Re: Climate Change
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Originally Posted by Pierre
(Post 36158521)
“Scientific consensus? There is no consensus, there very rarely is in “science”. Because unlike many people on this forum, scientists know they don’t know everything and that there’s a better than average chance they’re wrong.
I also don’t disregard anything. I just seek as much information as I can, from as many sources as I can, and then form my own opinion.
As opposed to having my opinion given to me.
Well you’ll have to tell me exactly what the “consensus” is?
If you mean, is the climate changing? I’ve never disputed that.
If it’s more than that, then tell me what it is.
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It is strange that when you assert that there is no consensus, I have to do the work to prove there is. Anyway, here goes:
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
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It’s important to remember that scientists always focus on the evidence, not on opinions. Scientific evidence continues to show that human activities (primarily the human burning of fossil fuels) have warmed Earth’s surface and its ocean basins, which in turn have continued to impact Earth’s climate. This is based on over a century of scientific evidence forming the structural backbone of today's civilization.
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https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-s...limate-change/
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Do scientists agree on climate change?
Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the leading science organizations around the world have issued public statements expressing this, including international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scient...climate_change
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There is a strong scientific consensus that the Earth is warming and that this warming is mainly caused by human activities. This consensus is supported by various studies of scientists' opinions and by position statements of scientific organizations, many of which explicitly agree with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) synthesis reports.
Nearly all actively publishing climate scientists say humans are causing climate change. Surveys of the scientific literature are another way to measure scientific consensus. A 2019 review of scientific papers found the consensus on the cause of climate change to be at 100%, and a 2021 study concluded that over 99% of scientific papers agree on the human cause of climate change. The small percentage of papers that disagreed with the consensus often contain errors or cannot be replicated
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https://iopscience.iop.org/article/1...48-9326/ac2966
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Greater than 99% consensus on human caused climate change in the peer-reviewed scientific literature
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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10....70467619886266
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The consensus among research scientists on anthropogenic global warming has grown to 100%, based on a review of 11,602 peer-reviewed articles on “climate change” and “global warming” published in the first 7 months of 2019.
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https://news.cnrs.fr/articles/long-s...global-warming
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Long-standing consensus on the human origin of global warming
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https://bonpote.com/en/did-the-scien...nge-reach-100/
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In 2004, Naomi Oreskes was the first to quantify the consensus on anthropogenic global warming. She analyzed 928 scientific articles on global climate change, and not a single peer-reviewed publication rejected the consensus of human-caused global warming.
Subsequent studies have since then confirmed this consensus. To get a sense of the exact percentage of scientists who acknowledge anthropogenic global warming, John Cook conducted a meta-analysis in 2016 and came to the following conclusion: the expert consensus oscillates between 90 and 100%, with most studies finding 97% consensus.
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https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2...ctivities.html
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A 2021 survey published in the peer-reviewed publication Environmental Research Letters surveyed more than 88,125 climate-related studies published between 2012 and 2020. The study authors found that more than 99.9 percent of peer-reviewed scientific papers agreed that climate change is caused by humans. (This updated a 2013 figure that found 97 percent of studies between 1991 and 2012 supported human-caused climate change.)
The Union of Concerned Scientists, a U.S.-based scientific nonprofit advocacy group, wrote in 2017 that scientists agree that global warming is occurring and humans are the primary cause.
In 2009, 18 U.S. scientific associations reaffirmed their position supporting climate change in a letter sent to legislatures, writing that, "Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver."
Other scientific institutions that have published statements supporting human-related climate change and the years they were published include the following:
American Association for the Advancement of Science (2014): "Based on well-established evidence, about 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening."
American Chemical Society (2016-19): "The Earth's climate is changing in response to increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases (GHGs) and particulate matter in the atmosphere, and human activity is the primary cause.
American Geophysical Union (2019): "Based on extensive scientific evidence, it is extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. There is no alterative explanation supported by convincing evidence."
American Medical Association (2022): "Our AMA ... Supports scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant. These climate changes have adversely affected the physical and mental health of people. "
American Meteorological Society (2019): "Research has found a human influence on the climate of the past several decades. Its manifestation includes the warming of the atmosphere and oceans, intensification of the heaviest precipitation over continental areas, increasing upper-ocean acidity, increasing frequency and intensity of daily temperature extremes, reductions in Northern Hemisphere snow and ice, and rising global sea level."
American Physical Society (2021): "Earth's climate is changing. This critical issue poses the risk of significant environmental, social and economic disruptions around the globe. Multiple lines of evidence strongly support the finding that anthropogenic greenhouse gases have become the dominant driver of global climate warming observed since the mid-twentieth century."
The Geological Society of America (GSA) (2022): "GSA's position statement on climate change recognizes that 'human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas emissions) are the dominant cause of rapid warming since the middle 1900s' and 'addressing the challenges posed by climate change will require a combination of adaptation to the changes that are likely to occur and mitigation of future impacts through global reductions of CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions from anthropogenic sources.'"
The U.S. National Academy of Sciences: "Climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for a broad range of human and natural systems. Human activities largely determine the evolution of the Earth's climate, which not only impact the next few decades, but the coming centuries and millennia."
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At this point, I got bored.
However, I did find some interesting articles on Climate Change Denial:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial
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Climate change denial or global warming denial is dismissal or unwarranted doubt that contradicts the scientific consensus on climate change.
Those promoting denial commonly use rhetorical tactics to give the appearance of a scientific controversy where there is none.
Climate change denial includes doubts to the extent of how much climate change is caused by humans, its effects on nature and human society, and the potential of adaptation to global warming by human actions. To a lesser extent, climate change denial can also be implicit when people accept the science but fail to reconcile it with their belief or action. Several social science studies have analyzed these positions as forms of denialism, pseudoscience, or propaganda.
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https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...mate-emergency
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A document claiming that 'there is no climate emergency' has been circulating on social media.
The two main Dutch actors behind the declaration are Guus Berkhout, a retired geophysicist who has worked for oil giant Shell, and journalist Marcel Crok.
Both have been accused of receiving money from fossil fuel companies to finance their climate-sceptic work. They deny the allegations,
When looking closer at the list of signatories, there are precisely 1,107, including six people who are dead. Less than 1% of the names listed describe themselves as climatologists or climate scientists.
Eight of the signatories are former or current employees of the oil giant Shell, while many other names have links to mining companies.
One of the signatories is Ivar Giaever, a joint winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1973 for work on superconductors. However, he has never published any work on climate science.
According to an independent 2019 count of the declaration's signatories, 21% were engineers, many linked to the fossil fuel industry. Others were lobbyists, and some even worked as fishermen or airline pilots.
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Originally Posted by Pierre
(Post 36158521)
Absolutely it is, and when you have to pay £12,000 for heat pump equipment that doesn’t heat your house properly and change all your radiators, and probably have spend a further few grand to insulate your house, when you’re paying more than you’re paying now for your energy. When you have to pay £15 a day to drive out the street you live in, when your summer holiday is prohibitively expensive. I could go on and on.
Or maybe you’re so fabulously wealthy non of this matter to you.
But do you know who it does matter to?
All the parts of the world in my previous post, who don’t give a toss what you think, they’ll burn their coal, use their oil, burn their gas and will use their internal combustion engines. Because it’s cheap.
So can have a cheap dig me, my pleasure. But it doesn’t matter what I think. Or what you think.
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So for you, yes it just about the money. Not a problem if this was just you but we have people who think like you, who will stop or slow down the changes needed to mitigate Climate Change. You, and people like you, will be the reason why change will not be achieved in time. |
