Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

No, we don’t - we have Memorandums of Understanding with seven States, and as was previously stated

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=5804

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

OK, memoranda of understanding, then! :rolleyes:

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

There’s a very important difference - Trade Deals are contractual arrangement between states concerning their trade relationships, whilst an MoU is a non-binding agreement between parties, typically to outline their intentions, goals, and potential areas of cooperation.

One is legally binding, the other isn’t…

The seven States don’t have any Trade Deals with the U.K. as only Congress can legally do this.

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

I know. It was a work around as Biden was not interested in full blown trade deals.

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

It's not "a work around" if it isn't signed off trade deal, it's a piece of paper full of good intentions that cannot be fulfilled as only Congress can sign off Trade Deals with other countries.

In case you have forgotten, you posted

We don't...

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

Correct, individual States in the US do not have the power to conduct trade deals with other countries, that being a prerogative of Congress. At best a State might have some negotiate some arrangement to remove some ‘red tape, work towards improving communication etc. But that’s it.

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

Jeez! Your pedantic ways are getting worse by the day!

If the memoranda of understanding results in increased trade, it is a trade deal, but not the type of trade deal we’ve negotiated with India, etc. That’s as I see it, anyhow.

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

In other words you prefer to re-imagine what things mean so that they mean what you think.

That’s not how language works, sorry. Humans are able to communicate using language because language has agreed definitions of terms. ‘Trade deal’ and ‘memorandum of understanding’ are entirely different things. The former creates a set of rules. The latter expresses a set of wishes and aspirations. The former is enforceable. The latter is not even intended to be enforced.

A memorandum of understanding does not magically become a trade deal when the parties to it choose to honour each other’s wishes, any more than your mum’s Corsa becomes a McLaren F1 just because you took it on a track day at Silverstone.

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

I don’t indulge in pedantry, Chris. You just love this, don’t you?

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

What you indulge in is speaking authoritatively on matters you don’t understand, then trying to wriggle off the hook when you get called out.

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

No, its a "memoranda of understanding".
If it were a Trade Deal, then it would be called a "Trade Deal". :dozey:

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

:tu:

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

Back to Reform UK.

In Scotland, Reform UK today welcomed two defecting councillors. One ex Conservative in the morning and one ex Labour in the afternoon.
https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottis...s-to-reform-uk

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

i can understand a conservative defecting but what has reform got in common with labour values

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 

It’s a deal, and it relates to trade.

I am not disputing that it’s nowhere near the full blown trade deal that the Conservatives had drafted while Trump was President previously.

---------- Post added at 19:38 ---------- Previous post was at 19:34 ----------

Reform UK have supported nationalisation, abolishing the two-child cap, and restoring the winter fuel payments for a start. Plus, Reform UK have not only made the Conservatives nervous, but Labour and the SNP too.

You will find a lot more defections to Reform UK over the next four years.