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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

Christians are told to pray for all of their leaders, regardless of whether they support their views or not.

They should pray for Trump, and they should have prayed for Obama when he was President. Many Christians did pray for Obama,

Trump invited Christians in the Whitehouse; Obama was free to do the same.

I'm surptised you missed this one ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YoWKZXzXyM

Which cheered my heart, and probablt saddened a few others on here.

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35936980)

Do you really think Trump has strong religious convictions or is he being politically opportunistic ? Certainly the life he's led and things he's done doesn't suggest he follows Christian teachings !

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35936980)

Christians are told to pray for all of their leaders, regardless of whether they support their views or not.

They should pray for Trump, and they should have prayed for Obama when he was President. Many Christians did pray for Obama,

Trump invited Christians in the Whitehouse; Obama was free to do the same.

I'm surptised you missed this one ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YoWKZXzXyM

Which cheered my heart, and probablt saddened a few others on here.

Do you mean like the White House Easter Prayer Breakfasts he held every year? (and which Trump discontinued).

Or do you mean when he issued a National Day of Prayer proclamation every year he was President?

Or do you mean the National Day of Prayer Breakfasts he held every February?

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35936962)

I find this also disturbing:

Faith Leaders Pray for Trump in Oval Office, Enjoy 'Open Door' at White House

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/loc...?itok=fb1dy9lr

Does anyone know why my linked picture is no longer working?

No problem, here it is:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/02/6.jpg

See also: What's behind Trump's prayer in the Oval Office

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All of which leads us to the odd sight of Donald Trump emerging as the choice of evangelical leaders. Trump doesn't regularly attend church, has publicly displayed a wobbly knowledge of the Bible, and has spent his life worshipping Mammon, running casinos (one of which had a strip club) and openly cheating on at least two of his three wives.

Nevertheless, he has promised to advance the social conservative agenda by appointing anti-abortion judges, and for many religious leaders that is good enough.

As I said disturbing that people with such right of centre views have such a close and intimate relationship with the President.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35937001)

Well done Obama, seriously. Why are people on here attacking Trump about his Christian connections?

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35937006)

Well done Obama, seriously. Why are people on here attacking Trump about his Christian connections?

Because he doesn't have any connections of genuine beliefs, he's a hypocrite.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35937006)

Well done Obama, seriously. Why are people on here attacking Trump about his Christian connections?

because their sad and are running out of reasons to hate him .

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35937017)

because their sad and are running out of reasons to hate him .

Oh golly l must be a very miserable old git then..;)

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35937006)

Well done Obama, seriously. Why are people on here attacking Trump about his Christian connections?

You misunderstand. It is the type of Christian connections I find disturbing. If you can put aside how he can, with his history of personal & business behaviour, be "acceptable" as a Christian President, the Evangelicals he associates with have dubious views on a range of areas e.g. advocacy of gun rights, anti-abortion, anti same-sex marriage, anti-gay, subordination of women in the ministry & marriage, etc.

These people seem to have a direct communication channel to POTUS that other pressure groups do not have. How much he listens to them and how much he positions legislation favouring their views remains to be seen but I do think it is disturbing all the same ..

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35937059)

have dubious views on a range of areas e.g. advocacy of gun rights, anti-abortion, anti same-sex marriage, anti-gay, subordination of women in the ministry & marriage, etc.

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gun rights are an American thing, not a Biblical thing.

anti-abortion is a Biblical thing; They are Christian and therefore they support it.

I have shared my views on Homosexuality several times. Any Christian who hates gay people is in the wrong, because God loves them and his desire is that they turn to Him for help

subordination of women in the ministry & marriage, etc. That is utter nonsense. Women's ministry is alive and well in churches

According to a recent book on Trump, he started watching Christian TV about 10 years ago. He had a friend, who was a prominent evangelical teacher who guided him through questions that he had. She was a woman.

Personally, I am delighted that that there is a strong Christian presence around Trump. Long may it continue.

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35937080)

gun rights are an American thing, not a Biblical thing.

Agreed. So the last thing you would want to hear, as a Christian, is Richard Land having this view:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Land#Gun_rights

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In the aftermath of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, in December 2012, Land made the following comments in an NPR interview regarding the use of a weapon: "If I find that someone is trying to do harm to someone else, I believe that I have a moral and Christian obligation to do what ever I can - with the least amount of violence necessary - but if necessary, lethal violence to stop them from harming others. That's loving my neighbor as myself. That's doing unto others as I would have them do unto me.

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35937080)

subordination of women in the ministry & marriage, etc. That is utter nonsense. Women's ministry is alive and well in churches

Jack Graham, pastor of Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano, Texas, one of those present, holds the views that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southe...er-based_roles

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By explicitly defining the pastoral office as the exclusive domain of males, the 2000 BF&M provision becomes the SBC's first-ever official position against women pastors.

and

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The 2000 BF&M now prescribes a husband-headship authority structure, closely following the apostle Paul's exhortations in Ephesians 5:21–33

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35937080)

Personally, I am delighted that that there is a strong Christian presence around Trump. Long may it continue.

You may be delighted with the close relationship these kind of people have with Trump but I am sure a lot of Americans are not

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35937084)

Agreed. So the last thing you would want to hear, as a Christian, is Richard Land having this view:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Land#Gun_rights

Jack Graham, pastor of Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano, Texas, one of those present, holds the views that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southe...er-based_roles

and

You may be delighted with the close relationship these kind of people have with Trump but I am sure a lot of Americans are not

Am I responsible for What every other Christian person in the world says? No! You know my views, which I'm happy to answer on. Don't expect me to answer for others's views. My views are based on the Bible, which I believe to be the infalable inspired word of God.

High powered supposed Christians get it wrong. The current Pope gets it wrong. Here's what he says: 'Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!'
http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/fait...y.php?id=51077

Here's what the Bible says: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Ephesians 2 V 8-10

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

Bannon speaks for twenty hours in Mueller investigation and answers all questions, then refuses to answer any questions at Senate Hearing, except for 25 pre-approved questions from White House, to which he answers "no".

https://apnews.com/b6fa94335f644d3da...-investigation

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Steve Bannon, the combative former chief strategist for President Donald Trump, was interrogated for 20 hours over two days this week as part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation, according to a person familiar with the process.

The person, who declined to be named because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the investigation, said Bannon answered every question that was put to him by Mueller’s team. That’s in contrast to a Thursday interview with the House intelligence committee, where Bannon declined to answer some of lawmakers’ questions, despite a subpoena...

...After Bannon’s roughly three-hour interview on Capitol Hill, Republicans on the House intelligence panel were weighing whether to hold him in contempt. Like his first visit to the House intelligence committee in January, Bannon declined to answer questions in the closed-door session.

According to lawmakers of both parties, Bannon would only answer 25 questions that had been pre-approved by the White House when asked about any events in the time period after President Donald Trump’s election. His answer to each question was “no” and he told the committee he was not authorized to elaborate...

...Texas Rep. Mike Conaway, the Republican leading the panel’s Russia probe, said Bannon would only answer the pre-approved questions about any time period past the day Trump was elected in November 2016. He said committee Republicans would discuss whether to hold Bannon in contempt with House lawyers and with House Speaker Paul Ryan, who is likely to have the final say.

“That’s an ongoing conversation we’ll have among an awful lot of lawyers,” Conaway said after Bannon’s interview.

At least one Republican on the intelligence panel said before the interview that a contempt vote would be necessary if Bannon were uncooperative. Florida Rep. Tom Rooney said Tuesday that if Bannon didn’t cooperate with the panel and they didn’t hold him in contempt, that would set a bad precedent.

“For not just our committee but every committee, that (subpoenas) don’t mean anything, that it’s just a hollow threat,” Rooney said. “You can’t do that.”

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35937100)

So are you saying all of those died before Jesus started his mission, and all of those since who lived in lands which did not know about Christianity, and all Jews, will not be able to go to Heaven?

John 14:6

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Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

Don't worry Hugh, PB will come back with something from the bible to cover that, they always do.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35937118)

Don't worry Hugh, PB will come back with something from the bible to cover that, they always do.

Probably something from the Book of Trump Chapter 12 v9-12

Donald Trump: You know and I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach.

Unknown: She used to be great. She’s still very beautiful.

Trump: I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it. I did try and f*** her. She was married.

Unknown: That’s huge news.

Trump. No, no, Nancy. This was— And I moved on her very heavily in fact. I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture. I took her out furniture. I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there, and she was married.

Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big, phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.

[The men spot Arianne Zucker waiting for them outside the bus]

Bush: Sheesh, your girl’s hot as shit. In the purple.

Trump: Whoa! Yes! Whoa!

Unknown: Yes! The Donald has scored. Whoa, my man!

Trump: Look at you. You are a pussy.

[crosstalk as the bus doors open and close - Trump is still on the bus]

Trump: Maybe it’s a different one.

Bush: It better not be the publicist. No, it’s her. It’s —

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful - I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.

And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab them by the p****. You can do anything.

Praise the Lord, a true man of faith....