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Hugh 05-05-2020 20:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Ooops!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...igns-breaking/
Quote:
The scientist whose advice prompted Boris Johnson to lock down Britain resigned from his Government advisory position on Tuesday night as The Telegraph can reveal he broke social distancing rules to meet his married lover.

Professor Neil Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing in order to reduce the spread of coronavirus. The woman lives with her husband and their children in another house.

pip08456 05-05-2020 20:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36034012)
So she was a "bit on the side"?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 36034008)
Not fact until reviewed. Not saying it is not possible.

Hugh 05-05-2020 21:59
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36034021)
So she was a "bit on the side"?
Or he was? Perhaps he was giving her "technology lessons"? :D

pip08456 05-05-2020 22:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36034035)
Or he was? Perhaps he was giving her "technology lessons"? :D
Brings a whole new meaning to the term.:D

denphone 06-05-2020 12:37
Re: Coronavirus
 
Heathrow Airport is to trial temperature screening technology to monitor people moving through the airport for signs of coronavirus.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ology-11983947

1andrew1 06-05-2020 12:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36034081)
Heathrow Airport is to trial temperature screening technology to monitor people moving through the airport for signs of coronavirus.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ology-11983947
Good news we're moving in the right direction, albeit in a limited way, a shame we didn't have it earlier. From January to March over 18 million people entered the UK without any health checks including coronavirus hotspot countries.

Quote:
At least 20,000 people infected with coronavirus arrived in the UK before lockdown amid lack of restrictions
Tens of thousands of people infected with coronavirus entered UK as ministers accepted scientific advice it would have 'negligible' effect
These arrivals would have infected some 50,000 more people given the World Health Organisation’s assessment of an average transmission rate at the start of March of between 2 and 2.5.
Figures provided to the home affairs committee by the Home Office show that between January 1 and the end of March 18.1 million people entered the UK without any health checks including from coronavirus hotspot countries. Of these, just 273 were quarantined.
Even by conservative estimates of prevalence, this would have meant 20,000 being infected.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...d-uk-lockdown/

Hugh 06-05-2020 13:34
Re: Coronavirus
 
From another thread (where the topic was drifting) - the conversation belongs in this thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36034010)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman View Post
Less than the 250,000 deaths you'd cause by lifting lockdown prematurely.
How many times....?

The government's policy is to slow the deaths down so the NHS will not be overwhelmed. The only way to deal with this is to let the vaccine travel its course more slowly or lockdown until a vaccine is mass produced, distributed and applied.

Clearly, it cannot be the latter or we will no longer have an economy.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s View Post
Now the Chancellor may reduce the furlough to 60%.
Well, that will discourage too much talk about extending the lockdown!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36034014)
You keep posting that, but never provide evidence to back up your assertion.

You also just posted in another thread
Quote:
The number of deaths overall, however, will probably be about the same
I provided the previous Imperial Colleage paper which showed the numbers of deaths could be reduced by tens of thousands (not delayed, reduced), but you have not shown any scientific evidence to uphold your claim. Here is a later IC paper (30th March)
Quote:
Table 2 shows total forecasted deaths since the beginning of the epidemic up to and including 31
March under our fitted model and under the counterfactual model, which predicts what would have happened if no interventions were implemented (and Rt = R0 i.e. the initial reproduction number estimated before interventions). Again, the assumption in these predictions is that intervention impact is the same across countries and time. The model without interventions was unable to capture recent trends in deaths in several countries, where the rate of increase had clearly slowed (Figure 3).
Trends were confirmed statistically by Bayesian leave-one-out cross-validation and the widely applicable information criterion assessments – WAIC).

By comparing the deaths predicted under the model with no interventions to the deaths predicted in our intervention model, we calculated the total deaths averted up to the end of March. We find that, across 11 countries, since the beginning of the epidemic, 59,000 [21,000-120,000] deaths have been averted due to interventions. In Italy and Spain, where the epidemic is advanced, 38,000 [13,000-84,000] and 16,000 [5,400-35,000] deaths have been averted, respectively. Even in the UK, which is much earlier in its epidemic, we predict 370 [73-1,000] deaths have been averted.

These numbers give only the deaths averted that would have occurred up to 31 March. If we were to include the deaths of currently infected individuals in both models, which might happen after 31 March, then the deaths averted would be substantially higher
Averted, not delayed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36034071)
Just watch what happens when restrictions are lifted.
So, you don't have any scientific evidence/forecasts to back your assertion - thanks for confirming that.

1andrew1 06-05-2020 18:59
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36034088)
So, you don't have any scientific evidence/forecasts to back your assertion - thanks for confirming that.
Agreed. It's irresponsible to post such misinformation on a public forum on such an important matter.

Hugh 06-05-2020 19:11
Re: Coronavirus
 
People are entitled to put their opinions, so I have to disagree with you on that point.

Others, however, are entitled to challenge those opinions...

OLD BOY 06-05-2020 19:33
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36034088)
From another thread (where the topic was drifting) - the conversation belongs in this thread.

So, you don't have any scientific evidence/forecasts to back your assertion - thanks for confirming that.
I think, Hugh, that there have been plenty of posts querying scientific evidence, forecasts and scientific advice.

It's always good to stand back a bit and see if it makes sense before just quoting something like that and expecting everyone to believe it.

I could have been eating butter all these years instead of that foul smelling Flora had it not been for 'scientific advice'.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36034120)
People are entitled to put their opinions, so I have to disagree with you on that point.

Others, however, are entitled to challenge those opinions...
I wouldn't argue with that.

Hugh 06-05-2020 21:19
Re: Coronavirus
 
But you haven’t quoted anything - just repeatedly stated

Quote:
The number of deaths overall, however, will probably be about the same
without any attempt to back up the assertion.

You must be basing this on something, but we have no idea what...:confused:

Five weeks ago you weren’t reticent about quoting things
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36029482)
I don't buy that, spiderplant. I appreciate that we are still learning about this virus, but did you see that the results of a recent epidemiological model developed by researchers at Oxford University suggested that half the population of the UK may already have been infected by the coronavirus? That being the case, we are fast approaching herd immunity and we may well reach the peak infection rate very soon.

When all is said and done, my guess is that the most significant factor about Covid 19 will be acknowledged to be the very fast infection rate, not the mortality rate (which is still a lot less than we can expect in a year with 'normal' flu). It is the high number of deaths within so few weeks that is causing exceptional demand on health services around the world that is significant.
Public Health England have said flu causes around 17,000 deaths in the U.K. - we’ve already over 30,000 from COVID-19.

Mr K 06-05-2020 21:53
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36034081)
Heathrow Airport is to trial temperature screening technology to monitor people moving through the airport for signs of coronavirus.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ology-11983947
They were doing that in Italy in February. I was scanned in Rome, We're slow but we catch up eventually.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36033746)
Interesting how the 100k tests was only achieved on one day,. To meet a political need and save some incompetent health minister's skin maybe?

They now appear to be ramping them down again as it's down to 75k . Germany have carried out more than 4 times as many tests, hence why they're in top of the situation and we aren't.
. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...76496-21967333
We still haven't met the 100k target since Prattcocks showpiece day. The guy is full of it I'm afraid.

1andrew1 06-05-2020 21:56
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36034120)
People are entitled to put their opinions, so I have to disagree with you on that point.

Others, however, are entitled to challenge those opinions...
I absolutely agree that people are entitled to their opinions. But strong assertions against credible science should be backed up. Otherwise, we are in danger of going backwards.

ianch99 06-05-2020 22:30
Re: Coronavirus
 
Cummings's bot farm is really pumping out the propaganda. I mean who is stupid enough to believe this sort of rubbish?

https://twitter.com/Ian_Fraser/statu...84202117578754

Quote:
Eight Twitter accounts, over 6 days, with an average follower count of 28. Why did they all tweet exactly the same thing?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXBIhYlW...pg&name=medium

spiderplant 06-05-2020 22:49
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36034138)
Cummings's bot farm is really pumping out the propaganda.
https://fullfact.org/online/journalism-mood-bots/

Perhaps Pierre is a bot too?
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=2370

Paul 06-05-2020 23:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36034129)
Public Health England have said flu causes around 17,000 deaths in the U.K. - we’ve already over 30,000 from COVID-19.
Well .... they are not "from" CV19.
We count anyone who tested positive, regardless of the actual cause of death.

1andrew1 07-05-2020 07:07
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36032353)
It’s not difficult Hugh.

The may have “placed an order” but nothing has arrived and there doesn’t seem to be a hard delivery date.

U.K. has physically gone to Turkey put the items in the trolley and gone home with them.
Sadly, it seems it was more difficult than we had imagined. The PPE we eventually collected from Turkey was sub-standard so can't be used.

Quote:
Coronavirus PPE: Gowns ordered from Turkey fail to meet safety standards
Some 400,000 surgical gowns ordered from Turkey have not been given to NHS workers because they do not meet British safety standards, the government has confirmed.
The shipment of personal protective equipment was flown to the UK by the RAF last month, but is now stuck in a government warehouse.
It is not clear if the government will seek a refund from the suppliers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52569364

denphone 07-05-2020 08:02
Re: Coronavirus
 
The Bank of England outlines the scale of the Covid-19 shock to the economy.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...nd-coronavirus

Quote:
The Bank of England has warned the British economy could shrink by 25% this spring and unemployment more than double as the coronavirus pandemic brings the country to an effective standstill.
Quote:
Although it warned that Britain faced extreme levels of uncertainty over the growth outlook as the country prepares to exit lockdown measures, the Bank said one “plausible illustrative economic scenario” was for a 25% plunge in GDP in the second quarter with unemployment more than doubling to around 9%.

OLD BOY 07-05-2020 08:26
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36034118)
Agreed. It's irresponsible to post such misinformation on a public forum on such an important matter.
Perhapsyou would like to revise your thinking. I remember distinctly that at the early government briefings, we were told that the idea was to reduce the peak into a plateau, and that there could be multiple smaller peaks or plateaux thereafter.

I have said before that this virus is highly infectious, and you can see how fast it spread from just one person bringing it into the UK. Right now, we have a lot of people infected, so you need to ask yourself why the infection will not gather pace again once restrictions are eased or lifted.

We cannot have a lockdown in place forever. That is why the virus will pep up again, either pretty quickly, or maybe when we are out of the summer months.

As you want a link, well here's one. It wasn't hard to find,

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...umn-ministers/

Government advisers have warned ministers that a tighter lockdown will lead to a second outbreak of coronavirus later this year.

Putting in place "very stringent" measures of the sort seen in Hong Kong and China could just delay the peak until after the restrictions were lifted, potentially into the autumn, official modelling found.

It comes amid repeated warnings from ministers that the Government will tighten social distancing measures, including a ban on exercising outdoors, if it is shown that people are not complying with the rules.

Senior police officers have warned that any further restrictions would be difficult to enforce.

The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) report on the "potential impact of behavioural and social intervention" casts doubt on whether a tighter lockdown would be effective. It shows that the largest number of deaths would occur if there was no intervention, which in the UK was estimated at around 500,000.

If some measures were implemented to "moderately reduce transmission", which could include people changing their behaviour without intervention, then the deaths would have reduced slightly and the peak delayed, the summary, presented to the Government last month, concluded.

However, a similarly high peak would be seen later in the year if "very stringent behavioural and social interventions" were put into effect, the scientists predicted.

Whilst flattening the cases in the short term, "when lifted, a large epidemic would likely follow". Depending how long they were in place, this could peak in the autumn, ministers were told.

The current strategy of "behavioural and social interventions which further reduce transmission" were most likely to flatten the curve with a much lower peak in the early summer.

Imposing restrictions such as those in Wuhan, which saw people confined to their homes, and then rapidly lifting them "may result in a subsequent second larger peak", the experts said.

denphone 07-05-2020 09:40
Re: Coronavirus
 
Apparently the NHS are considering a u-turn on its contact-tracing app with a possible switch to the Apple and Google models.

(Behind Paywalls)

https://www.ft.com/content/d44beb06-...0-f806ce06576c

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-apple-google/

Pierre 07-05-2020 09:42
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36034140)
I've been found out!

Russ 07-05-2020 09:47
Re: Coronavirus
 
So, late and unusable PPE bought from Turkey...I wonder how Boris will try and spin that in to being a “success”.

1andrew1 07-05-2020 09:54
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36034162)
So, late and unusable PPE bought from Turkey...I wonder how Boris will try and spin that in to being a “success”.
I'm sure he will be asked that question followed by a supplementary one about the costs incurred to date and chances of a refund.
But the Government should be given due credit for trying.

mrmistoffelees 07-05-2020 09:56
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36034160)
Apparently the NHS are considering a u-turn on its contact-tracing app with a possible switch to the Apple and Google models.

(Behind Paywalls)

https://www.ft.com/content/d44beb06-...0-f806ce06576c

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-apple-google/

They're working with a company in Switzerland I believe. (can't access those paywall sites but i saw something reading Apple news at 4am ish this morning) There's an issue with the app running in the background (which any half decent iOS dev would of known about in the first place)

denphone 07-05-2020 10:20
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36034165)
They're working with a company in Switzerland I believe. (can't access those paywall sites but i saw something reading Apple news at 4am ish this morning) There's an issue with the app running in the background (which any half decent iOS dev would of known about in the first place)
Were they not told this in the first place but still decided to go ahead with their own contact tracing app.

mrmistoffelees 07-05-2020 10:43
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36034166)
Were they not told this in the first place but still decided to go ahead with their own contact tracing app.
Yup

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/0...ronavirus_app/

Russ 07-05-2020 10:54
Re: Coronavirus
 
For the ever-optimistic Tories... :D

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...mpression=true

Taf 07-05-2020 10:56
Re: Coronavirus
 
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It's going to take time...

Maggy 07-05-2020 10:59
Re: Coronavirus
 
Well my husband has finally received notification from the NHS that he needs to stay in lockdown until the 30th of June.

mrmistoffelees 07-05-2020 11:02
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36034175)
It's going to take time...

Many unanswered questions, e.g Can you travel via car/motorbike to sunbathe/have a picnic? If so, how far can you travel? As the weather gets better places like Whitby, Scarbrough, Seahouses & Bamburgh will get rammed.

denphone 07-05-2020 11:06
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36034176)
Well my husband has finally received notification from the NHS that he needs to stay in lockdown until the 30th of June.
Seeing we have been in Lockdown since the 23rd March its took over 6 weeks for your husband to be notified by the NHS.

Pierre 07-05-2020 11:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36034175)
It's going to take time...
It’ll be interesting if that is correct. I’m not convinced about the schools. But would happy if it is right.

joglynne 07-05-2020 11:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
According to the Centre of Policy Studies costs due to Coronavirus borrowing could hit £300bn .

The following link also includes a breakdown of the Coronavirus costs up to 20/04/2020


https://www.cps.org.uk/media/press-r...onavirus-rise/

Apologies if the CPS is not regarded as a legitimate source of information.

Chris 07-05-2020 11:10
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36034180)
According to the Centre of Policy Studies costs due to Coronavirus borrowing could hit £300bn .

The following link also includes a breakdown of the Coronavirus costs up to 20/04/2020


https://www.cps.org.uk/media/press-r...onavirus-rise/

Apologies if the CPS is not regarded as a legitimate source of information.
Perfectly legitimate as far as I'm concerned, but the fact that they run a series of events called the Margaret Thatcher Conference will probably blow a few gaskets on this forum. :rofl:

Stuart 07-05-2020 11:52
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
They were..

When he was asked, the guy from the NHS (Professor Chris Witty IIRC) said that the government app would only store an identifier on the device. If the user reported symptoms later, this would then upload the device id and other relevant data to an NHS server, thus allowing the NHS to contact other potential victims, and track the infection.

A few slight problems with this approach though:
  1. We don't know will have access to the data. Cummings seems to be involved, so I feel that whoever has access, there is a good chance it will be used for things other than what we have been told. The GDPR likely includes a whole load of conditions that mean they won't provide protection for us. I haven't read the GDPR, but both previous Data Protection Acts included a whole load of exclusions that prevented them being used against the Government.
  2. iOS (in particular, don't know about Android) imposes heavy restrictions on what can be done with Bluetooth by any app running in the background.
  3. It's an app. The tracing will only be done by people who both download the app and leave it running. Neither are guaranteed. I'm terrible at remembering to leave things running. Probably comes from working with computers with nowhere near enough resources to leave everything running. As I understand it, using the API, a lot of the actual donkey work (looking for other devices, and sending notifications) is done by the OS, so will happen whether the app is running or not.

ianch99 07-05-2020 12:15
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36034140)
What would be a good name for someone who just copies and pastes someone else's posts without their own comment or interpretation?

Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36034140)
Well you never know ;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36034180)
According to the Centre of Policy Studies costs due to Coronavirus borrowing could hit £300bn .

The following link also includes a breakdown of the Coronavirus costs up to 20/04/2020


https://www.cps.org.uk/media/press-r...onavirus-rise/

Apologies if the CPS is not regarded as a legitimate source of information.
Depends on your definition of "legitimate" I suppose. Looking at https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Centre_for_Policy_Studies is quite interesting:

Quote:
The Centre for Policy Studies (CPS) is a think tank and pressure group in the United Kingdom. Its goal is to promote coherent and practical policies based on its founding principles of: free markets, small state, low tax, national independence, self determination and responsibility.[1] While being independent, the centre has historical links to the Conservative Party.
Certainly an organisation with a political bias. Worth bearing in mind when reading its articles ..

Chris 07-05-2020 12:38
Re: Coronavirus
 
Think tanks always have a political leaning. Individuals always have a political leaning. There's nothing wrong with that, and to be honest the points of view that concern me are the ones coming from those who deny they have a bias. If they're that lacking in self awareness then their ability to analyse anything external to themselves must be similarly suspect.

CPS is of the centre right, The Fabian Society, to take a random example, is of the centre left. Both have a legitimate voice in the city square of debate.

RichardCoulter 07-05-2020 14:16
Re: Coronavirus
 
Will we have access to any EU funding to help with Covid-19 seeing as we are still paying in at this point in time?

pip08456 07-05-2020 14:19
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36034214)
Will we have access to any EU funding to help with Covid-19 seeing as we are still paying in at this point in time?
No.

ianch99 07-05-2020 15:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36034196)
There's nothing wrong with that, and to be honest the points of view that concern me are the ones coming from those who deny they have a bias. If they're that lacking in self awareness then their ability to analyse anything external to themselves must be similarly suspect.
Do you have any examples?

Maggy 07-05-2020 15:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36034178)
Seeing we have been in Lockdown since the 23rd March its took over 6 weeks for your husband to be notified by the NHS.
I think they have been a tad busy..anyway his consultant has been doing phone appointments and I've made sure that he's been in isolation for my own peace of mind.

Russ 07-05-2020 18:24
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Something worth noting for us Taffs....(excuse the crap spelling)

pip08456 07-05-2020 18:52
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36034232)
Something worth noting for us Taffs....(excuse the crap spelling)
Yeh crap spelling but isn't it the Welsh Assembly that is responsible?
That said it makes sense that the UK as a whole comes out of lockdown together.

Make it a political thing though if you want, DILLIGAF!

Russ 07-05-2020 19:01
Re: Coronavirus
 
Don’t take his name in vain.

denphone 07-05-2020 19:22
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36034234)
Yeh crap spelling but isn't it the Welsh Assembly that is responsible?
That said it makes sense that the UK as a whole comes out of lockdown together.

Make it a political thing though if you want, DILLIGAF!
l certainly agree with you on that.

Paul 07-05-2020 19:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36034179)
It’ll be interesting if that is correct. I’m not convinced about the schools. But would happy if it is right.
I said a while back my wifes school was planning on a return June 1st (after the May week off) they expect Year 6 to be first.

spiderplant 07-05-2020 20:32
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36034234)
That said it makes sense that the UK as a whole comes out of lockdown together.
I happened to catch the Scottish press conference tioday. Nicola Sturgeon's opinion is that there should be no relaxation of the lockdown in Scotland at the moment. However she also expressed a desire that all four nations stay in sync to avoid mixed messages

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBC
Ms Sturgeon said it was thought that Scotland's infection rate might still be higher than in other parts of the UK, potentially because the first cases of Covid-19 north of the border came later than in England.
Flawed logic? The UK-wide lockdown started on the same date, so doesn't that just mean Scotland will be less badly affected?

pip08456 07-05-2020 21:14
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36034246)
I happened to catch the Scottish press conference tioday. Nicola Sturgeon's opinion is that there should be no relaxation of the lockdown in Scotland at the moment. However she also expressed a desire that all four nations stay in sync to avoid mixed messages


Flawed logic? The UK-wide lockdown started on the same date, so doesn't that just mean Scotland will be less badly affected?
That's her problem not ours. As and when restrictions are lifted throughout the country she is the one who has to explain to the scots why not. I doubt many would agree with her.

Jimmy-J 08-05-2020 00:45
Re: Coronavirus
 
What's going on?

Quote:
A compelling testimony by Dr Judy Mikovits exposing Dr Fauci and his Plandemic co-conspirators as brutal and heartless profiteers who are quite literally responsible for the death of millions.
Link

Paul 08-05-2020 01:02
Re: Coronavirus
 
:erm:

Hom3r 08-05-2020 06:43
Re: Coronavirus
 
A Dr who treated my mum in our local hospital called my sister.

She is only one of 3 people in the UK that has been paralysed by the Coronavirus, they wanted to know is she willing to be in medical journals.

She has said yes as she has neurofibromatosis and was in The Lancet for that.


He also said to push for physiotherapy when lockdown end, as there is a slim chance that she may get sensation back below the knees.

ianch99 08-05-2020 08:39
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 36034253)
What's going on?
Someone cannot spell pandemic, that's what's going on ...

Maggy 08-05-2020 08:54
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36034236)
Don’t take his name in vain.

:tu:

Chris 08-05-2020 09:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36034259)
Someone cannot spell pandemic, that's what's going on ...
Someone can’t spell implement either.

Hugh 08-05-2020 10:00
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 36034253)
What's going on?



Link
https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/07/pl...VR6biJVDp2L6Uz
Quote:
A coronavirus conspiracy video featuring a well-known vaccine conspiracist is spreading like wildfire on social media this week, even as platforms talk tough about misinformation in the midst of the pandemic.

In the professionally-produced video, a solemn interviewer named Mikki Willis interviews Judy Mikovits, a figure best known for her anti-vaccine activism in recent years. The video touches on a number of topics favored among online conspiracists at the moment, filtering most of them through the lens that vaccines are a money-making enterprise that causes medical harm.
Quote:
The video itself is a hodgepodge of popular false COVID-10 conspiracies already circulating online, scientifically unsound anti-vaccine talking points and claims of persecution.

Mikovits, who in the video states that she’s not opposed to vaccines, later goes on to make the claim that vaccines have killed millions of people. “The game is to prevent the therapies ‘til everyone is infected and push the vaccines, knowing that the flu vaccines increase the odds… of getting COVID-19,” Mikovits says, conspiratorially. At the same time, she suggests that doctors and health facilities are incentivized to overcount COVID-19 cases for the medicare payouts, an assertion that contradicts the expert consensus that coronavirus cases are likely still being meaningfully undercounted.
Quote:
In other interviews, Mikovits has suggested that face masks pose a danger because they can “activate” the virus in the wearer. In the “Plandemic” clip, Mikovits also makes the unscientific claim that beaches should not have been closed due to “healing microbes in the saltwater” and “sequences” in the sand that protect against the coronavirus.
I think the word "Wibble!" springs immediately to mind...

papa smurf 08-05-2020 10:07
Re: Coronavirus
 
“healing microbes in the saltwater” and “sequences” in the sand that protect against the coronavirus.


Might i point out that no beach on the planet has contracted the virus,it only seems attracted to people ;)

Carth 08-05-2020 10:56
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36034268)
“healing microbes in the saltwater” and “sequences” in the sand that protect against the coronavirus.


Might i point out that no beach on the planet has contracted the virus,it only seems attracted to people ;)

True that . . . . it doesn't seem to affect the rate the lawn grows either :scratch: maybe we could join forces for a youtube video on our scientific thesis
A marketable drink containing Chlorophyll and Sea Salt is next up :D

Chris 08-05-2020 11:00
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36034267)
https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/07/pl...VR6biJVDp2L6Uz

I think the word "Wibble!" springs immediately to mind...

Indeed
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1588931999

1andrew1 08-05-2020 11:33
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36034273)
True that . . . . it doesn't seem to affect the rate the lawn grows either :scratch: maybe we could join forces for a youtube video on our scientific thesis
A marketable drink containing Chlorophyll and Sea Salt is next up :D
Some stiff competition in that market from Madagascar. :td:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-52519853

Chris 08-05-2020 12:25
Re: Coronavirus
 
Initial independent testing by labs running jailbroken iPhones suggests that the NHS contact tracing app developers have indeed found a way round the issues many claimed would prevent the app running effectively in the background for any length of time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52579547

The NHS has now released the app's source code on GitHub, so further independent scrutiny can occur over the weekend.

Carth 08-05-2020 13:03
Re: Coronavirus
 
Seems an awful lot of time and effort is being put into something that (IMO) isn't going to be any better than the current 'self isolation' procedure already in place.

Currently, if you think you have the symptoms you self isolate (and hopefully contact people you've been around)

With the app (from what I can see), you have to correctly and accurately input your symptoms then wait for a test kit. When the test is identified as positive, your phone tells everyone you have it . . . if everyone has the app running constantly.

It all seems very hit & miss to me, like buying something cheap off Ebay and hoping it works when it arrives :erm:

spiderplant 08-05-2020 13:16
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36034288)
(and hopefully contact people you've been around)
How do you contact the random people you sat near on the bus?

Carth 08-05-2020 13:25
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36034289)
How do you contact the random people you sat near on the bus?
Fair point, although why you'd sit 'near' people on a bus is another matter ;)

How many on the bus were carriers with no symptoms?

Hugh 08-05-2020 13:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36034285)
Initial independent testing by labs running jailbroken iPhones suggests that the NHS contact tracing app developers have indeed found a way round the issues many claimed would prevent the app running effectively in the background for any length of time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52579547

The NHS has now released the app's source code on GitHub, so further independent scrutiny can occur over the weekend.
That's good news.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36034289)
How do you contact the random people you sat near on the bus?
You don't - the app/server does.

pip08456 08-05-2020 13:40
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36034293)

You don;t - the app does.
Read post 3061.

mrmistoffelees 08-05-2020 13:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36034285)
Initial independent testing by labs running jailbroken iPhones suggests that the NHS contact tracing app developers have indeed found a way round the issues many claimed would prevent the app running effectively in the background for any length of time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52579547

The NHS has now released the app's source code on GitHub, so further independent scrutiny can occur over the weekend.

So all people have to do to get the iOS app to work is jailbreak their device?

That’s possibly the most ridiculous testing strategy I’ve heard

I can see Apple being incredibly impressed

nomadking 08-05-2020 13:55
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36034296)
So all people have to do to get the iOS app to work is jailbreak their device?

That’s possibly the most ridiculous testing strategy I’ve heard

I can see Apple being incredibly impressed
It doesn't have to be jailbroken to use it, but it does if people(eg app developers, researchers) need to look behind the scenes at exactly what is going on.

Quote:
And preliminary tests by a cyber-security company suggest it has succeeded.
Pen Test Partners installed the app on a handful of "jailbroken" iPhones - altered to allow them to monitor activity normally hidden from users.

Chris 08-05-2020 14:05
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36034296)
So all people have to do to get the iOS app to work is jailbreak their device?

That’s possibly the most ridiculous testing strategy I’ve heard

I can see Apple being incredibly impressed
Did you not actually bother to read the article?

The research company used jail broken phones because it allowed them to monitor the way the app worked and how phones responded to Bluetooth detection. At no point does it suggest the app worked better because the test devices were jail broken.

mrmistoffelees 08-05-2020 14:39
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36034298)
Did you not actually bother to read the article?

The research company used jail broken phones because it allowed them to monitor the way the app worked and how phones responded to Bluetooth detection. At no point does it suggest the app worked better because the test devices were jail broken.
Nope, I read your post only. Apologies.

Paul 08-05-2020 15:52
Re: Coronavirus
 
I wonder how long it will be before Apple & Google "fix" whatever allows them to get round their restrictions.

mrmistoffelees 08-05-2020 15:54
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36034307)
I wonder how long it will be before Apple & Google "fix" whatever allows them to get round their restrictions.
I think the problem is mainly at the Apple side. From what i remember of the report i read two iphones with the app in the background couldnt talk to each other, only when an Android handset came into play could they start communicating.

pip08456 08-05-2020 17:25
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36034308)
I think the problem is mainly at the Apple side. From what i remember of the report i read two iphones with the app in the background couldnt talk to each other, only when an Android handset came into play could they start communicating.
I think you need to read the report again.

Damien 08-05-2020 18:11
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36034307)
I wonder how long it will be before Apple & Google "fix" whatever allows them to get round their restrictions.
I remain skeptical it'll work at a large scale. We'll need to see what people who've gone though the source code have found out.

The problem remains that iOS doesn't allow apps to broadcast out in the background. It listens but it doesn't send. The theory was that the developers used this to allow Android phones to 'wake' the iPhones again by asking them to do something.

Maybe the developers have found a way to do this with iOS apps too but that would essentially mean they're using a dodgy workaround to make iPhones ping each other, keeping the app alive, allowing them to ping for a bit longer. In other words it depends on a critical mass of phones constantly pinging each other to stay alive, the app will consistently be on the verge of terminating.

So in real world use the questions will be if this can hold up when moving in and out of range constantly, if airplane mode will terminate it, if iOS moves it out of memory if it backgrounds for too long, how often the app needs to be opened and so on.

If they really have found a solution that works credit to them and I doubt Apple will patch it out just yet as the PR would be damaging. However anyone building on a loophole in the system should expect that loophole to be closed either intentionally on unintentional.

heero_yuy 08-05-2020 18:16
Re: Coronavirus
 
El Gov. have a history of IT projects that end in failure so I don't expect the mould to be broken.

jfman 08-05-2020 18:54
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36034247)
That's her problem not ours. As and when restrictions are lifted throughout the country she is the one who has to explain to the scots why not. I doubt many would agree with her.
I look forward to the UK Government being held up to the same scrutiny and have to explain the decisions it took, especially if easing the restrictions results in substantially more infections and deaths.

Julian 08-05-2020 19:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
Very intersting article from a respected source in the Lancet HERE

Quote:
In summary, COVID-19 is a disease that is highly infectious and spreads rapidly through society. It is often quite symptomless and might pass unnoticed, but it also causes severe disease, and even death, in a proportion of the population, and our most important task is not to stop spread, which is all but futile, but to concentrate on giving the unfortunate victims optimal care.

jfman 08-05-2020 19:47
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36034333)
Very intersting article from a respected source in the Lancet HERE
Although published in the Lancet it's worth noting that the author 'masterminded' Sweden's herd immunity strategy.

Be interesting to see if this statement holds up:

Quote:
98–99% of these people are probably unaware or uncertain of having had the infection

mrmistoffelees 08-05-2020 19:58
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36034315)
I think you need to read the report again.
You know the report I read to correct me do you ?

You don’t, so how about you be quiet? There’s a good chap.

OLD BOY 08-05-2020 20:00
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36034333)
Very intersting article from a respected source in the Lancet HERE
Yes, that plays to my mindset.

In particular:

Measures to flatten the curve might have an effect, but a lockdown only pushes the severe cases into the future —it will not prevent them. Admittedly, countries have managed to slow down spread so as not to overburden health-care systems, and, yes, effective drugs that save lives might soon be developed, but this pandemic is swift, and those drugs have to be developed, tested, and marketed quickly. Much hope is put in vaccines, but they will take time, and with the unclear protective immunological response to infection, it is not certain that vaccines will be very effective.

Nice to have my view of this confirmed in 'The Lancet', but of course that won't impress jfman who will undoubtedly find someting obscure to rubbish the whole idea!

Oh, look!

jfman 08-05-2020 20:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36034338)
Yes, that plays to my mindset.

In particular:

Measures to flatten the curve might have an effect, but a lockdown only pushes the severe cases into the future —it will not prevent them. Admittedly, countries have managed to slow down spread so as not to overburden health-care systems, and, yes, effective drugs that save lives might soon be developed, but this pandemic is swift, and those drugs have to be developed, tested, and marketed quickly. Much hope is put in vaccines, but they will take time, and with the unclear protective immunological response to infection, it is not certain that vaccines will be very effective.

Nice to have my view of this confirmed in 'The Lancet', but of course that won't impress jfman who will undoubtedly find someting obscure to rubbish the whole idea!

Oh, look!
There's no need to be offensive or disrespectful.

You will know the Lancet contains published material from a wide range of scientists, some of whom will offer contradictory opinions on a wide range of matters with the aim of facilitating further research or discussion.

As you say, this one plays into your pre-existing mindset.

OLD BOY 08-05-2020 20:10
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36034340)
There's no need to be offensive or disrespectful.

You will know the Lancet contains published material from a wide range of scientists, some of whom will offer contradictory opinions on a wide range of matters with the aim of facilitating further research or discussion.

As you say, this one plays into your pre-existing mindset.
It was neither, jfman. It was meant to be humorous.

Russ 08-05-2020 20:18
Re: Coronavirus
 
An interesting take, it could go some way to back up our First Minister giving us slightly more freedom from Monday:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...laims-11985343

ianch99 08-05-2020 21:49
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36034266)
Someone can’t spell implement either.
Explain?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36034285)
Initial independent testing by labs running jailbroken iPhones suggests that the NHS contact tracing app developers have indeed found a way round the issues many claimed would prevent the app running effectively in the background for any length of time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52579547

The NHS has now released the app's source code on GitHub, so further independent scrutiny can occur over the weekend.
How is behaviour of jailbroken iPhones relevant to this discussion?

---------- Post added at 21:49 ---------- Previous post was at 21:46 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36034344)
An interesting take, it could go some way to back up our First Minister giving us slightly more freedom from Monday:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...laims-11985343
Without statistically meaningful (and reliable) testing this can never be validated so assuming it is true and then acting on the basis of it is a tremendous roll of the dice.

jfman 08-05-2020 21:53
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36034341)
It was neither, jfman. It was meant to be humorous.
The good news is if 98-99% are completely unaware then the chances are it's far more widespread than expected and we will inadvertently achieve herd immunity.

As the lockdown eases gradually we can take confidence.

Sephiroth 08-05-2020 22:53
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36034335)
Although published in the Lancet it's worth noting that the author 'masterminded' Sweden's herd immunity strategy.

Quote:
98-99% are completely unaware
Be interesting to see if this statement holds up:
How can it? (And you don't accept it either).

98% of X can never be known. You can reverse engineer X because the so called 2% is reported. Based on 211K positive tests, that would mean to date 10.6M had the virus but never knew it.

Chris 08-05-2020 23:54
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36034348)
Explain?

---------- Post added at 21:46 ---------- Previous post was at 21:42 ----------



How is behaviour of jailbroken iPhones relevant to this discussion?
All these answers and more would be yours if you actually bothered to read the thread and the articles linked therein. The iPhone issue, in particular, has already been explained twice since it was first posted this morning.

jfman 09-05-2020 00:57
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36034357)
How can it? (And you don't accept it either).

98% of X can never be known. You can reverse engineer X because the so called 2% is reported. Based on 211K positive tests, that would mean to date 10.6M had the virus but never knew it.
I agree, but it'd be nice if true.

Pierre 09-05-2020 09:42
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36034362)
I agree, but it'd be nice if true.
We won’t know until an accurate anti-body test is produced.

Mrs Pierre and I often go to London several times a month. Mrs Pierre developed a cough and some kind of Respiratory issue before In December.

So we don’t know if she had it or not and I would suggest there are many thousands in our situation. It would be good to know one way or the other.

Ken W 09-05-2020 09:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
The government is talking about quarantine all flights with e exception of flights from certain countries from the end of the month while the rest of the UK is under lock down. They should have been doing weeks ago, so much for Best Scientific advice!

Hugh 09-05-2020 09:57
Re: Coronavirus
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...cbb3825b6981f9 (Readable link)
Quote:
All travellers coming to Britain will be quarantined for a fortnight in an effort to avoid a second peak of the coronavirus pandemic, Boris Johnson will announce tomorrow.

The prime minister will say in an address to the nation that passengers arriving at airports and ports, including Britons returning from abroad, will have to self-isolate for 14 days.

Under the measures, which are likely to come into force in early June, travellers will have to provide the address at which they will self-isolate on arrival.

The authorities will conduct spot checks and those found to be breaking the rules face fines of up to £1,000 or even being deported. However, the aviation and holiday industry has warned that the move could be catastrophic for business. It is likely to end any lingering hopes that Britons could take their summer holidays abroad this year.


---------- Post added at 09:57 ---------- Previous post was at 09:48 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36034338)
Yes, that plays to my mindset.

In particular:

Measures to flatten the curve might have an effect, but a lockdown only pushes the severe cases into the future —it will not prevent them. Admittedly, countries have managed to slow down spread so as not to overburden health-care systems, and, yes, effective drugs that save lives might soon be developed, but this pandemic is swift, and those drugs have to be developed, tested, and marketed quickly. Much hope is put in vaccines, but they will take time, and with the unclear protective immunological response to infection, it is not certain that vaccines will be very effective.

Nice to have my view of this confirmed in 'The Lancet', but of course that won't impress jfman who will undoubtedly find someting obscure to rubbish the whole idea!

Oh, look!
Man who’s behind scientific advice in Sweden continues to say his advice was correct (shock horror).

Even though the death toll in Sweden is higher in total than the surrounding countries of Denmark, Norway, and Finland.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...ronavirus.html
Quote:
Sweden's virus death rate of 291 per million inhabitants is far higher than Norway's death rate of 40 per million, Denmark's rate of 87, or Finland's rate of 45.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/05/1.gif

Russ 09-05-2020 10:41
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36034367)
We won’t know until an accurate anti-body test is produced.

Mrs Pierre and I often go to London several times a month. Mrs Pierre developed a cough and some kind of Respiratory issue before In December.

So we don’t know if she had it or not and I would suggest there are many thousands in our situation. It would be good to know one way or the other.
I was in Leicester over the new year, on my way back from the gym I instantly started to develop a cough and respiratory issues that continued quite significantly until the end of January. My OH is now convinced I had the Rona back then. I’m not so sure as I don’t remember anyone around me getting ill but yes it would be nice (although not essential obviously) to know.

OLD BOY 09-05-2020 10:51
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36034352)
The good news is if 98-99% are completely unaware then the chances are it's far more widespread than expected and we will inadvertently achieve herd immunity.

As the lockdown eases gradually we can take confidence.
I doubt it could possibly be that high as they tell us that herd immunity is achieved at 80%. However, I have always said that this virus is spreading more quickly than people think. Just how quickly is the big unknown.

Sephiroth 09-05-2020 11:02
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36034383)
I doubt it could possibly be that high as they tell us that herd immunity is achieved at 80%. However, I have always said that this virus is spreading more quickly than people think. Just how quickly is the big unknown.
X

jfman 09-05-2020 11:12
Re: Coronavirus
 
If we are detecting 5,000 cases a day his theory is that at the same time roughly 250,000 to 500,000 silent infections are taking place. We are also not testing some symptomatic people (e.g. those working from home just now) so these figures could be even higher.

As Seph says the numbers infected up to now would be over 10 million (possibly as high as 20 million). Herd immunity would be achieved sometime in the next 2-6 months under the present conditions. Pubs open in time for the office Christmas parties.

Sephiroth 09-05-2020 11:22
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36034389)
If we are detecting 5,000 cases a day his theory is that at the same time roughly 250,000 to 500,000 silent infections are taking place. We are also not testing some symptomatic people (e.g. those working from home just now) so these figures could be even higher.

As Seph says the numbers infected up to now would be over 10 million (possibly as high as 20 million). Herd immunity would be achieved sometime in the next 2-6 months under the present conditions. Pubs open in time for the office Christmas parties.
... or even in the next 2 minutes! Pubs open tomorrow.
(I wouldn't go).

ianch99 09-05-2020 11:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36034360)
All these answers and more would be yours if you actually bothered to read the thread and the articles linked therein. The iPhone issue, in particular, has already been explained twice since it was first posted this morning.
Oh dear. Got out of bed on the wrong side again? :)

I have read the thread and the linked articles. I'll ask again, why a test using Jailbroken iPhones is meaningful in this discussion? The number of Jailbroken iPhones is so small as to be statistically meaningless. Apple is also constanting plugging the exploits that allows the Jailbreak in the first place.

It seems that you were trying to demonstrate that the Government's decision to write their own App even when they were told it would not work as intended was a good one and not just another example of "we know better"?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36034389)
If we are detecting 5,000 cases a day his theory is that at the same time roughly 250,000 to 500,000 silent infections are taking place. We are also not testing some symptomatic people (e.g. those working from home just now) so these figures could be even higher.

As Seph says the numbers infected up to now would be over 10 million (possibly as high as 20 million). Herd immunity would be achieved sometime in the next 2-6 months under the present conditions. Pubs open in time for the office Christmas parties.
There seems a lot of talk about "Herd immunity" but as yet, there seems no scientific consensus that immunity is indeed guarenteed and if it is, how long it lasts for.

It would be a bold move to relax the lockdown based on herd immunity when it does not exist in the form most people might understand it.

jfman 09-05-2020 11:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
As Seph pointed out in post 3085 I don't agree with the article in the Lancet - I'm playing along though for the analysis.

If it's a thing though and the figures I've posted above hold up then arguably it justifies extending the lockdown - after all it would be time limited. Restrictions gradually eased from June/July wouldn't see significant spikes if the theory holds. Further lifting of restrictions from August/September and things could be back to normal not long after that.

Re: the jailbroken iPhones. The jailbroken phone is required to let them delve further into the behaviour of the app. The intention is the final app once designed can run on iPhones that aren't jailbroken.

1andrew1 09-05-2020 11:49
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36034394)
As Seph pointed out in post 3085 I don't agree with the article in the Lancet - I'm playing along though for the analysis. .
Loving the interplay between you and Seph on this thread at the moment. :tu:

Hugh 09-05-2020 12:15
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36034394)
As Seph pointed out in post 3085 I don't agree with the article in the Lancet - I'm playing along though for the analysis.

If it's a thing though and the figures I've posted above hold up then arguably it justifies extending the lockdown - after all it would be time limited. Restrictions gradually eased from June/July wouldn't see significant spikes if the theory holds. Further lifting of restrictions from August/September and things could be back to normal not long after that.

Re: the jailbroken iPhones. The jailbroken phone is required to let them delve further into the behaviour of the app. The intention is the final app once designed can run on iPhones that aren't jailbroken.
Google, The Book of Face, and other major US Tech companies expect most of their workers to work from home until 2021 - these companies have very effective (and large) Risk Assessment and Management sections, and they wouldn't be doing this unless they thought there was still a substantial risk to their staff (and their staff are their biggest assets). Google and FB especially are very strong in the Data Analytics and Behavioural Science areas, so their forecasts will be unbiased by political considerations, just H&S/profit based.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/google...CAD-03-10abf6j

Chris 09-05-2020 12:19
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36034392)
Oh dear. Got out of bed on the wrong side again? :)
I believe that’s what’s known as transference. ;)

Quote:
I have read the thread and the linked articles. I'll ask again, why a test using Jailbroken iPhones is meaningful in this discussion? The number of Jailbroken iPhones is so small as to be statistically meaningless. Apple is also constanting plugging the exploits that allows the Jailbreak in the first place.
Seeing as you have read it but not understood it, I’ll try to be as simple as possible.

The researchers use jail broken phones so they can verify that the app is working as claimed.

Jail broken phones allow unauthorised apps to be run, that reveal things normally hidden to users.

The jail broken state of the phone is of no relevance beyond providing evidence that the tracing app seems to work as intended.

Quote:
It seems that you were trying to demonstrate that the Government's decision to write their own App even when they were told it would not work as intended was a good one and not just another example of "we know better"?.
And it seems you’re more interested in maintaining your belief that the app won’t work, in the face of hard evidence to the contrary.

Go figure. :shrug:


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