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He also argued against the government's decision to trigger the Article 50 notification to leave the EU so soon after the 2016 referendum, calling it an "historic unforgivable blunder".

In 2017, he branded then Brexit secretary David Davis "thick as mince, lazy as a toad, and vain as Narcissus".

https://news.sky.com/story/dominic-c...bered-12130906

Hugh	13-11-2020 10:26

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057856)

Ha ha.

Despite his many failings, he got a couple of things right:

https://news.sky.com/story/dominic-c...bered-12130906

Dom leaving Downing Street Christmas Eve...

https://i.makeagif.com/save/H6hm_g

jfman

13-11-2020 10:44

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There’s some signs the summer flirtation with separatism is fading ... Yougov gave yes 51% this morning, down 2 on their previous. Rallying round the flag lasted longer in Scotland than in England but perhaps lockdown 2 is concentrating the minds a bit.

It'll be through the roof after the Serbia game.

Chris

13-11-2020 11:14

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1andrew1

13-11-2020 11:44

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Bit of a lack of self-awareness going on here! :dunce:

China is breaking Hong Kong treaty with UK, says Dominic Raab

pip08456

13-11-2020 12:14

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057872)

Bit of a lack of self-awareness going on here! :dunce:

China is breaking Hong Kong treaty with UK, says Dominic Raab

Really? Where have we actually broken a treaty?

Dave42

13-11-2020 12:45

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36057880)

Really? Where have we actually broken a treaty?

EM the EU treaty for a start if the EU tried changing it you would never ever stop complaining about it and i would agree if they did but because it uk doing it all is great right

pip08456

13-11-2020 13:07

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36057890)

EM the EU treaty for a start if the EU tried changing it you would never ever stop complaining about it and i would agree if they did but because it uk doing it all is great right

Which EU treaty has the UK broken?

BenMcr

13-11-2020 13:50

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36057896)

Which EU treaty has the UK broken?

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...-agreement-act

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The UK needed a bill to implement the Withdrawal Agreement, which is the legally binding treaty setting out the negotiated terms of the UK’s departure from the EU.

The NI protocol is in the Withdrawal Agreement and the Internal Market Bill is changing it by unilateral action.

1andrew1

13-11-2020 14:19

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36057896)

Which EU treaty has the UK broken?

Nice try. I've not said we have yet.

The proposed Internal Market Bill enables this to happen which undermines any attack the UK makes on China for breaking a treaty wth the UK.

pip08456

13-11-2020 14:30

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36057900)

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...-agreement-act

The NI protocol is in the Withdrawal Agreement and the Internal Market Bill is changing it by unilateral action.

The treaty is not broken until the action has been taken. To date no action has been taken so no treaty broken.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057902)

Nice try. I've not said we have yet.

The proposed Internal Market Bill enables this to happen which undermines any attack the UK makes on China for breaking a treaty wth the UK.

As I was quoting someone else that reply was obviously aimed at you.

1andrew1

13-11-2020 14:47

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36057905)

The treaty is not broken until the action has been taken. To date no action has been taken so no treaty broken.

---------- Post added at 14:30 ---------- Previous post was at 14:27 ----------

As I was quoting someone else that reply was obviously aimed at you.

This is your reply to me:

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36057880)

Really? Where have we actually broken a treaty?

My response is:
Nice try. I've not said we have yet.

The proposed Internal Market Bill enables this to happen which undermines any attack the UK makes on China for breaking a treaty with the UK.

Sephiroth

13-11-2020 15:41

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057908)

<snip>

The proposed Internal Market Bill enables this to happen which undermines any attack the UK makes on China for breaking a treaty with the UK.

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In theory, if the Lords disagreed fundamentally with a bill, it could deliberately cause it to be lost by insisting on an amendment until a stalemate was reached or ‘double insistence’ took place. In this unlikely circumstance, the Government could use the Parliament Act (passed in 1911, updated in 1949) to pass the bill in the following session.

Resorting to the Parliament Act would delay the passage of the legislation, therefore the Government normally works with the Lords to find compromises where there are disagreements.

I suspect the government deliberately deployed this foil in full knowledge of what the Lords would do. A bluff, in other words and a very bad one at that.

1andrew1

13-11-2020 15:49

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36057915)

You are right, of course, to the extent of the way much of the rest of the world will see matters.

However, the ill-timed move by the government isn't likely to become law for a long time if I've understood the Commons/Lords ping-pong process.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...tary-ping-pong

I suspect the government deliberately deployed this foil in full knowledge of what the Lords would do. A bluff, in other words and a very bad one at that.

I find myself in agreement.

AS an aside, I'm a bit more hopeful about the governance of the country following the recent departures in BoJo's team. It's been a rocky term so far with a lowlight being Cummings' press conference in the No 10 Rose Garden but hopefully BoJo can get a better administration in place for 2021.

papa smurf

13-11-2020 15:52

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057917)

I understand Dom has left instructions for the next 2 years

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