31 December but did not.

1andrew1

18-02-2021 12:38

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I'm not sure that this will go down well with the newly appointed EU Minister Lord Frost despite its strong backing.

Quote:

Restart Brexit talks because UK is ‘less safe and less secure’, Tory group tells Boris Johnson

‘Every day that passes is storing up problems ... the government cannot simply cross its fingers and hope’

Talks to rebuild security cooperation with the EU must restart now after the Brexit deal left the UK “less safe and less secure”, a Conservative group says.
Boris Johnson is accused of “not being ambitious enough” after the agreement shut down access to vital criminal databases, including records of stolen identities and wanted people.

Ejection from the European Arrest Warrant system means “some criminals will not be extradited”, while leaving Europol means the UK will lose crucial influence, a report says.

Significantly, it has been carried out for the Conservative European Forum (CEF) – led by Tory heavyweights David Lidington and Dominic Grieve – and written by a former head of the Bar Council.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1803583.html

Pierre

18-02-2021 12:44

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36071116)

I'm not sure that this will go down well with the newly appointed EU Minister Lord Frost despite its strong backing.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1803583.html

Rabid Brexiteers Dominic Grieve and David Lidington

1andrew1

18-02-2021 12:58

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36071120)

Rabid Brexiteers Dominic Grieve and David Lidington

I'd never call any Brexiter rabid :angel: but I get the impression that this wing of the Conservative Party is opposite to the ERG wing. ;)

Hom3r

18-02-2021 13:42

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LOL
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...urvey-research

I buy British were possible.

Hugh	18-02-2021 13:48

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36071131)

LOL
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...urvey-research

I buy British were possible.

https://internetretailing.net/intern...-surveys-22692

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UK shoppers have started to avoid buying from EU retailers since the Brexit transition period ended, a new poll suggests. More than a third (34%) of UK shoppers questioned in a poll said they had had stopped buying goods and services from the EU following the end of the post-Brexit transition period.

Specialist technology PR and marketing agency Eskenzi PR & Marketing questioned 1,000 UK adults in early February 2021 via Censuswide. It found that since December 31, when the post-Brexit transition period came to an end and the UK started to trade under the new terms of new UK/EU deal, shoppers were less likely to want to buy from an EU-based retailer.

Almost a quarter (24%) of respondents aged between 16 and 24 said they were put off buying cross-border by increased costs, while 26% said their decision was as a result of increased delays.

“Following all the bad publicity around buying products from the EU post-Brexit, it is clearly having an impact on consumer buying habits”, says Yvonne Eskenzi, co-founder, and director at Eskenzi PR. “It is evident to see that UK consumers are being put off buying goods from the EU due to the various complications Brexit has created. We can only hope that this is a temporary measure. Post-Brexit Britain is still in its embryonic stage, and the true nature of our new relationship will have to be measured across the course of the following months – and indeed, years.”

Sephiroth

18-02-2021 14:03

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Post-Brexit Britain is still in its embryonic stage, and the true nature of our new relationship will have to be measured across the course of the following months – and indeed, years.

This will be a sign to UK entrepreneurs to seize the opportunity of plugging the goods gap. This should make the EU as third "country" as we are to the EU.

All I ask now is that they are not referred to as "our friends in Europe". It is a hollow term in the political context.

OLD BOY

18-02-2021 14:07

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With friends like them, who needs enemies? I think there should be another government campaign to buy British. That will not only hurt the EU in the pocket, it would help to recoup some of our losses on this deal, before we forge new and better relationships with the rest of the world.

Hom3r

18-02-2021 14:12

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36071133)

https://internetretailing.net/intern...-surveys-22692

I do the food shop for me and my dad, I just buy what I want, and will happily pay more for British goods, the only real time I look at cost is if there are offers etc.

1andrew1

18-02-2021 14:35

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36071141)

I do the food shop for me and my dad, I just buy what I want, and will happily pay more for British goods, the only real time I look at cost is if there are offers etc.

What about your car, phone, laptop, TV, wine and clothes?

Sephiroth

18-02-2021 15:00

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36071148)

What about your car, phone, laptop, TV, wine and clothes?

Cars: Japanese
Phones: Not made in the EU
Laptops: Not made in the EU
Clothes: Not made in the EU
Wine: No longer from the EU
TV: Japanese

Cheese: Not made in the EU
Gherkins: Polish
Mustard: Polish

Salami: Stopped eating
Fruit: Not from the EU

Daily Telegraph: A reasonable newspaper.

Hugh	18-02-2021 15:03

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36071141)

I do the food shop for me and my dad, I just buy what I want, and will happily pay more for British goods, the only real time I look at cost is if there are offers etc.

The survey wasn’t about food shopping, it was about buying goods direct from the EU, not about buying EU goods already in our stores...

Re food shopping, I agree with you - I try to buy British, and even then, local foodstuffs if possible.

Haven’t found anywhere in Yorkshire growing bananas, pineapples, and citrus fruit, though... ;)

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36071155)

You were doing so well until then... :D

btw, if you’re using Google, the data centres that you use are in the EU (Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands, & Finland)....

Sephiroth

18-02-2021 16:13

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36071156)

<SNIP>

You were doing so well until then... :D

btw, if you’re using Google, the data centres that you use are in the EU (Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands, & Finland)....

You got me there, Squire.

Pierre

18-02-2021 16:50

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36071156)

btw, if you’re using Google, the data centres that you use are in the EU (Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands, & Finland)....

That's an extremely simplistic way to view things. Not wrong, just very simplistic.

Hugh	18-02-2021 17:50

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36071155)

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36071156)

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36071171)

That's an extremely simplistic way to view things. Not wrong, just very simplistic.

You're absolutely right - I could have pointed out that 1.64 million Japanese cars were made in Europe in 2019 (as very few of the bigger-selling Japanese vehicles are built in Japan and exported to the UK), so there is a reasonable likelyhood his car was made there (and if it was made in the UK, there would have been a lot of European-manufactured parts in it).

I could have pointed out that most Japanese makes of TVs are built in Europe (Sony in Slovakia, LG in Poland, Samsung in Hungary & Slovakia, Panasonic in the Czech Republic).

If he has a Dell laptop, it will have been built in Limerick.

But I didn't, because, after all, it was just a throwaway joke line, so I thought a "not wrong, just very simplistic" answer was more appropriate... ;)

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