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TheDaddy 23-11-2022 01:38
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36140641)
Which Deity in particular? ;) However, you can't escape the truth ...
Course he can, head and sand same as David Davis earlier when he said brexit has delivered no economic benefits so far, completely ignoring the economic damage it's done, the other thing he ignored is the red tape, it was supposed to slashed but instead there's another layer of it that's costing our companies billions

1andrew1 23-11-2022 08:49
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36140640)
Please Lord, make it stop :zzz:
For the UK and the Conservative Party in particular, I don't think the debate about our relationship with the EU will ever stop, even if we rejoined! Cameron had hoped to settle the debate once and for all with the referendum but that was optimistic.

Kursk 23-11-2022 11:39
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36140644)
For the UK and the Conservative Party in particular, I don't think the debate about our relationship with the EU will ever stop, even if we rejoined! Cameron had hoped to settle the debate once and for all with the referendum but that was optimistic.
:sulk:

Paul 23-11-2022 13:35
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36140641)
Which Deity in particular? ;) However, you can't escape the truth ...
Its that the same 'truth' that said the vote would go the other way initially ?

ianch99 23-11-2022 22:36
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36140663)
Its that the same 'truth' that said the vote would go the other way initially ?
Not sure what you are on about. I am talking about what *has* happened, not what *will* happen

1andrew1 23-11-2022 23:07
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
The legacy of Rees-Mogg's BEIS reign hangs over British business like the darkest of clouds.
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Flagship UK ‘Brexit freedoms’ bill slammed as impact study ‘not fit for purpose’

Government’s own regulatory experts give ‘red’ warning over way cost to small businesses was assessed

Ministers were accused of failing to carry out a thorough assessment of the impact on small businesses of the bill, under which several thousand EU laws would automatically expire at the end of 2023 unless they had already been reviewed, amended, renewed or scrapped.

The bill was promoted by former business secretary Jacob Rees-Mogg as a means of cleansing the British statute book of unnecessary EU regulation but has turned into a bureaucratic nightmare in Whitehall, requiring hundreds of civil servants to sift through EU laws.

An impact assessment by Rees-Mogg’s former department was subject to a scathing analysis by the Regulatory Policy Committee, an advisory body sponsored by BEIS to consider the impact of regulation.

The RPC report, published on Monday, concluded bluntly that the BEIS assessment was “not fit for purpose”.

It said: “The department has not sufficiently considered, or sought to quantify, the full impacts of the bill. In addition, the impact assessment does not include a consideration of the impact on small and micro businesses consistent with better regulation.”

The report continues that BEIS had included a range of statistics in its report but that its impact assessment had “incorrectly interpreted” some of the figures relating to sectors of the economy where many smaller companies operate.

“The quality of different analytical areas in the impact assessment are all either weak or very weak, meaning that they provide inadequate support for decision-making,” the RPC said.

It also accused ministers of making policy in the dark: “We are not assured that the impact of changing or sunsetting each piece of REUL will be calculated or understood under proposals currently in place.”
https://www.ft.com/content/84e1f637-...6-22ed66277fb8

Chris 23-11-2022 23:18
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36140683)
The legacy of Rees-Mogg's BEIS reign hangs over British business like the darkest of clouds.

https://www.ft.com/content/84e1f637-...6-22ed66277fb8
Care to quantify that rather than sloganising?

1andrew1 23-11-2022 23:43
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36140684)
Care to quantify that rather than sloganising?
"not fit for purpose" quantifies the quality of the impact assessment. That's not sloganising, it's the reality of a poor piece of work.

Over 12 organisations have today written to Grant Shapps today setting out their concerns too. They range from the Institute of Directors through to the Trades Union Congress. A key concern is there is not enough time to review 4,000 pieces of regulation before the end of 2023 when they're removed thereby leading to regulatory black holes, breaching of international agreements and consequential fines.

jonbxx 24-11-2022 09:08
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36140687)
"not fit for purpose" quantifies the quality of the impact assessment. That's not sloganising, it's the reality of a poor piece of work.

Over 12 organisations have today written to Grant Shapps today setting out their concerns too. They range from the Institute of Directors through to the Trades Union Congress. A key concern is there is not enough time to review 4,000 pieces of regulation before the end of 2023 when they're removed thereby leading to regulatory black holes, breaching of international agreements and consequential fines.
I just checked out the report that FT article references - https://assets.publishing.service.go..._-_opinion.pdf It’s not pretty reading!

1andrew1 24-11-2022 09:50
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36140694)
I just checked out the report that FT article references - https://assets.publishing.service.go..._-_opinion.pdf It’s not pretty reading!
It's horrendous.

My concern is that it will end up like the mini budget - a chaotic mess that leaves the country worse off because it's been rushed through.

Pierre 26-11-2022 20:40
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I’ve just been on a business trip in which I visited the Netherlands, Germany and Spain. Entry and exit points being Germany and the Netherlands in which I had to go through passport control.

In both Instances I did not have to join a “not EU” line. I was directed through the EU passport line both times. The only difference being to EU passport holders I got a stamp. Extra time incurred …nil.

Just thought I’d throw that out there.

Sephiroth 26-11-2022 21:24
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
I like passport stamps. In the EU days, they didn't like doing them.

So I voted Leave!

Hugh 26-11-2022 22:14
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36140829)
I like passport stamps. In the EU days, they didn't like doing them.

So I voted Leave!
Sounds about right… ;)

Ms NTL 26-11-2022 22:17
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36140829)
I like passport stamps. In the EU days, they didn't like doing them.

So I voted Leave!
Me too. I always I ask the British passport control to stamp my British passport.
They do so, but the put (requested) below the stamp.
I voted remain. I have an EU passport too.

Sephiroth 26-11-2022 22:35
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36140831)
Me too. I always I ask the British passport control to stamp my British passport.
They do so, but the put (requested) below the stamp.
I voted remain. I have an EU passport too.
Now there you have it. The British would oblige, the foreigners wouldn’t. Irrespective of how one voted.



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