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alwaysabear 29-08-2018 10:32
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As we have discussed previously can we really be surprised at poor live streaming? Streaming Companies still have an awful lot of work to bring their services up to the standard of broadcast TV.

denphone 29-08-2018 10:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35961618)
So all those people complaining about poor picture quality have poor broadband I seriously doubt that.

I certainly don't have poor broadband and noticed poor picture quality on several devices.
Our broadband is generally of a decent quality but the PQ was not.

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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35961620)
As we have discussed previously can we really be surprised at poor live streaming? Streaming Companies still have an awful lot of work to bring their services up to the standard of broadcast TV.
If ever it is up to the standard of broadcast TV.

alwaysabear 29-08-2018 10:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35961621)
Our broadband is generally of a decent quality but the PQ was not.

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If ever it is up to the standard of broadcast TV.
I was referring particularly to live streaming. I have Netflix and Amazon and generally they run fine for recorded programming.
For me its about the capacity to stream live content that these Companies don't seem prepared to pay for.

warrenb 29-08-2018 11:10
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I watched it yesterday and thought the picture was just fine

denphone 29-08-2018 11:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35961624)
I was referring particularly to live streaming. I have Netflix and Amazon and generally they run fine for recorded programming.
For me its about the capacity to stream live content that these Companies don't seem prepared to pay for.
That is what l am referring to as well although l should have made myself clearer..

muppetman11 29-08-2018 11:23
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Originally Posted by warrenb (Post 35961625)
I watched it yesterday and thought the picture was just fine
Many have said there was a slight improvement on yesterday's coverage , it's more a frame rate issue and picture issues with fast action.

ozsat 29-08-2018 12:01
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I have 360Mpbs here using same kit.

It is not the definition being discussed - but the wrong frame rate for sports mainly.
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Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35961612)
I have to say that I watched Andy and the picture was perfect. Prime Video app on Panasonic 4K TV with 5GHz WiFi.
Anyone with poor picture quality is likely a broadband issue, not a ‘broadcast’ issue.
Only issue I had was the camera position which was very high up on Louis Armstrong court.
We’ll see if this is improved on Arthur Ashe court today.

muppetman11 29-08-2018 12:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35961620)
As we have discussed previously can we really be surprised at poor live streaming? Streaming Companies still have an awful lot of work to bring their services up to the standard of broadcast TV.
Have you ever seen MLBTV ? There service is pretty good it's done by Bamtech who Disney have a 75% stake in.

To be clear I'm not saying better than broadcast but pretty good quality.

alwaysabear 29-08-2018 13:06
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35961639)
Have you ever seen MLBTV ? There service is pretty good it's done by Bamtech who Disney have a 75% stake in.

To be clear I'm not saying better than broadcast but pretty good quality.
Yes I have and I agree, but not regularly. NFL gamepass is great quality when it works.

heero_yuy 29-08-2018 13:30
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I would expect that the differences people are experiencing in PQ are down to local network loading on the CDN's* rather than an individual's actual connection speed. If a particular CDN has a lot of connections all demanding high bit rates it simply cannot keep up so the bit rate falls resulting in blocky artifacts when the scene moves fast especially when panning.


*Content Delivery Node. A local server that buffers the main stream.

alwaysabear 29-08-2018 13:33
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35961642)
I would expect that the differences people are experiencing in PQ are down to local network loading on the CDN's* rather than an individual's actual connection speed. If a particular CDN has a lot of connections all demanding high bit rates it simply cannot keep up so the bit rate falls resulting in blocky artifacts when the scene moves fast especially when panning.


*Content Delivery Node. A local server that buffers the main stream.
So is this due to your broadband provider not having sufficient server capacity or the streamer Company?

heero_yuy 29-08-2018 14:17
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I would think it's down to the ISP struggling to keep up with increasing demand.

Normally the CDN's are only handling relatively small amounts of data for each client and delays in feeding that data are relatively benign in effect. Youtube buffering for example.

Suddenly having to supply high density data streams on many connections in real time just maxes them out.

The source only has to provide a single or very limited number of streams which are then distributed within the ISPs network

Unlike cable/sat/freeview TV where there is a one-way data stream that is the same for all users. Streaming is an interractive process between CDN and client with each client having a bespoke stream.

alwaysabear 29-08-2018 16:19
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35961648)
I would think it's down to the ISP struggling to keep up with increasing demand.

Normally the CDN's are only handling relatively small amounts of data for each client and delays in feeding that data are relatively benign in effect. Youtube buffering for example.

Suddenly having to supply high density data streams on many connections in real time just maxes them out.

The source only has to provide a single or very limited number of streams which are then distributed within the ISPs network

Unlike cable/sat/freeview TV where there is a one-way data stream that is the same for all users. Streaming is an interractive process between CDN and client with each client having a bespoke stream.
Thank you.

nashville 29-08-2018 16:42
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I watched, House of Cards and really enjoyed it, I loved Nashville too

Raider999 29-08-2018 20:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35961604)
The quality is what you would expect from a dodgy internet stream - the same as the new Sky Sports EFL midweek service.

Dispite people expecting better quality like UHD - perhaps this is the future of sport?

No one is going to subscribe to a sub-standard streaming service - at least the effluent midweek on sky is free.


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