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1andrew1 04-07-2022 16:05
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36126962)
Offering to resign because you got caught lying[assuming he gets a fpn] is neutralising what exactly.
Not sure even if he was fined you could prove it was lying.

The issue of receiving a fine for a law you endorsed is hypocrisy. If Starmer gets fined then the issue goes away with him. And people are then entitled to ask, if Starmer did the decent thing, why not Johnson?

Damien 04-07-2022 16:17
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Wes Streeting and Andy Burnham clearly think he is going to be fined because they're clearly jockeying for a leadership contest. Although by what mechanism Burnham thinks he'll get the job when he isn't a sitting MP is lost on me.

Hugh 04-07-2022 16:27
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36126952)
If you an expert in criminology, enlighten me, if not. Not interested in your wild subversions.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...cdp-2022-0116/

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Sentencing of repeat offenders

Published Monday, 20 June, 2022

When an offender is sentenced, there is a statutory requirement that the court treat any previous convictions as an aggravating factor, providing it considers that it is reasonable to do so. The court will consider the nature of the offence and its relevance to the current offence and how recently the offender was convicted of the previous offence. The presence of an aggravating factor can increase the severity of a sentence.

papa smurf 04-07-2022 16:30
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36126966)
Not sure even if he was fined you could prove it was lying.

The issue of receiving a fine for a law you endorsed is hypocrisy. If Starmer gets fined then the issue goes away with him. And people are then entitled to ask, if Starmer did the decent thing, why not Johnson?
Did that apply to Johnson.

1andrew1 04-07-2022 16:42
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36126970)
Did that apply to Johnson.
He's been sacked from two jobs for lying.

But in this instance I think the investigation begins later this month as to whether he mislead the House.

OLD BOY 04-07-2022 18:59
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36126956)
I'm sure it's worth a point or two yes, but how many points would you give for writing both a leave and remain speech to help hedge your bets with public opinion?
Except that has been explained many times, Grim, but you simply don’t want to accept the explanation.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36126958)
What is taking Durham police so long? It's one event. Even the Met police didn't take this long per party.
Yes, and in their haste they incorrectly fined Boris. He would have appealed, but that would only have served to make the whole thing drag on for longer.

Yes, his wife and that designer chap were not expected to turn up with that cake, but Boris and the others were associating with them all the time anyway. Plus, it was between meetings, not after work.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36126966)
Not sure even if he was fined you could prove it was lying.

The issue of receiving a fine for a law you endorsed is hypocrisy. If Starmer gets fined then the issue goes away with him. And people are then entitled to ask, if Starmer did the decent thing, why not Johnson?
Why should BJ be bound by Starmer’s own follies? It is not a resigning matter. You’d be better sticking to the ‘lying to the House of Commons’ wheeze if you want to argue that he should resign because that would be the convention. However, that has yet to be proved.

1andrew1 04-07-2022 19:42
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36126980)
Yes, and in their haste they incorrectly fined Boris. He would have appealed, but that would only have served to make the whole thing drag on for longer.
Is this more guesswork or do you have a source you can link to?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36126980)
Why should BJ be bound by Starmer’s own follies? It is not a resigning matter. You’d be better sticking to the ‘lying to the House of Commons’ wheeze if you want to argue that he should resign because that would be the convention. However, that has yet to be proved.
Nothing's a resigning matter for Johnson. ;)

Misleading the House has not been investigated yet, that's for later in the month.

GrimUpNorth 04-07-2022 20:03
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36126980)
Except that has been explained many times, Grim, but you simply don’t want to accept the explanation.

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Yes, and in their haste they incorrectly fined Boris. He would have appealed, but that would only have served to make the whole thing drag on for longer.

Yes, his wife and that designer chap were not expected to turn up with that cake, but Boris and the others were associating with them all the time anyway. Plus, it was between meetings, not after work.
It's been explained to you many times Old Boy that Boris is a lying slimeball, but you simply don't want to accept the explanation.

Have you considered, for even a minute, that he didn't appeal because he was caught fair and square and the appeal may well have failed, ending up making him look even more stupid than he did? If you're so sure why he chose the cowards way out by claiming he wanted to expedite the process, feel free to share the evidence to back up your statement.

And as a point of order, last time I checked, Lulu Lytle is a woman not a chap. Maybe you need to dump Nadine's speech writer as they've been getting their codes confused a few times recently!

Mick 04-07-2022 20:58
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36126969)
So you’re not an expert then, your Google search and paste is irrelevant, as that is talking about repeat offenders who have attended court, Boris not under this repeating offender category as he’s paid his fine and not had need to attend court. Not aware of any other repeat offences he’s been found guilty of either.

Mr K 04-07-2022 21:42
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36127000)
So you’re not an expert then, your Google search and paste is irrelevant, as that is talking about repeat offenders who have attended court, Boris not under this repeating offender category as he’s paid his fine and not had need to attend court. Not aware of any other repeat offences he’s been found guilty of either.
Adultery, many times. Lying, many times, Being crap at his job* ( and sacked), many times. All he's been found guilty of.

*When I say job, of course he never has had a real job, like the worthwhile and much needed job you do Mick. Just a life of entitlement and self indulgence.

1andrew1 04-07-2022 22:07
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36127001)
Adultery, many times. Lying, many times, Being crap at his job* ( and sacked), many times. All he's been found guilty of.

*When I say job, of course he never has had a real job, like the worthwhile and much needed job you do Mick. Just a life of entitlement and self indulgence.
That pattern of behaviour sadly still persists:
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On top of that, Number 10 insisted for three days that the prime minister didn't know of any allegations of misconduct against Mr Pincher before that complaint was made last week, only to admit on Monday that Mr Johnson was aware of "reports and speculation" about the behaviour of Mr Pincher, while insisting that there was no reason to block his appointment given that these were "unsubstantiated allegations".
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...still-12645917

GrimUpNorth 04-07-2022 22:12
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36127004)
That pattern of behaviour sadly still persists:

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...still-12645917
He's the Prime Minister who just keeps on giving.

Pierre 04-07-2022 22:27
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36126968)
Wes Streeting and Andy Burnham clearly think he is going to be fined because they're clearly jockeying for a leadership contest. Although by what mechanism Burnham thinks he'll get the job when he isn't a sitting MP is lost on me.
Do you have to be an MP to be the leader of a Party?

Sturgeon isn’t.

It would be weird though, if Burnham was leader but Rayner did PMQs

Damien 04-07-2022 22:41
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36127008)
Do you have to be an MP to be the leader of a Party?

Sturgeon isn’t.

It would be weird though, if Burnham was leader but Rayner did PMQs
I think it's in the Labour rule book.

It could work if Burnham leaned into the idea that he is the Labour leader based in the North. It would be spun as a sign Labour isn't London-centric. I just think it would be impractical. Can you be the leader of the opposition if you're in Parliament to oppose? How do you do both jobs of LOTO and Mayor of Manchester?

They would have to find him a safe seat pretty sharpish.

Mick 04-07-2022 22:59
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36127001)
Adultery, many times. Lying, many times, Being crap at his job* ( and sacked), many times. All he's been found guilty of.

*When I say job, of course he never has had a real job, like the worthwhile and much needed job you do Mick. Just a life of entitlement and self indulgence.
But is any of that stuff illegal, because he’s been classed as a “repeat offender”?

GrimUpNorth 04-07-2022 22:59
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36127012)
I think it's in the Labour rule book.

It could work if Burnham leaned into the idea that he is the Labour leader based in the North. It would be spun as a sign Labour isn't London-centric. I just think it would be impractical. Can you be the leader of the opposition if you're in Parliament to oppose? How do you do both jobs of LOTO and Mayor of Manchester?

They would have to find him a safe seat pretty sharpish.
Labour might fancy their chances if there's a by-election in Tamworth.

1andrew1 04-07-2022 23:00
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36127008)
Do you have to be an MP to be the leader of a Party?

Sturgeon isn’t.

It would be weird though, if Burnham was leader but Rayner did PMQs
If Starmer resigned due to an FPN, I'm sure Rayner would as well.

Dave42 04-07-2022 23:16
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36127015)
If Starmer resigned due to an FPN, I'm sure Rayner would as well.
she has said she would resign too be no way one would get fine without the other one getting one too

ianch99 04-07-2022 23:20
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
I think the important message here is that BJ is a gift that just keeps giving and will continue to keep giving. There are probably so many stories the media have up their sleeve just to pick the right time :)

I also think it would be a net positive if Starmer & Rayner both went. They would demonstrate that Labour have "integrity", a card that the Tories ripped up so long ago. Plus it allows a replacement that has some flair for opposition.

1andrew1 05-07-2022 00:20
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36127020)
I think the important message here is that BJ is a gift that just keeps giving and will continue to keep giving. There are probably so many stories the media have up their sleeve just to pick the right time :)

I also think it would be a net positive if Starmer & Rayner both went. They would demonstrate that Labour have "integrity", a card that the Tories ripped up so long ago. Plus it allows a replacement that has some flair for opposition.
So we're we're left with the thought that Labour supporters probably prefer Johnson to remain in power up to the next election and Conservative supporters prefer Starmer to remain as opposition leader. ;)

Damien 05-07-2022 08:38
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36127004)
That pattern of behaviour sadly still persists:

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...still-12645917
He just lies as a matter of instinct. Even when it's obvious the truth will come out a few days later he'll lie until then anyway.

Hugh 05-07-2022 08:55
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Looks like Johnson was ambushed by a briefing...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62047883

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No 10 did not tell the truth when it said the PM was unaware of official complaints about Chris Pincher's behaviour, an ex-civil servant in the Foreign Office has said.

Simon McDonald said Boris Johnson had been "briefed in person" about an investigation into Mr Pincher, then a Foreign Office minister.
Mind you, probably no one told him it was a briefing, it probably only lasted 9 minutes, the briefing stayed inside a box all the time he was there, and it was a work-related briefing (just getting the excuses in...)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1657008401

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36127000)
So you’re not an expert then, your Google search and paste is irrelevant, as that is talking about repeat offenders who have attended court, Boris not under this repeating offender category as he’s paid his fine and not had need to attend court. Not aware of any other repeat offences he’s been found guilty of either.
So no one on CF can comment about anything unless they are an expert in that subject?

Mr K 05-07-2022 08:57
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36127026)
He just lies as a matter of instinct. Even when it's obvious the truth will come out a few days later he'll lie until then anyway.
There's a definite similarity with Trump. Just keep lying , then lie about the lies.

1andrew1 05-07-2022 09:00
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36127026)
He just lies as a matter of instinct. Even when it's obvious the truth will come out a few days later he'll lie until then anyway.
It's just so disappointing because it really lets him down as a person and as a Prime Minister. It's a real blind spot for him.

papa smurf 05-07-2022 09:34
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36127028)
Looks like Johnson was ambushed by a briefing...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62047883



Mind you, probably no one told him it was a briefing, it probably only lasted 9 minutes, the briefing stayed inside a box all the time he was there, and it was a work-related briefing (just getting the excuses in...)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1657008401

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So no one on CF can comment about anything unless they are an expert in that subject?
He's probably just pointing out your ultracrepidarian qualifications.

Hugh 05-07-2022 10:42
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Sure, Jan…

You do know the letter refers to the current PM?

(just clarifying, as your comment appears to have no relevance to the letter whatsoever - not sure if you’re being acyrologiac, catachrestic, or just employing affectatious sesquipedalianism? ;) ).

Julian 05-07-2022 10:53
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36126958)
What is taking Durham police so long? It's one event. Even the Met police didn't take this long per party.
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Durham Police have reportedly been in discussion with Labour lawyers with a verdict expected within the coming days.
From yesterday's Metro.

It's only an FPN FFS. Why would labour lawyers be in discussions with plod?

Unless it's because someone deliberately made it something bigger.......

Hugh 05-07-2022 11:00
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36127053)
From yesterday's Metro.

It's only an FPN FFS. Why would labour lawyers be in discussions with plod?

Unless it's because someone deliberately made it something bigger.......
tbf, it’s just the Metro regurgitating the Daily Mail story, which said something slightly different.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-fined.html

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Durham Police have indicated they will publicly announce the outcome of their investigation very soon after telling Labour lawyers.
Johnson (& other Government Ministers) also involved lawyers when they were under investigation.

Damien 05-07-2022 11:40
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
It's obviously fair the targets of an investigation are told the outcome before the public.

1andrew1 05-07-2022 11:52
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
This statement from The Daily Mail is typical tabloid sensationalism :D
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Sir Keir Starmer could have as little as two hours to prepare a resignation speech if he is fined over Beergate, it has been revealed.
He's had several weeks to prepare it!

papa smurf 05-07-2022 11:55
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36127061)
This statement from The Daily Mail is typical tabloid sensationalism :D


He's had several weeks to prepare it!
But has he licked the glue on the envelope yet.

1andrew1 05-07-2022 11:58
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36127062)
But has he licked the glue on the envelope yet.
Nope. Like Johnson with his Brexit column, I'm sure he has written two responses. He just needs to ensure he puts the right one in the envelope!

papa smurf 05-07-2022 12:01
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36127063)
Nope. Like Johnson with his Brexit column, I'm sure he has written two responses. He just needs to ensure he puts the right one in the envelope!
I bet they're both boring :)

1andrew1 05-07-2022 12:21
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36127064)
I bet they're both boring :)
One is probably less boring than the other. ;)

TheDaddy 05-07-2022 12:25
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36127028)
Looks like Johnson was ambushed by a briefing...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62047883



Mind you, probably no one told him it was a briefing, it probably only lasted 9 minutes, the briefing stayed inside a box all the time he was there, and it was a work-related briefing (just getting the excuses in...)
No one told him.it was a briefing and he's now furious about it and get over it there's a war on

1andrew1 05-07-2022 12:27
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Grieve urges cabinet to act

The former Conservative MP and attorney general Dominic Grieve - a long-standing critic of Boris Johnson - says that cabinet ministers "need to grasp this particular nettle".

"This is yet another example of the prime minister being completely untrustworthy and directly contradicted by a former senior civil servant," he tells BBC News, adding that No 10 appears to have sent out ministers to "mislead the public on his behalf".

"If I were in the position of the deputy prime minister I would go and see the prime minister today at lunchtime and I would say, I’m very sorry, but you’ve got to resign, and I have to tell you that if you're not resigning I am resigning from your government immediately."

Describing Boris Johnson as "manifestly unfit to hold office," he says the Conservative Party is being damaged and may never recover.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-62048657

Damien 05-07-2022 12:41
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36127064)
I bet they're both boring :)
If he's cleared and he doesn't hold a press conference drinking a few cans then what was the point of all this?

papa smurf 05-07-2022 13:06
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36127069)
If he's cleared and he doesn't hold a press conference drinking a few cans then what was the point of all this?
If he escapes justice it will have all been a farce.

1andrew1 05-07-2022 13:11
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36127072)
If he escapes justice it will have all been a farce.
He won't have escaped justice as his case has been investigated by Durham Police.

Justice often means clearing the innocent too.

And given the time it's taken, you would hope it will have been investigated pretty thoroughly!

Damien 05-07-2022 13:24
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
The line is now that Boris Johnson was told about the allegations against Pincher but 'forgot' about them: https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/05/boris...metrouktwitter

mrmistoffelees 05-07-2022 13:28
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36127076)
The line is now that Boris Johnson was told about the allegations against Pincher but 'forgot' about them: https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/05/boris...metrouktwitter

The supposed reasons coming out are nothing short of an embarassment noe we get told by Ellis that the PM has a "myriad array of urgent pressing responsibilities" and may be told "literally hundreds of things in one day"

If those pressing responsibilities are => this issue, then there's something seriously, seriously wrong with our government

papa smurf 05-07-2022 13:30
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36127073)
He won't have escaped justice as his case has been investigated by Durham Police.

Justice often means clearing the innocent too.

And given the time it's taken, you would hope it will have been investigated pretty thoroughly!
I've seen the party pics and we now know he could get food at his hotel, I can also see Angie in the picture sat near him, he didn't even mention her, therefore his whole story looks like a fabrication to me, I'm no legal expert but he looks and smells guilty to me.

1andrew1 05-07-2022 14:06
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36127078)
I've seen the party pics and we now know he could get food at his hotel, I can also see Angie in the picture sat near him, he didn't even mention her, therefore his whole story looks like a fabrication to me, I'm no legal expert but he looks and smells guilty to me.
She's a Labour party worker so it's fine for her to be there. The hotel stopped serving food at 9pm and not when they needed it.
As you say, you're no legal expert and neither am I. But based upon how Johnson's works parties were cleared, as long as everyone there was working for Labour, it was likely ok.

Mick 05-07-2022 14:47
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BREAKING: It is being reported by Telegraph that Durham Police are meeting up this afternoon with CPS to discuss whether Keir Starmer should be fined regarding Beergate allegations.

Sephiroth 05-07-2022 14:51
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 

What's it got to do with CPS at this stage?

mrmistoffelees 05-07-2022 15:13
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36127084)

What's it got to do with CPS at this stage?
Absolutely nothing whatsoever

FPNs go nowhere near the CPS possibly unless there's a contention at court/ non payment , but the CPS aren't involved in the decision to issue.

Damien 05-07-2022 15:15
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Yeah, that's very odd. Did someone commit perjury (lying on the form itself would be perjury but I would be surprised if Labour's lawyers who had input would allow that to happen)? Are they going to issue a fine and want to make sure it's airtight?

I don't believe there were ever reports of the Met going to the CPS before their decisions. No way do the CPS have input on FPNs normally.

They must be gearing up for the fine though. No way do they meet the CPS ahead of saying no laws were broken.

papa smurf 05-07-2022 15:16
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36127084)

What's it got to do with CPS at this stage?
Prosecution :shocked:

Damien 05-07-2022 15:18
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Never mind. It's normal in complex cases it seems and they did do it for Partygate: https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/stat...20846780669953

mrmistoffelees 05-07-2022 15:22
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36127090)
Never mind. It's normal in complex cases it seems and they did do it for Partygate: https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/stat...20846780669953
well, I was today years old when i learned that !

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this presents a very interesting situation.....

IF Starmer & Rayner were to be issued and subsequently resign, does this give the Tory rebels more ammunition to attack Boris with, and possibly get him out?

Sephiroth 05-07-2022 15:48
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36127091)
well, I was today years old when i learned that !

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this presents a very interesting situation.....

IF Starmer & Rayner were to be issued and subsequently resign, does this give the Tory rebels more ammunition to attack Boris with, and possibly get him out?
Icing on the cake!

1andrew1 05-07-2022 16:01
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36127094)
Icing on the cake!
Turns out there was no meeting with the CPS afterall.
Quote:
Update on today's beergate meeting: Durham Police say there was an internal meeting today to discuss the investigation and the next steps but the CPS was NOT involved. As others have pointed out that would be interesting as FPNs are issued by police - have deleted earlier tweet.
https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/statu...28279930376195

Damien 05-07-2022 16:02
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Telegraph have retracted it: https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/statu...28279930376195

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Update on today's beergate meeting: Durham Police say there was an internal meeting today to discuss the investigation and the next steps but the CPS was NOT involved. As others have pointed out that would be interesting as FPNs are issued by police - have deleted earlier tweet.

papa smurf 05-07-2022 16:07
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
The cover up has begun.

Dave42 05-07-2022 16:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36127099)
The cover up has begun.
could be someone is leaking false information too truth will out in end

1andrew1 05-07-2022 16:14
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36127101)
could be someone is leaking false information too truth will out in end
It's just Operation Save Big Dog. Spread some Starmer rumours again on social media to disguise Johnson's latest blunder.

Current blunder is he forgot he was briefed about Pincher.

Dave42 05-07-2022 16:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36127103)
It's just Operation Save Big Dog. Spread some Starmer rumours again on social media to disguise Johnson's latest blunder.

Current blunder is he forgot he was briefed about Pincher.
yes think your totally right Andrew

1andrew1 05-07-2022 16:41
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
This was an interesting read.
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The intervention by Lord McDonald this morning was quietly devastating.

Westminster is full of people who love shouting their mouth off.

Lord McDonald is not one of them.

A former senior civil servant not naturally attracted to microphones and cameras.

A man who in his interview on the Today Programme on Radio 4 had the demeanour and hesitancy of someone reticent to be talking publicly.

But a man who felt he had no other options, because, as he put it, No10 "are still not telling the truth".

And then, his most stinging line of all - accusing Downing Street of "telling the truth and crossing your fingers at the same time".

Day by day this means ministers are being sent out with lines to take that disintegrate within hours of them being said out loud - not only humiliating for the ministers concerned but toxic for trust in the leadership of the party, and the country.

And bubbling away underneath, increasing exasperation, from the cabinet down, within the Conservative Party, of the ongoing inability of Number 10 to actually focus on the business of government, rather than constantly firefighting crises about the prime minister's capacity to tell the truth.

Senior ministers who until very recently, the last 10 days, had assumed Boris Johnson would lead them into the next general election now aren't so sure.

And even those still supportive are worn down by what they see as the persistent own goals from Downing Street, which they regard as hard, even impossible to defend.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62049696

Julian 05-07-2022 16:46
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36127103)
It's just Operation Save Big Dog. Spread some Starmer rumours again on social media to disguise Johnson's latest blunder.

Current blunder is he forgot he was briefed about Pincher.
Is that like Wan forgetting the ginger slapper was at the curry party? ;)

1andrew1 05-07-2022 17:08
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36127109)
Is that like Wan forgetting the ginger slapper was at the curry party? ;)
This is one of many Johnson takes on the story including:
- not aware of any allegations
- not aware of any specific allegations
- forgotten he was briefed on specific allegation

A bit different from someone not putting someone's name on a list, although the latter is obviously stupid.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36127105)
yes think your totally right Andrew
Wish I wasn't. It's just really embarrassing for the UK to have this person as our PM. It's gone past the humour stage.

Johnson's solution will doubtless be a call with Zelensky or another trip to Ukraine.

papa smurf 05-07-2022 17:13
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36127109)
Is that like Wan forgetting the ginger slapper was at the curry party? ;)
The invisible woman, the deputy leader of the party and he forgets she was there.:nono:

OLD BOY 05-07-2022 17:26
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36127080)
She's a Labour party worker so it's fine for her to be there. The hotel stopped serving food at 9pm and not when they needed it.
As you say, you're no legal expert and neither am I. But based upon how Johnson's works parties were cleared, as long as everyone there was working for Labour, it was likely ok.
It was after work, wasn’t it?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36127094)
Icing on the cake!
There was no cake, Seph.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36127110)
This is one of many Johnson takes on the story including:
- not aware of any allegations
- not aware of any specific allegations
- forgotten he was briefed on specific allegation

A bit different from someone not putting someone's name on a list, although the latter is obviously stupid..
Although you could argue in both cases that the fact slipped their mind.

TheDaddy 05-07-2022 18:08
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Saj Javid has resigned...

mrmistoffelees 05-07-2022 18:10
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36127116)
Saj Javid has resigned...
Beginning of the end ?

TimeLord2018 05-07-2022 18:12
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Rishi Sunak has resigned aswell

heero_yuy 05-07-2022 18:14
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Looks like they've gone for the nuclear option.

Damien 05-07-2022 18:17
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
It's over for Johnson now, one lie too many

mrmistoffelees 05-07-2022 18:17
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Odds of him being gone tonight ?

jfman 05-07-2022 18:24
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
The fat lady is singing.

ianch99 05-07-2022 18:26
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Popcorn is in ... waiting for OB's posts :)

1701-e 05-07-2022 18:28
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36127123)
The fat lady is singing.
She's been singing for ages

Dave42 05-07-2022 18:29
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
beging of end for Johnson with cabinet members resigning now

jfman 05-07-2022 18:29
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36127126)
She's been singing for ages
Well I’d have thought that was warming up ;)

Hugh 05-07-2022 18:32
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36127126)
She's been singing for ages
I think you’ll find it was "work-related" singing…

Julian 05-07-2022 18:34
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Excellent news. :)

Hopefully we can get a great reset.

A PM and cabinet without baggage and an opposition leader with a spine that isn't a fence sitter. ;)

Mr K 05-07-2022 18:37
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36127131)
Excellent news. :)

Hopefully we can get a great reset.

A PM and cabinet without baggage and an opposition leader with a spine that isn't a fence sitter. ;)
Yes it's all set for Nadine as PM now. A cabinet of no talent whatsoever....

Damien 05-07-2022 18:54
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Imagine if Durham announce a fine now!

Hugh 05-07-2022 18:55
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36127131)
Excellent news. :)

Hopefully we can get a great reset.

A PM and cabinet without baggage and an opposition leader with a spine that isn't a fence sitter. ;)
Agreed

peanut 05-07-2022 18:55
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
It's about time some accepts enough is enough. Bozo's toast. But saying that he has no shame so he'll stay at the expense of his party. What a farce it all is.

Hugh 05-07-2022 18:55
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36127132)
Yes it's all set for Nadine as PM now. A cabinet of no talent whatsoever....
Fabricant for PM, Nads for Chancellor

Damien 05-07-2022 19:06
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Gove is staying! Might Johnson stagger on?

mrmistoffelees 05-07-2022 19:06
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36127140)
Gove is staying! Might Johnson stagger on?
Patel, Wallace amongst others also committed to staying

papa smurf 05-07-2022 19:12
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36127123)
The fat lady is singing.
Thornberry?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TimeLord2018 (Post 36127119)
Rishi Sunak has resigned aswell
Good, might get someone with some talent in the job now.

jfman 05-07-2022 19:16
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Britain's worst negotiator Frosty the Snowman has called on Johnson to go.

GrimUpNorth 05-07-2022 19:20
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36127137)
Fabricant for PM, Nads for Chancellor
Well his wig, it's obvious the they put hair style before talent.

ianch99 05-07-2022 19:20
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36127144)
Britain's worst negotiator Frosty the Snowman has called on Johnson to go.
Maybe he'll negotiate his Exit Agreement ;)

GrimUpNorth 05-07-2022 19:28
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Old Boy or should I say Nads has tweeted

https://mobile.twitter.com/NadineDor...C-qYzm4O4qAAAA

mrmistoffelees 05-07-2022 19:29
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Rees-Mogg on sky news now….

joglynne 05-07-2022 19:32
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Rishi Sunak and Sajid Javid: the resignation letters that left Boris Johnson reeling

https://www.ft.com/content/9392e001-...4-935250d94e2c

TheDaddy 05-07-2022 19:33
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36127147)
Maybe he'll negotiate his Exit Agreement ;)
Lets hope not or else we'll never be shot of him

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36127148)
Old Boy or should I say Nads has tweeted

https://mobile.twitter.com/NadineDor...C-qYzm4O4qAAAA
If Mr Angry was still about he'd have claimed a fiver by now on them two being one and the same

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Quote:
Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36127150)
Rishi Sunak and Sajid Javid: the resignation letters that left Boris Johnson reeling

https://www.ft.com/content/9392e001-...4-935250d94e2c
Was stinging

GrimUpNorth 05-07-2022 19:33
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36127149)
Rees-Mogg on sky news now….
And defending him. The mind boggles.

mrmistoffelees 05-07-2022 19:38
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36127153)
And defending him. The mind boggles.
A performance of such delusion I suspect he had lessons from this site 😉🤣

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He’s just claimed that people should stick to the rules that were set

Well, apart from covid regulations & agreements with other countries….

Mick 05-07-2022 20:47
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
BREAKING: Rumours abound that Nadhim Zahawi expected to be appointed Chancellor.

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BREAKING: Steve Barclay is the new Health Secretary

Hugh 05-07-2022 20:54
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36127148)
Old Boy or should I say Nads has tweeted

https://mobile.twitter.com/NadineDor...C-qYzm4O4qAAAA
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1657050781

She looks at Johnson the way I look at a 14oz ribeye steak with peppercorn sauce and chips, washed down by a full-bodied Shiraz or Zinfandel…

Hugh 05-07-2022 21:01
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
1 Attachment(s)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1657051351

From Matt, the Telegraph cartoonist.

mrmistoffelees 05-07-2022 21:04
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36127159)
BREAKING: Rumours abound that Nadhim Zahawi expected to be appointed Chancellor.

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BREAKING: Steve Barclay is the new Health Secretary
Nadhim Zahawi is one of a few that hasn’t publicly supported Boris?

jfman 05-07-2022 21:33
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36127164)
Nadhim Zahawi is one of a few that hasn’t publicly supported Boris?
BJ wants Truss apparently. Zahawi threatening to resign unless he gets the job.

Mick 05-07-2022 21:44
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
NEW: One minister who saw @BorisJohnson after the resignations of @RishiSunak and @sajidjavid tells me: Boris does not look like a PM about to relinquish the seals of office. He is bullish - Nicholas Watt, Political Editor BBC Newsnight.

Johnson will be one of those who won’t leave until he’s dragged kicking and screaming.

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BREAKING: Zahawi confirmed as NEW Chancellor.

Dave42 05-07-2022 22:40
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Beth Rigby saying the idea Johnson can survive is fading fast

https://twitter.com/i/status/1544431727111815170

Julian 05-07-2022 22:48
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36127171)
Beth Rigby saying the idea Johnson can survive is fading fast

https://twitter.com/i/status/1544431727111815170
How strange that you are happy to entertain what that covid rule breaker says yet Johnson doing the same upsets you……


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