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1andrew1 18-10-2017 21:57
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
Interesting to see Shell adding charging to some of its petrol stations.
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Royal Dutch Shell has launched a fast-charging service for electric vehicles at three Shell service stations near London and in northern England, the company said on Wednesday.
The service, which charges most electric vehicle batteries from zero to 80 per cent within half an hour, is the oil major’s first foray into fast-charging electric vehicles, whose use is set to grow with consumers’ demand for cleaner cars.
Shell will expand the service further in Britain and into the Netherlands and the Philippines, the company said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a8006206.html

Chris 18-10-2017 22:43
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The writing’s on the wall. They’re going to have to embrace it sooner or later, and try to make the best of it as well, by expanding their retail offering to maximise the opportunities presented by drivers potentially being on-site for longer. Even so, I think there’s no long-term future for the filling station as we presently conceive it. The charging time means future “filling” stations are mostly going to have to be close to destinations rather than strategic points en-route, with the exception of long-distance routes (ie motorways, where the additional infrastructure for coping with drivers waiting around actually already exists).

papa smurf 18-10-2017 22:46
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35920737)
Well as I am now retraining as a Baptist church minister I am neither going to secure a fat salary, nor win the lottery. So I guess I’d better find a house near my church so I’ll only ever have to worry about shoe leather. :D
don't you mean sandal leather ;)

Damien 18-10-2017 23:13
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35920746)
The writing’s on the wall. They’re going to have to embrace it sooner or later, and try to make the best of it as well, by expanding their retail offering to maximise the opportunities presented by drivers potentially being on-site for longer. Even so, I think there’s no long-term future for the filling station as we presently conceive it. The charging time means future “filling” stations are mostly going to have to be close to destinations rather than strategic points en-route, with the exception of long-distance routes (ie motorways, where the additional infrastructure for coping with drivers waiting around actually already exists).
Proper wireless charging exists as well although it's currently really inefficient but before too long we could see it at car parks and such.

pip08456 18-10-2017 23:47
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
Shell are installing charging points in petrol stations.

Link

Brunel 19-10-2017 09:49
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Local LIDL have a free charging point, in the car park.

heero_yuy 19-10-2017 15:34
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A BLAZING Tesla has sparked electric car safety fears after firefighters battled to extinguish the inferno.

The Model S was engulfed in flames after its 19-year-old driver crashed into a concrete barrier in Austria.

And fire crews struggled to put out the billowing flames caused by the lithium-ion batteries.

Toxic gases released by the burning power packs meant firefighters had to wear special breathing kit to tackle the blaze.

And while the driver made it out safely, it took five fire engines and 35 crew members to finally get the fire under control.

The terrifying video shows huge plumes of smoke erupting around the wrecked £50,000 plug-in car as the battery is cooled.
Source

And you thought a petrol tank was dangerous.

AbyssUnderground 19-10-2017 15:43
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Five fire engines and 35 crew were standing by. It did not take all of them to put it out (watch the video and see for yourself). Yet another over exaggeration by the media and non-EV lovers to discredit them.

Cars set on fire and burn every day. They're no different to EV's in any way, it just somehow becomes a big deal when it's an EV.

nashville 19-10-2017 16:21
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35920737)
Well as I am now retraining as a Baptist church minister I am neither going to secure a fat salary, nor win the lottery. So I guess I’d better find a house near my church so I’ll only ever have to worry about shoe leather. :D
Well said Chris ;)

Damien 19-10-2017 16:44
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35920691)
We had a Tesla owner stay with us last year. Loved having it on the driveway even if it was only for one night. :D
!
You have should 'borrowed' it. Offered to test it on the Scottish roads for them.

Chris 20-10-2017 15:34
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35920838)
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And you thought a petrol tank was dangerous.
It is. It contains something like 50 litres of volatile liquid whose vapour is explosive at a lower concentration than hydrogen (and a lot else). While they catch fire a lot more often than we might like to think, cars don't routinely explode because plenty of work has been done on keeping the fuel sealed away from sources of ignition even after an accident. However under the right conditions they can and do burn, sometimes with horrible results.

Two pumps attended this fire in Greater Manchester. GMFRS said they deal with vehicle fires "several times a day".

BenMcr 25-10-2017 14:26
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...el-study-finds

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Electric cars emit significantly less greenhouse gases over their lifetimes than diesel engines even when they are powered by the most carbon intensive energy, a new report has found.

In Poland, which uses high volumes of coal, electric vehicles produced a quarter less emissions than diesels when put through a full lifecycle modelling study by Belgium’s VUB University.

CO2 reductions on Europe’s cleanest grid in Sweden were a remarkable 85%, falling to around one half for countries such as the UK.

Stuart 25-10-2017 16:27
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35920838)
Source

And you thought a petrol tank was dangerous.
From the article
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While the Tesla performed as it should by containing the fire just in the battery compartment.

A Tesla spokeswoman said: "Tesla’s billions of miles of actual driving data shows that its vehicles have been roughly five times less likely to experience a fire than a conventional gasoline vehicle."

The video highlights the potential dangers of millions of electric cars flooding UK roads and the prospect of an uncontrollable blaze breaking out.
So, the article sort of contradicts itself.

It says that the Tesla performed just as it should, and cites a source (at Tesla) claiming that Teslas experience fires roughly five times less often than petrol cars, then says the video highlights potential dangers of millions of electric cars.

Let me get this straight. Lithium Ion batteries are dangerous. As are Petrol and Diesel. In all three cases, the danger can be mitigated by the installation of safety mechanisms and measures. Never entirely removed, but reduced and mitigated.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35920749)
Proper wireless charging exists as well although it's currently really inefficient but before too long we could see it at car parks and such.
While they have retired the original stations, it looks like Tesla are still working on fast battery swapping technology, so it's entirely possible that filling stations will adapt, and add battery swap stations. In future, these swap stations may be able to swap a battery pack in a few minutes, in which case, it will be as convenient as filling up at the pump.

Stuart 25-10-2017 18:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35920691)
We had a Tesla owner stay with us last year. Loved having it on the driveway even if it was only for one night. :D

Someone local must own one as well, because I’ve seen one on the roads near here a couple of times lately.

They are very, very lovely machines, and capable of replacing a petro-fuelled car for just about anyone short of a hard working sales rep.

Pity I’ll never have the means to own one though!
We have a Tesla owner up the street. It is an awesome car, although it is scary as a pedestrian because when you are crossing the road, you cannot hear it (I know I will still see it, but I never realized how much I relied on my ears). I think the owner owns a company where he does a *lot* of motorway travel, and apparently the Tesla does work out cheaper, although you have to factor in the charge time. He has installed a Tesla home charging station on his drive, which means if he leaves the car plugged in over night, it will be fully charged the next morning.

Damien 25-10-2017 18:32
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35921818)
We have a Tesla owner up the street. It is an awesome car, although it is scary as a pedestrian because when you are crossing the road, you cannot hear it (I know I will still see it, but I never realized how much I relied on my ears). I think the owner owns a company where he does a *lot* of motorway travel, and apparently the Tesla does work out cheaper, although you have to factor in the charge time. He has installed a Tesla home charging station on his drive, which means if he leaves the car plugged in over night, it will be fully charged the next morning.
They should force them to play the Jaws theme if they're going under 10mph


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