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But he isn't dealing with 2 huge problems requiring immediate attention where there isn't consensus on how to proceed either in parliament nor the wider population.

Boris is trying to herd feral cats while blindfolded, one arm tied behind his back and a pack of dogs running around lose trying to excite things up.

None of that is reason to not permit a previous Prime Ministers to speak his mind.

And Boris chose to have two problems to deal with - I've consistently said he should have had requested a one-year extension to Brexit for this very reason.

heero_yuy

12-11-2020 11:27

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

You know he's talking piffle when even Cameron attacks him:

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Quote from The Sun:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1562846859

Tory MPs lashed out at Sir John and branded him a "second rate PM" for claiming the UK will "never again" be seen as having a forceful presence on the global stage.

The gloomy ex-premier claimed Brits cannot "console" themselves by claiming "we punch above our weight" on the world stage.

And he said the UK's "heft international influence" was buoyed up by being a member of the European Union and having close ties with the US.

But today Mr Cameron joined in a thinly-veiled attack on the ex-premier, saying people should not underestimate the strength we have.

Speaking to Radio 4's Today programme he said: "Looking to the future, while we should never overestimate what Britain is today, we shouldn't underestimate it."

He went on to list how Britain has the biggest defence and aid budgets in Europe, and one of the most capable diplomatic services.

Our "extraordinarily competant" special services and special forces put us on the world stage and we can "bring to bear in our relationship with the US".

1andrew1

12-11-2020 11:59

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36057730)

You know he's talking piffle when even Cameron attacks him:

I'm not sure David the Shed Cameron was a better Prime Minister than John Major.

pip08456

12-11-2020 13:58

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057732)

I'm not sure David the Shed Cameron was a better Prime Minister than John Major.

He could't have been any worse. Only May managed that.

Hugh	12-11-2020 14:39

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36057725)

tbf, he let the cats loose, put the blindfold on himself, and insisted that it was tied really tightly, whilst having tied a pack of sausages to his belt... ;)

Sephiroth

12-11-2020 14:50

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057732)

I'm not sure David the Shed Cameron was a better Prime Minister than John Major.

Cameron was an excellent PM. Only his desire to remain at the big EU table rather than embrace the Brexit Referendum result marred his record.

1andrew1

12-11-2020 15:17

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

Seems a bit of a mess.

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Lisa O'Carroll Here's the letter from Peter McSwinney just cited by Newsnight telling HMRC that Brexit customs system not ready and trade could be paralysed.
House of Lords heard same two days ago. Witnesses said system was not reliable, not ready
HMRC denied it all...

https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/sta...744192/photo/2

pip08456

12-11-2020 15:49

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057752)

Seems a bit of a mess.

https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/sta...744192/photo/2

Nice try Andrew. The letter also states there is a viable alternative which is currently in use.

Mad Max

12-11-2020 15:52

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057752)

Seems a bit of a mess.

https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/sta...744192/photo/2

Always on the lookout for the positives, Andrew. ;)

1andrew1

12-11-2020 16:07

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36057753)

Nice try Andrew. The letter also states there is a viable alternative which is currently in use.

Start looking at it? Only a few weeks to go.

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36057754)

Always on the lookout for the positives, Andrew. ;)

Please do list them.

The only one I've heard is that Scotland will be likely to gain its independence, although it's not something I'm particularly keen on.

Chris

12-11-2020 16:19

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

There’s some signs the summer flirtation with separatism is fading ... Yougov gave yes 51% this morning, down 2 on their previous. Rallying round the flag lasted longer in Scotland than in England but perhaps lockdown 2 is concentrating the minds a bit.

1andrew1

12-11-2020 18:20

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36057759)

I suspect that once we start to enjoy the fruits of Brexit, that figure will alter. ;)

Chris

12-11-2020 19:18

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057772)

I suspect that once we start to enjoy the fruits of Brexit, that figure will alter. ;)

Much depends on what the fruits look like ;)

I agree if things look messy for a couple of months early next year then that figure might rise again.

Conversely, however, if Brexit post transition is difficult it will seriously dent separatist claims that breaking the union would be easy (as Alex Salmond implausibly suggested in 2014).

But we digress.

1andrew1

12-11-2020 19:39

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

Looks like the Vote Leave gang in the government won't be left for too long.

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Boris Johnson’s decision to break the stranglehold of pro-Brexit campaigners on Downing Street is set to trigger a new year exodus of advisers, including his most senior aide Dominic Cummings, according to senior officials.

The prime minister’s refusal at a tense one-to-one meeting to make Vote Leave veteran Lee Cain his chief of staff was seen by Tory MPs as a watershed moment. Mr Cain announced his resignation shortly afterwards.

Mr Cummings and other Vote Leave officials are now discussing leaving Number 10, possibly once Britain finally breaks its formal ties with the EU at the end of the Brexit transition period on January 1.

Asked whether the “gang” was breaking up, one adviser said: “It very much feels that way. There are a lot of very unhappy people. It’s a big mess.” Asked if Mr Cummings would leave too, a friend said: “I think so.”

https://www.ft.com/content/de6cd591-...f-c44eea37e1aa