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nomadking 09-12-2009 20:37
Re: Christians arrested for defending their beliefs
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34924114)
You asked where she claimed it, not if it was true. It was also the accused who claim she was the one who asked the question. The truth is we don't know who said what just that the claimant and no evidence of anything.
Did she say that he actually said it directly or is it that she imagined that he made out that it was what he thought.:rolleyes: The statement by the accused(who won the case) fits the latter.

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Mrs Tazi's claim that she was verbally attacked for up to an hour had not been backed up by the other witnesses.

Damien 09-12-2009 20:38
Re: Christians arrested for defending their beliefs
 
Which shows that we don't know who said what.

Osem 09-12-2009 21:59
Re: Christians arrested for defending their beliefs
 
I think there are far more important things to worry about and spend taxpayers money on to be frank.

zing_deleted 09-12-2009 22:01
Re: Christians arrested for defending their beliefs
 
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34924086)
But it wasn't Anti-Christian was it? They were accused of religiously aggravated threatening behaviour. The fact that they are Christian is neither here nor there. Unless you'd like to claim that threatening other people is part of religious liberties.

the counter claim was the muslim woman denouced the bible and said stuff about Jesus I believe

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34924074)
I don't think calling Jesus a minor prophet is the same as calling someone a terrorist because they are a Muslim. That is their religious belief, whereas Muslim bashing is not a Christian belief. (not that they did that, it would now seem).
exactly they didnt do it but maybe the muslim woman was the one causing trouble?

danielf 09-12-2009 22:03
Re: Christians arrested for defending their beliefs
 
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Originally Posted by zing (Post 34924155)
the counter claim was the muslim woman denouced the bible and said stuff about Jesus I believe
Ah. Fair enough. I thought you meant to say that the case itself was anti-christian.

Damien 09-12-2009 22:18
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Originally Posted by zing (Post 34924155)
exactly they didnt do it but maybe the muslim woman was the one causing trouble?
We don't know. I don't see why people are suddenly taking their claims as true. This case did not find her gulity of religious inflammation but the defendents not gulity.

By the way, I was saying that I would not consider calling Jesus a Minor Prophet as an attack. That genuinely is a belief Muslims hold. It is not a personal attack on a Christian. The equivalent would be for a Christian to tell a Muslim that Jesus was the Son of God, it is a Christian belief.

Gary L 09-12-2009 23:17
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It all boils down to that invisible friend in the sky :)

zing_deleted 10-12-2009 01:56
Re: Christians arrested for defending their beliefs
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34924166)
We don't know. I don't see why people are suddenly taking their claims as true. This case did not find her gulity of religious inflammation but the defendents not gulity.

By the way, I was saying that I would not consider calling Jesus a Minor Prophet as an attack. That genuinely is a belief Muslims hold. It is not a personal attack on a Christian. The equivalent would be for a Christian to tell a Muslim that Jesus was the Son of God, it is a Christian belief.
I only said maybe afterall there is plenty of conjecture in this thread so what if I add a little extra lol

As for the Jesus bit it does show that there was some kind of religious based conversation going on.Now me as a christian sees my views mocked regularly. You only have to look in this forum to see that quite often. I will discuss my views and will pull up those who I feel insulting but thats all I do. Trust me ive faced prejudice and have been threatened with violence because of my faith. Just look at views posted about Jehovahs Witnesses and you will see my point.

Chris 10-12-2009 09:55
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34924166)
By the way, I was saying that I would not consider calling Jesus a Minor Prophet as an attack. That genuinely is a belief Muslims hold. It is not a personal attack on a Christian. The equivalent would be for a Christian to tell a Muslim that Jesus was the Son of God, it is a Christian belief.
Not quite - a more direct equivalent would be for a Christian to tell a Muslim that Mohammed was a tribal warlord who never had any revelations from God. ;)

zing_deleted 10-12-2009 12:17
Re: Christians arrested for defending their beliefs
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34924287)
Not quite - a more direct equivalent would be for a Christian to tell a Muslim that Mohammed was a tribal warlord who never had any revelations from God. ;)
:tu:

there definitely is a double standard as you have proven here. It appears to be ok to mock Christianity I know ive had it implied to me that I am of a lesser intelligence because of my faith but if a poor Muslim has his faith denounced then its not acceptable

Damien 10-12-2009 12:24
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Jesus being a minor prophet is a aspect of Islam is it not, it is not mockery of Christianity. It is simply a belief. I do not believe in God and therefore do not believe Jesus was the son of god and did not perform miracles. This is not me mocking Christianity either.

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Originally Posted by zing (Post 34924334)
:tu:

there definitely is a double standard as you have proven here. It appears to be ok to mock Christianity I know ive had it implied to me that I am of a lesser intelligence because of my faith but if a poor Muslim has his faith denounced then its not acceptable
It is not acceptable to mock or insult anyone. I find it hard to accept this kind of protest on this forum because while Christians do get their faith mocked Muslims get it even more. There seems to be a constant stream of anti-Muslim posts on this forum.

TheDaddy 10-12-2009 12:36
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34924337)
There seems to be a constant stream of anti-Muslim posts on this forum.
None of which actually mock their faith, extremists within their faith and cultural aspects yes but actual belief in God no, Zingle is right imo the only religion where people can get away with saying it's all fairy tales and make believe is Christianity.

danielf 10-12-2009 12:49
Re: Christians arrested for defending their beliefs
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34924343)
None of which actually mock their faith, extremists within their faith and cultural aspects yes but actual belief in God no, Zingle is right imo the only religion where people can get away with saying it's all fairy tales and make believe is Christianity.
Generally speaking, Christianity is also the only religion that most people have been subjected to (e.g. at school). I dare say that people mocking Christianity is a direct result of people trying to get them into that religion.

Damien 10-12-2009 12:56
Re: Christians arrested for defending their beliefs
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34924343)
None of which actually mock their faith, extremists within their faith and cultural aspects yes but actual belief in God no, Zingle is right imo the only religion where people can get away with saying it's all fairy tales and make believe is Christianity.
Calling them all terrorists or otherwise being suspect of all of them as a whole is a common theme. We don't call all Catholics pedos because of the actions of a very small minority of their priests because we correctly understand the difference between a small subset of people who happen to be catholic and the Catholic community as a whole. Yet it when it comes to Muslims that understanding doesn't seem to be present. Any Muslim story on this forum will bring the people who enjoy sticking to boot into Muslims from whichever cave they inhabit.

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34924350)
Generally speaking, Christianity is also the only religion that most people have been subjected to (e.g. at school). I dare say that people mocking Christianity is a direct result of people trying to get them into that religion.
Maybe it's because the of ignorance of Islam. I would still bet most people think Allah is 'the Muslim God' whereas people have a better understand of some basics of the Christian faith in the UK

danielf 10-12-2009 13:06
Re: Christians arrested for defending their beliefs
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34924353)

Maybe it's because the of ignorance of Islam. I would still bet most people think Allah is 'the Muslim God' whereas people have a better understand of some basics of the Christian faith in the UK
Possibly, but the main thing is that for many this understanding has been forced upon them. Against their will. I've never been forced to take part in any Muslim religious activities. I wish I could say the same thing about Christianity.


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