Cable Forum - Coronavirus

Even if it were as high as 5 per million you're not factoring in the likelihood of it happening within X (MHRA haven't gone public with this) days of vaccination among a subset vaccinated between the start of January and March 23 (or whatever the cutoff the MHRA still use).

The cohort size hasn't permanently been 18 million - it's rising over time so analysis is more complicated.

You're also conflating blood clots in general with the rare type being seen here. If there is evidence that, linked with the contraceptive pill or other medication, the risk is higher than a vaccination programme by consent has to be open and transparent about what the risks are. Not wrap them up in a Union Flag and blame the dastardly EU.

Taf	06-04-2021 16:47

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36076329)

30 cases out of 18million subjects is lower than what you expect in the general population.

A bit of lateral thinking: what if the vaccine is REDUCING the chance of a brain clot? The incidence has greatly reduced from what is normally seen.

:dunce:

jonbxx

06-04-2021 16:52

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Wow, had a quick look at the 'Yellow card' reporting for the COVID vaccines. It seems a LOT of people report side effects!

Have fun with the reports for Pfizer and AZ

Someone apparently vomited themselves to death after the AZ vaccine. Nasty (and NOT a definite link at this point)

Sephiroth

06-04-2021 17:05

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36076344)

Jon, Have the numbers been normalised? As it stands, I for one cannot judge the implications of the figures.

Carth

06-04-2021 17:42

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36076344)

Wow, had a quick look at the 'Yellow card' reporting for the COVID vaccines. It seems a LOT of people report side effects!

The problem also exists that if you give people a list of side effects they MAY experience, coupled with a website to report them at, you'll get quite a few that think they're doing the right thing by reporting something trivial that they forget they've had on numerous occasions before. ;)

Not saying there aren't problems, but . . .

jfman

06-04-2021 18:17

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36076308)

How quickly will AstraZeneca become a Swedish company if the vaccine is restricted. Much like Andy Murray is Scottish when he loses and British when he wins

I stand corrected.

Twitter informs me The Guardian have already moved from “the Oxford vaccine” to “the AstraZeneca vaccine” for bad news stories. :D

1andrew1

06-04-2021 19:58

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Oxford-AstraZeneca child trial placed on hold

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A trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine on children has stopped giving out jabs while the UK's medicines regulator investigates a possible link with rare blood clots in adults.

Prof Andrew Pollard from the University of Oxford told the BBC there were no safety concerns with the trial itself, but its scientists were waiting for further information.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Carth

06-04-2021 21:31

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Does all this mean that instead of having a vaccination passport to fly abroad, you now have to prove you haven't been vaccinated instead?

Can't be having the problem of blood clots when you're flying around, especially if you're a little on the tall side ;)

jonbxx

07-04-2021 09:16

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36076345)

Jon, Have the numbers been normalised? As it stands, I for one cannot judge the implications of the figures.

Nope, that's raw data. Yellow Card reporting is unfiltered as anyone can drop in a report here. I remember some time back when you were discussing flu vaccine side effects and I recommended dropping a Yellow Card report in.

Here are the words from the MHRA with the important bits highlighted;

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Part of our monitoring role includes reviewing reports of suspected side effects. Any member of the public or health professional can submit suspected side effects through the Yellow Card scheme. The nature of Yellow Card reporting means that reported events are not always proven side effects. Some events may have happened anyway, regardless of vaccination. This is particularly the case when millions of people are vaccinated, and especially when most vaccines are being given to the most elderly people and people who have underlying illness.

Just idly scrolling through the Pfizer list and there are some good ones in there. People reported the following as vaccine side effects;

6 electric shocks
1 crushed face
3 sunburn cases
39 negative COVID tests (oh no!)
1 bitten tongue
1 case of laziness
1 case of low income and 1 case of high income

We want to encourage side effect reporting, even for issues that wouldn't result in a doctor or hospital visit but some of the side effects reported are a stretch!

Chris

07-04-2021 09:23

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I think our society lost something when we stopped recording things like “simpleton” on the national census.

Maggy

07-04-2021 09:38

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Or cretin.

Jaymoss

07-04-2021 10:15

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yeah lets go back to when then hung thieves and debtors too

joglynne

07-04-2021 11:02

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Coronavirus LIVE updates as Moderna vaccine rollout begins in UK and AstraZeneca children's trial paused

The third vaccine approved for use in the UK has begun its rollout today (Wednesday).

People in Wales will begin to receive the Moderna vaccine, starting at West Wales General Hospital in Carmarthen.

The UK has bought 17 million doses of that vaccine – enough for 8.5 million people - and it has been hailed as 'another key milestone' in the fight against coronavirus.

snip ... It comes as a trial of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine in children has been paused while regulators investigate reports of a rare form of blood clot among adults.

Regulators at the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) are investigating a potential association between the jab and a rare form of blood clot.

A spokesperson from the university said in a statement: "Whilst there are no safety concerns in the paediatric clinical trial, we await additional information from the MHRA on its review of rare cases of thrombosis/thrombocytopaenia that have been reported in adults, before giving any further vaccinations in the trial.

"Parents and children should continue to attend all scheduled visits and can contact the trial sites if they have any questions."

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...1-6a3f1dc60640

Sephiroth

07-04-2021 12:08

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36076363)

yeah lets go back to when then hung thieves and debtors too

What about vaccinated persistent Remainers?

Jaymoss

07-04-2021 12:11

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