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That is under the assumption that each generation of Peers starts of afresh, not using the money from the generations before...

<narrator>"that doesn't happen"

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Wow, you're two faced logic is just unbelieveable.
The founder of the Guardian is also the same human being he was back then.
By following your logic, either the statue should have been left alone, or the Guardian closed.

Btw, the "vile" human being also did a lot of good on his death.

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In which case, they've inherited it, not made it.

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And that's why the statue is there. It's nowt to do with slavery.

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And used the inheritance to create more wealth - without the starting point, they would not have the wealth they now earn.


Not far from me - Harewood House

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On the other hand that was with money largely made from slavery. You shouldn't get to be remembered as a good person because some of the money you used by transporting, selling and killing human beings is given to charity. His company used to brand slaves with a hot iron so that they were clearly 'theirs' and thousands of them died in transportation. The statue effectively ignores that because the money went to Bristol.

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When are we going to destroy all the statues and memorials of Egyptian Pharoahs ?

I’m marching on the Sphinx tomorrow to burn it down.

How much do they earn each year in tourism dollars ofF the back Of the slaves that built the pyramids.......( it was aliens actually but ssh)

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The fact remains that he did what he did, and a lot of people have benefited from it. The statue was not erected to celebrate his evil deeds, nor were schools and streets so named. I would venture that very few people with statues have zero skeletons in their closet. History is what it is.

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There are, I believe, reports (or theories) that slaves were not in fact used to build it or the pyramids, either way, good luck burning down solid stone, it will take some doing.

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Oh dear ..

So, I see .. it is ok to traffic in human cargo, killing many, as long as you make lots of money and give some of it away. Got it ..

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It is clear OB knew that .. he was just making mischief :)

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Closer to home what about the rubble strewn across Salisbury Plain.

They should demolish it and use the gravel to build the badly needed by-pass.

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It wasn't erected to celebrate his evil deeds but the good deeds he did do were funded by that slavery.

I think that's different to someone who's good deeds are unconnected to why there are honoured. George Washington owned slaves, but the Washington Monument exists to honour him as a Founding Father, Leader of the Patriot Army and the first US President.

So that's where I think a key difference lies, especially since all historical figures will likely be tainted by the period of the history they lived in. The question we should ask is what did they do and did the good outweigh the bad? Churchill? Absolutely yes, the good outweighs the bad.

Does Colston's charity outweigh slavery? I don't think so.

But going back to what I said many pages ago, and to reference Pierre's point about the pyramids, maybe the better thing to do is put new information up saying where the money that built those buildings in Bristol came from.

This is who Colston is, this is what he did with the money and this is where that money came from kind of a thing.

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Yes, some links here:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...6091E720100110
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4...laves%E2%80%99

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The pyramids are a bad example but there are others that can be used across history. Romans, Ottermans, mongolian structures.

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So he inherited the wealth, that's not his fault. You can't pin the slavery on him. We are not responsible for the sins of our forefathers, and life goes on.

I feel the movement has been hijacked by these violent protesters. It's about police violence against black people in the US, not freaking statues. :no:

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If one could make money from self righteous indignation there would be a couple of millionaires on these pages;)

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Can I borrow some money? ;)

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Err .. what would they bypassing if they demolished it?