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Premier League Scores

Blackburn 3-2 QPR
Fulham 2-1 Stoke
Everton 2-0 Chelsea
Bolton 1-2 Wigan
Sun'land 1-2 Arsenal
Swansea 2-3 Norwich
Man Utd 2-1 Liverpool
Tottenham Newcastle Live on ESPN

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/

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Yes someone a few years older then you. :D

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I didn't watch the game and instead followed comments on AL.

I did watch Evertons game... Chelsea were poor.. again

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Someone put AVB out of his misery as the team look like 11 individuals.

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Oh :eek: what is happening at Spurs adzil.:shocked:

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One of the most shocking defensive displays I've seen

No defender should be playing in the top league in the world if they cant mark or defend balls into the box like that :shocked:

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Theyall should be done?

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Suarez was a disgrace. Kenny Dalglish was equally stupid for that comment as well

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Absolutely agree, misplaced loyalty

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Why would Harry want all that hassle from the FA, all the hassle from the press, as if they fail at the Euro's, they will tear the manager apart.

Let Pearce take the whole, he knows the whole set up and the players, or bring in Hodgson who was interviewed for the job before Capello.

If l am not wrong wasn't Allardyce interview as well. Mourinho is also being touted. And would you take a job on half the pay that was given to Capello.

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yes i would take it..i work for few months and make more than I would in 20 years :D

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Yes its definitely the worse they have played this season.:td:

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Some fans...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-16996748

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But it was funny...

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Completely agree. What made it even more a disgrace was the young mascots were right there and that idiot did that in front of them. Hardly setting an example to move on from bad incidents. Kenny has been a massive fool surrounding the whole argument from the start by allowing shirts showing support to Suarez and that stupid comment from him today. Could come back to bite both of them in the arse and it would serve them both bloody right.

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Okay 1 thing i don't understand with this whole saurez/evra thing is that the fa said that the players had to shake hands etc but what last week when it was ferdinand/terry the fa said the teams didn't need to shake hands

now to me that smells of double standards as with terry its a full police enquiry whilst with saurez it was evra word and not captured on camera.

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Ferdinand had informed his club that they wouldn't shake hands and other players would join him. QPR and Chelsea told the FA who decided to skip the handshake. Suarez and Liverpool said today would go fine and Evra and United said so too, Evra was willing to shake hands but was snubbed.

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I can't believe Liverpool continue to attempt to act the victim. Daglish telling the Sky reporter than he was out of order to blame Suarez is insane.

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It bewilders me how Suarez can be defended in any way after his actions and most shockingly from someone as highly rated as Kenny Dalglish... or was, He's gone way down in my books lately.

Fergie told it how it is today and said it damn good. Someone as Ignorant and arrogant as Luis Suarez should not be playing at the top level, He does not deserve it one bit. I feel sorry for you genuine Liverpool fans because Suarez and Liverpool are making you look extremely bad at the minute and It's not fair that Liverpool fans are now being subject to taunts and criticism from Rival supporters etc. Solely because of a few idiots.

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Also, I think Daglish needs to take a look at himself, he seems more focused on the rivalry rather than the matter in question itself.

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What's most disappointing is that there really was nothing to see.... Had a liar (abused 10 times?) accused me of being a racist I wouldn't a shake their hand either. Also, Ferguson needs to look a bit closer to home before he casts his judgement on other teams players.

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A liar? So Suarez missed the last 8 games for nothing and never thought to launch an appeal. :dunce:

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Why 'coz he didn't shake the hand of some he doesn't like, big deal, I wouldn't have shaken it either, they want to make these phoney gestures before games expect trouble because that's all they cause no one reported on how well the handshaking went at all the other weekend games did they.

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Spot on.:clap:

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I don't agree with suarez, but equally I always thought hand shake at start is stupid

which proves, two stupids don't make a smart

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Liverpool's case was hinged on the definition of the word Suarez used being a term of affection in South America. However Evra is from France and the word used there is racially offensive. This even if Liverpool's case is correct, that Suarez used it as a term of affection during an argument, Evra was not to know that.

So quite why he is the liar and why he deserves the abuse from Liverpool is beyond me. The again Liverpool's behaviour in this entire case has been beyond me. Such as nasty reaction from the fans and club to a player who feels he was racially abused.

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Hello Kenny.

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I don't suppose Evra wanted to the shake the hand of a racist that has abused him either. But he wasn't stupid and knew the media would be looking, he knew if he just shook hands that would be that, end of story, and both players could move on. For some reason Suarez didn't want that and the story is going to go on and on.

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I think there is also a further point in that the Suarez / Evra incident has been extremely bad for the game. Whether you wanted to shake the other's hand or not, football is bigger than both of them and so to show the world at large that the racist episode was over between them - as far as the game goes - the handshake would have been the responsible thing to do.

I am not doubting that there are racists in football, from all shades of the colour spectrum. But let's leave that off the pitch, especially when you have easily influenced people (including youngsters) watching.

On a further note, Cameron should stay out of football....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17001503

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I think the whole business is being taken out of proportion, Did we make a fuss after the John Terry and Bridges incident, I was hoping that Bridge would have slapped him one.

The scenario with the Suarez affair is that the club is taking a backside view of it, I am a great fan of Liverpool, (I am a spurs fan), there players have great respect and of Dalglish a great player.

But Sir Alex summed it up for me, Suarez should face the wrath of the Liverpool management BUT also the board.

Liverpool are a laughing stock of football today. This has to be sorted out quickly, BOTH players to spoken too. BUT the only snag there is Suarez thinks he is above everyone else and is very cocky.

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I also agree with Raaf, Cameron etc should keep there nose out of football and leave to the various people, The FA. PL and the clubs.

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Don't take it out of context with that crap. Not liking someone and being racist to someone is something completely different.

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I think people are looking at this in the wrong way.

Firstly I think Suarez is ****. Racist or not, he's a liverpool player, 'nuff said.

However I don't think he is racist. I think it's entirely possible to make a racist comment without being a racist. My OH is British Indian. If someone wanted to call me a racist then they'd have a job on their hands trying to prove it. At times she and I have silly immature moments where we call each other childish names etc. I say things like "Yeah, that sums up you brown-skinned people etc". Of course she doesn't take it in any other way than us messing about. If I said it publicly about someone in the street I'd probably get in trouble for it. But it's all in the context.

Back to Suarez. There are things you just don't do or say in public especially if you're a celebrity or in a role-model position. He deserved his punishment from the FA, no question there.

But what I think he (and Terry) did was to say something in the heat of the moment. This is not to excuse anything but we often say things in the heat of the moment. I think both players were angry and wanted to be offensive and hurtful as they possibly could. I think this is human nature and not an indication of their true natures. I can't see Terry being racist, I think it would have shown up long before now considering how long he's been in the game. Suarez....I have no idea but I think he's only guilty of using very unwise words. He deserves his punishment but I don't see him as racist.

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Difference being Bridge had every right to not want to shake Terry's hand. If this was the other way round, with Evra refusing to shake Suarez's hand, I bet not as much would have been made of it.

Suarez admitted to saying what Evra claimed he said, his defense was that it wasn't meant as offensive, just a term of endearment.

Why then should he refuse to shake the hand of the guy he didn't mean to offend? Sure he served a ban because of saying it, but if that was me I'd want to apologise to Evra for accidentally offending him, not decide I hate the guy because of the suspension.

What makes you think he isn't? What has he actually done in this situation that makes him look like he isn't racist? Like I've said above, if he isn't racist, and didn't mean to offend Evra, what reason does he have for not shaking the guys hand? What reason does he have for not apologising for accidentally causing offence to Evra when he didn't mean to?

There's a saying that if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. Suarez did an awful lot of quacking on Saturday.

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Liverpool need to stop this conspiracy nonsense. It's tiresome. They exist under a siege mentality and it's clouding their judgement over this case. People actually like Liverpool, we're not all against them, and whenever they have petitions over the injustices that have occurred outside of football they have massive support - even from United fans.

The reason no one is with them this time is simply because they are tragically wrong.

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Correct at all angles, Its not nice to see genuine Liverpool supporters tarred with the same brush as the rest of those loonies.

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It is sad that Suarez now seems to have lost some of the Liverpool supporters, and yesterday was a powder keg just waiting to explode. Suarez at fault in the handshake when he refused to shake Evra's hand when every other Liverpool player seemed to shake it. But Evra totally at fault at final whistle the way he celebrated the win. Credit to Suarez and Liverpool for not reacting too harshly there.

However, I cannot help feeling that this would not have happened had Ferguson and Dalglish sat down and spoke to Evra and Suarez and tried to get this sorted out before the game. If it had failed, then either Evra or Suarez should not have been picked, and we wouldn't be having this debate now.

As for next weekend, I have got myself stocked up ready to watch Stevenage try and thrash Spurs. The way Harry has them playing atm though doesn't fill me with much confidence though. Still, be a nice money earner for the club. The chairman has already stated in my local press that the TV money and gate receipts will go towards the redevelopment of the stadium, so that is an extra £300k or so towards it.

ETA:

Apparently Suarez has come out and apologised to Evra, Man U and Liverpool for yesterday. Too little too late in my book.

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Yes it would seem that the Liverpool board have acted

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17004667

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/lates...luis-was-wrong

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I'm a big fan of 'innocent until proven guilty'. Apparently he called Evra 'negro' which is supposedly an everyday and acceptable expression to use in his own country. I don't accept that as an excuse though - if you move to another country to live or work then you accept their laws override what you are used to. He may well be racist but in the absence of evidence we should assume he isn't.

It's worth noting it is not against any FA rule to be a racist, only to use racist words or behavior.

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He called him "negrito"...

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My point still stands.

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Funny I thought he tried to shake Rio's hand...

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Suppose that's why Evra did what he did at the end of the match to, because he knew the media were watching, wanted to move on and is that smart.

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Is he a man or a child...:rolleyes:

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Liverpool and Suarez have apologised. Just need evra to now and the saga will be over.

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Except the language experts completely tore apart Suarez's defence that it was an everyday acceptable expression. Which is why he took an 8 game ban.

You must have a weird definition of absence of evidence. Suarez's conduct after the event, his conflicting statement to the FA, the experts views on his defence, and even his apology now where he doesn't apologise to Evra, just for making Liverpool look bad, is plenty of evidence.

But then some people would still defend him if he was caught walking around Liverpool wearing a klans mans uniform.

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Nobody is denying he used racist comments. But that does not automatically make him a racist. The FA will not (and indeed cannot) take action against someone purely because they are racist.

His subsequent petulant attitude is more to do with him being of the belief that the punishment did not fit the crime.

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I stand to be corrected but as far as I am aware, Suarez has never apologised directly to Evra or anyone else for calling him a negro, negrito or what ever, until that happens he is still a low life in my eyes.

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Surely if he wasn't racist he'd have actually apologised to Evra for accidentally offending him then?

He hasn't. Instead he's played the victim which the Scousers have ate up with the inherent victim mentality. So much so that many of them are now saying it's a disgrace the club have released the statements they have and they should have stood by Suarez instead of forcing him to apologise.

The "just because he said something racist doesn't make him racist" defence holds about as much sway as prefixing something with "I'm not racist but..."

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That is where he is being petulant.

It's a valid defence if that is what he uses. Discussing whether I'm racist because of what I say to my OH would be taking this off-topic but you get the idea.

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Evra lied to French TV in claiming that he was racially abused 10 times then later dismissed this as a "figure of speech". This was also echoed by Ferguson in his post-match comments.

There was no point appealing when the FA do not conduct their discplinary process in a manner consistent with the law of the land certainly not when an unsuccessful appeal may result in an increased ban. Under the law of this land you cannot be found guilty of something on the balance of probability.

Suarez had every right to refuse Evra's handshake yesterday and I wouldn't blame him, however: What is not right is that he appears to have misled the manager based on Kenny Dalglish's comments before the game.

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So he only racially abused him a couple of times? Jesus what was all the fuss about. :rolleyes:

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According to Luis Suarez he didn't at all and nobody can prove it beyond reasonable doubt. Since when did facts have less
value than heresay?

Should we cheapen the issue of racism in sport by using a petty, childish spat between two overpaid, childish foreign footballers as a show trial to score points against the other idiots who are running the game at a global level? I think not.

The media in this country, particularly the sports media number and herd the masses like sheep, it's beyond laughable.

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Suarez admitted to saying it but disputed the context. Which means Evra getting all the abuse was unacceptable. No one outside of Manchester and Liverpool cares about the rivalry. So when they see Evra getting booed and the LFC statement calling him a liar for suggesting he heard the word that Suarez admitted to saying then we object. Evra isn't especially popular so people were not pre-disposed to taking his side either.

Trying to accuse others of cheapening the issue of racism in the same sentence as dismissing an alleged incidence of such as a childish spat does your case no good at all. Nor does the insistence that this was done to score points against FIFA. The FA and most football clubs have been working on abolishing racism out of the game for a decade now, this has been quite a public effort, and there are prior incidents of racism being taken seriously.

No, it's beyond laughable that Liverpool think that they alone see the clarity in this issue when everyone else thinks the club have handled this poorly. You really think all the media and the public have gotten this wrong? Sorry but you can't dismiss everyone as an idiot just because they disagree with Liverpool's take on the matter. Such accusations are the refuge of the conspiracy theorist.

The alternative interpretations that vindicate Liverpool can make you all look like fools. Yesterday Liverpool fans were bombarding the internet with photoshops and camera angles to suggest that Evra pulled his hand away from Suarez first, and it was in fact Evra who refused to shake hands. Yet when Match of the Day showed the entire footage from different angles it became apparent that this was another fabrication designed to turn Evra into the guilty party and Suarez into the victim. An attempt foiled by both the actual footage and Liverpool's welcome apologies today.

Again, no neutral cares about the stupid rivalry. Yet the majority think Liverpool have handled this badly. We're not all anti-Liverpool, in fact most neutrals quite like Liverpool because of the history of the club. You find tremendous support for the club when they want justice for Hillsborough and there was great sympathy for the fans of the club when they were taken over by idiots. So don't try to dismiss criticism of the club as something other than what it is. Your not convincing anyone outside of Liverpool with this argument.

Take a step back from the conspiracy theories and the siege mentality and ask yourself why a popular club finds itself under barrage from almost every quarter? Do you really think they have all been duped or 'herded like sheep'? Do you really think that Liverpool, the club that employ the player in question, are somehow the only ones who can see this clearly or do you think that you might have comprised your judgement?

Liverpool are free to maintain Suarez's innocence. They are not free to continue their attitude towards Evra nor to allege that this whole thing has been some sworded conspiracy against Liverpool or Fifa. It's tiresome and no one is buying.

Take a step back.

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erm he admitted to saying it.

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He admitted to saying something in his native tongue and maintains that there was no racially motivated intent in what he said. It's Luis Suarez's perogative if he wishes to maintain his innocence with regards to the charges and verdict brought against him.

This has run it's course, it's been done to death and while he's was very wrong to have misled Kenny Dalglish was it really necessary to continue flogging a dead horse over this handshake nonsense?

Damien... from a fan's perspective do we really know if racism is a problem on the pitch? From past experience it is a sporadically occuring problem within the stands.
In the case of Suarez, subsequently Terry why is it such a hot topic in the immediate aftermath of Blatter's idiotic comments when, in times recently past the topic was dismissed as mere folly by the media and the suits around the trough?

Of course the Suarez affair was a show trial, this is not a cry of "conspiracy!". The FA have not crossed this bridge before but in the light of the Blatter comments and increasing scrutiny around said issue were undoubtedly pressured into acting the way they did when in actual fact the scrutiny should have been on their own due process. imho this is a sensitive issue for both parties which should only be dealt with under staturory law.

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Yes. That was been at the key of Liverpool's defence. They are welcome to that defence. I side with the FA's view that it's quite unlikely Suarez used a term of endearment towards a player during a acrimonious dispute but that's a matter of debate.

However this does mean that Evra did hear the word in question, he wasn't lying. He is also unlikely to have known the finer points of South American terminology so he understandably thought it was a racial slur. This means that at best he was the victim of a misunderstanding and at worst was a victim of racial abuse. Neither of this make him deserving of the treatment he has been receiving from Liverpool fans, the attack on his character from Liverpool's statement (hard to call him a liar when your own defence has conceded the utterance of the word in question), and the snubbing of the handshake from Suarez.

Let's be clear. Even by Suarez's version of events, he snubbed Evra for having misunderstood what he said. When such a misunderstanding occurs the correct course of action is to be apologetic that someone thought you racially abused them, not outrage.

I don't think the media ever took the issue of Racism in Football as folly. There have been constant campaigns and stories about it. I remember the press trying to name and shame the fans who racially abused Sol Campbell at Spurs and the outrage when players were subject to racial abuse abroad.

To try and pretend that the media and the FA have only just become concerned with Racism doesn't hold up.

No. It is a cry of conspiracy. The FA have crossed this bridge before, long before, the Blatter comments. The Liverpool fans argument that they haven't is just another attempt at revising history to support their argument, a trait common amongst conspiracy theorists. Newcastle's Emre was charged with the same offence in 2007 (although found not guilty later). Just a few days ago they charged some youth team players for the same offence. It is quite rare but then such accusations are quite rare. However the FA and clubs have always taken a hard line on fans, with fans being banned for life for Racist abuse. It's only fair to hold players to the same standard.

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Can we call Scholes gingerito? :D

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McCarthy's gone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17012933

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A sad state of affairs if you ask me as l thought he did a very reasonable there.:(:td:

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According to Opta, he has the lowest win percentage of any manager to take charge of 100+ Premier League games. 19.6%

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True but you tell me if Wolves will be better off without him.

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If they stay up, yes.

They have 1 win and 1 draw from their last 6 games and only 2 wins from their last 13 games. Thats relegation form.

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Dixons words last night on MOTD2 probably didnt help if his employers were watching.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17013512

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Reports that Rangers are about to go into Administration, ditto Portsmouth in a similar but unrelated tax case.

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http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-cen...dministration/

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Rangers should start of fresh and join the English league. They would have to start off at the bottom but they could make their way up.. with cuts here there and everywhere.

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But l think you will find that many people do not want them in the English leagues.

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Carry on in the mediocre Scottish leagues then

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Seems to be official now.

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Lawell talking out his hole as usual. Without a strong Rangers Scottish football would drop even further into the quagmire it is in.

So much for David Murray only selling Rangers to someone who had its best interests at heart. Whyte appears to be a total shyster who seems hellbent on asset stripping the club. :mad:

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Yes and there seems to be a few of those around at the moment.

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Are city seriously going to let Tevez play for them again? It must be highly embarrassing for the fans and Mancini if it's true...

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It beggars belief in my mind Shadow.:td::(

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Yeah true but their paying him 250k, their unlikely to get the fee wanted for him and they need goals.

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So if it was Arsenal instead of Man City you would take him back would you thenry.

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I'm not so sure Lawell is talking through his hole. Some people would pay to see Celtic play a Girl Guides 11, especially if they were guaranteed a win;)

I'd like to see a Scottish league without any of the old firm for a few seasons. It would be interesting to see how healthy crowds were if there were 3 or 4 teams challenging for the SPL.

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No

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Nice to know that your standards have not lowered.:D:tu:

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On the defeat in Munich; according to Tevez, Mancini treated him like a dog:Link

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McCarthy sacked by Wolves:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17012933

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Unlikely to get any fee at all if he hasn't played in 10% of their games by the end of the season...

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/281020...-transfer.html

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The Lazio case isn't really relevant. Tevez evidently froze himself out of the squad whereas with the Lazio case the president ordered he not be selected.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17025344

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-17026172

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17031609

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Didn't Mancini say in public he'd never play for them again, bet Pandev's case is very relevant in City's minds as the end of the season draws to a close as a rule was institued after that case saying players could leave on a free if they didn't play 10% of games IIRC.

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Yes but because Tevez didn't come on. He investigated the situation by refusing to play, which is a bad action for him to take and a breach of his contract. Pendev made a request to be transfered which, for some reason, enraged the President of Lazio who then ordered he not play or train with the first team.

I don't think a rule was added. That contract was nulled by a court ruling. It's very difficult to see a rule that allows you to leave for free if you play less than 10%, reverse team players and injured ones could be off quite easily...

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A couple of Europa Cup games on earlier, why is it that the English clubs play on Thursdays?

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I think its because English club players in the Europa league need there rest.

But there again at £90.000 per week they get tired counting there money, it takes a few days.:D

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The chap on Five Live the other night seemed quite sure but I'm not to keen or sure of anything on the Beeb regarding football at the mo after Shearer's "Hatam Ben Arfa we don't know anything about him" comment on Match of the Day not so long ago.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17041778

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Spineless and a disgrace to the Arsenal shirt.:td::td::td:

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AC Milan 2 Nobodys 0

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Rubbish first half, utter garbage. They look terrified.

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The trouble is apart from RVP the rest are players who can't hack it at the highest level and cannot defend either as well.

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Me thinks Arsenal won't even make Europe next season :D

COYS

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A utterly shocking performance against a average ageing side in my mind.

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Bye, Bye Arsenal, l have turned the game over as it is so poor of Arsenal, no passion.

Wenger should resign.

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Nearly as bad as the performance at Man Utd earlier in the season and there has to be some very very serious questions asked now.

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The confidence is shot. We have never recovered from the poorly managed window. Wenger said Arsenal need to make a profit of £15 - £20 million a year and I want to know why this is, are the board taking money out of the club? Granted we have to pay the stadium debt but that would be before profit anyway.

Need to get to the end of the season. Try and get top 4.

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Huddersfield sack Lee Clark.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17042572

WTF? The guy worked miracles, 43 games undefeated! :confused:

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Wenger said he must make a profit.. this is his and the boards agreement to move the club forward. by that i mean some form of foundation.. basically the bank balance.

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Something else is going on for the club to need to make £20 million profit, that basically means no big transfers or wages but we know they are doing well. No real debt, big stadium, one of the few clubs to be in such a position. Do they know something we don't?

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He blew the playoffs last year with shocking tactics. Plus the wage bill they have he should be walking that league.
Lot of draws in that unbeaten league run too - a lot from winning positions.

Rumours are he lost the dressing room. (Cliche Alert)

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the bedrock, foundation is all I can think of. i haven't managed to get my head around any other explanation to those comments. devalue in favour of Stan doesn't make sense... sponsorships may be? i haven't a clue.

Wengers in a big old mess though.. the payroll as you know is screwed. these comments confirmed he know hes in a mess and wanted to do business but couldn't.. well could but decided against it because he'd have to take off one of his love children from the list

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...oncerns-Wenger

Re: Football Season 2011/12
 

There are a lot of rumours that he is going to Leeds as well...