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Carth 03-11-2020 10:41
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36055992)
Will the EU still exist then?
Probably, but it won't be called that anymore . . . and the uniforms will be different . . and everyone will carry guns and wear body armour . . and they won't eat fish :p:

OLD BOY 03-11-2020 11:53
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36055976)
Hang on there as l was thinking 2025.;)
Yeah, well you are fond of misremembering! ;)

Sephiroth 03-11-2020 12:14
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36056021)
Probably, but it won't be called that anymore . . . and the uniforms will be different . . and everyone will carry guns and wear body armour . . and they won't eat fish :p:
You da man!

1andrew1 03-11-2020 12:46
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A daft idea, trying to manage both at the same time. the Government should have postponed Brexit for a year whilst it had the chance. :dunce:
Quote:
UK will struggle to deal with Brexit alongside Covid, says thinktank

Devolved administrations, local authorities and businesses risk being overwhelmed by Brexit implementation on 1 January, unable to deal with it alongside the urgent demands of the second wave of Covid-19, an influential thinktank has said.

Local councils, trading standards officers and port health authorities are all part of the Brexit operation but may find themselves stretched because of the resurgence of the virus, the Institute for Government said.

“The pandemic will make these plans harder. For example, critical staff may fall ill or need to isolate and resources may well be redirected to the pandemic response.

“And although central government has managed to shift resources back to Brexit preparations after they were redeployed to help with the pandemic earlier this year, there is less capacity among the devolved governments and local authorities to handle both,” says report titled Brexit: How Ready is the UK?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ays-thinktanks

Chris 03-11-2020 12:53
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36056030)
A daft idea, trying to manage both at the same time. the Government should have postponed Brexit for a year whilst it had the chance. :dunce:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ays-thinktanks
The IfG is stuffed with Remainers and bankrolled by Lord Sainsbury, whose views on Brexit are very clear. They're entitled to their view but they're far from impartial on this subject, especially when it comes to making arguments that just so happen to involve delaying Brexit.

jfman 03-11-2020 12:58
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36056031)
The IfG is stuffed with Remainers and bankrolled by Lord Sainsbury, whose views on Brexit are very clear. They're entitled to their view but they're far from impartial on this subject, especially when it comes to making arguments that just so happen to involve delaying Brexit.
It’s important to note we’ve left the EU. Brexit has happened.

The transition period isn’t a vehicle to remain. Especially not in this Parliament.

Chris 03-11-2020 13:04
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36056032)
It’s important to note we’ve left the EU. Brexit has happened.

The transition period isn’t a vehicle to remain. Especially not in this Parliament.
Granted, we've left the EU. Extending the transition period, however, is attractive to the continuity remain campaign because it kicks the can down the road. Things are about as bad as they could possibly be, from their point of view, so any delay, with the mere possibility of something useful showing up, is as good a strategy as any.

1andrew1 03-11-2020 13:07
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36056031)
The IfG is stuffed with Remainers and bankrolled by Lord Sainsbury, whose views on Brexit are very clear. They're entitled to their view but they're far from impartial on this subject, especially when it comes to making arguments that just so happen to involve delaying Brexit.
If it was a pro-Remain report it would want January 1 to go as badly as possible and they could have proclaimed "Told you so". By suggesting a means to make the change more painless suggests a degree of objectivity.

jfman 03-11-2020 13:08
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36056034)
Granted, we've left the EU. Extending the transition period, however, is attractive to the continuity remain campaign because it kicks the can down the road. Things are about as bad as they could possibly be, from their point of view, so any delay, with the mere possibility of something useful showing up, is as good a strategy as any.
However the transition period can’t be extended forever. It has an ultimate end date. There’s no end game for the ‘continuity remain’ types utilising this so it shouldn’t really be viewed through that prism. Or at least the idea of extension shouldn’t be dismissed on that basis.

1andrew1 03-11-2020 13:55
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36056036)
However the transition period can’t be extended forever. It has an ultimate end date. There’s no end game for the ‘continuity remain’ types utilising this so it shouldn’t really be viewed through that prism. Or at least the idea of extension shouldn’t be dismissed on that basis.
They may inhabit a dusty corner of Twitter but I don't think there is continuity-remain element of any scale.

Sephiroth 03-11-2020 13:56
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36056030)
A daft idea, trying to manage both at the same time. the Government should have postponed Brexit for a year whilst it had the chance. :dunce:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ays-thinktanks
When you combine Andrew with The Grauniad, you get the perfect Remainers' whinge.

1andrew1 03-11-2020 14:06
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36056044)
When you combine Andrew with The Grauniad, you get the perfect Remainers' whinge.
Sensible pragmatism over ideology.

OLD BOY 03-11-2020 14:11
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36056035)
If it was a pro-Remain report it would want January 1 to go as badly as possible and they could have proclaimed "Told you so". By suggesting a means to make the change more painless suggests a degree of objectivity.
Very clever, Andrew, but we sussed the game you are playing sometime back now.

Any old excuse to delay our freedom which increases the scope to reverse everything.

The end of the transitional period will not be extended. We can be sure of that at least.

jfman 03-11-2020 14:21
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36056047)
Very clever, Andrew, but we sussed the game you are playing sometime back now.

Any old excuse to delay our freedom which increases the scope to reverse everything.

The end of the transitional period will not be extended. We can be sure of that at least.
It may well not be, but if Biden wins overnight it leaves the UK scratching around with no major trade deals. The groundwork for which could be laid over the next 12 months. We can decide that as a free and sovereign nation.

Sephiroth 03-11-2020 14:25
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36056049)
It may well not be, but if Biden wins overnight it leaves the UK scratching around with no major trade deals. The groundwork for which could be laid over the next 12 months. We can decide that as a free and sovereign nation.
As I've said before, we trade OK with the US now and it's no disaster if we don't get a formal agreement with them.


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