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Re: Brexit (New).

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35988210)

Theresa May could drop vote on Brexit deal if it lacks support

Theresa May has indicated she may not bring her deal back to parliament for a third vote if there is not enough support for it.

In a letter to her fellow parliamentarians, she wrote: "If it appears that there is not sufficient support to bring the deal back next week, or the House rejects it again, we can ask for another extension before 12 April."

She also extended an offer to MPs to speak to her directly if they wish to in order to help them reach a decision.

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...pport-11672888

I thought that the speaker had said that she couldn't bring it back for a third time anyway, so I don't understand why she's talking as though she has a choice in the matter :confused:

Re: Brexit (New).

The speaker said he would not allow a third "meaningful vote" in the coming days on "substantially the same" motion as MPs have already rejected.

Re: Brexit (New).

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35988248)

America is already our biggest single trading partner, what exactly will we be selling them post leaving?

The NHS? ;)

Re: Brexit (New).

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35988257)

The NHS? ;)

This is what terrifies me most.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35988254)

I thought that the speaker had said that she couldn't bring it back for a third time anyway, so I don't understand why she's talking as though she has a choice in the matter :confused:

If a majority in parliament want's to vote on it he can't stop them.
any how it only needs rewording to meet the criteria.

Re: Brexit (New).

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35988266)

If a majority in parliament want's to vote on it he can't stop them.
any how it only needs rewording to meet the criteria.

Just re-wording it won’t work (or changing the font size or type)

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“If the government was to bring forward a new proposition that is neither the same, nor substantially the same as disposed of by 12 March, this would be entirely in order,” he said, but added that it could not be “the same proposition or substantially the same proposition”.

In a response to a point of order by the chair of the Brexit select committee, Hilary Benn, Bercow said a “demonstrable change to the proposition would be desired … a change in opinion about something does not in itself constitute a change of the offer”.

He said the change must make the deal “fundamentally different”, rather than just a unilateral reinterpretation.

“Not different in terms of wording, but different in terms of substance,” he said. “This is in the context of a negotiation with others, outside the United Kingdom. That would be my initial feeling.”

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Sky news reporting Tm might have MV week after next [last minute try]

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Petition to revoke Article 50 hits 4m mark.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Why bots probably aren't gaming the petition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47668946

Re: Brexit (New).

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35988282)

Petition to revoke Article 50 hits 4m mark.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Why bots probably aren't gaming the petition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47668946

Some interesting facts here
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...rch-2019-uk-eu

Re: Brexit (New).

Quotes taken from the second link (by Andrew)

The BBC spoke to three cyber-security experts about how likely it is that a number of the 3m signatures gathered so far are not genuine.

They all agreed that the petition's email validation process would be a deterrent.

Additionally, while it is possible to buy lists of email addresses stolen in various data breaches on the black market, the owner of the list would still need to access those email accounts and retrieve the validation email before being able to sign in the name of somebody else.

Cyber-security expert Kevin Beaumont said that while it was possible that bots were involved, it would be "a bit of a pain" to build a sophisticated enough programme to cope with the email addresses.

"They would have to make a bot that signs up with unique email addresses, then clicks the unique link to sign," he said.

With protection like that in place, it looks like Russia couldn't have had any part in skewing previous votes . . . best let the USA know too ;)

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The main reason Brexit is the way it is, is because too much airtime is given to remainers who refuse to accept the referedum result.

Which never said call for a second referendum if the largly remaining MPs refuse to back brexit at every turn.

For me voting is now a waste of time as all we have to do is cry and throw our dummies out of the prams.

If only I could truly say what I want to say here, but the sware filter would melt and I'd more than likely be banned.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35988285)

Main issue is that 75% of MPs are against Brexit and Theresa May has pandered to the hardliners. Theresa May should have consulted before devising her red lines which have tripped her up.
Censoring people because they don't agree with your views is not a British approach.

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35988284)

Quotes taken from the second link (by Andrew)
With protection like that in place, it looks like Russia couldn't have had any part in skewing previous votes . . . best let the USA know too ;)

Especially relevant quotes from that article are:

"It's a petition, it's not a vote - it's not meant to be as secure as an e-voting system."

However, bot activity could still be used to slow down or crash the platform, meaning that people wanting to leave genuine signatures could be prevented from doing so. This is known as a Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack.

While Russia is notorious for seeking to meddle in the politics of the west, on this occasion there is a question mark over what its intentions would be, added Prof Woodward."All the evidence is that Russia was supporting the Leave campaign," he said. "So why would they suddenly be supporting Remain?"

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No such thing as a hardliner. I voted to leave and expect to leave, nothing hard or extreme about it.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35988297)

No such thing as a hardliner. I voted to leave and expect to leave, nothing hard or extreme about it.

Absolutely right, and those fighting against that decision of the electorate are not democrats.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35988292)

Nor should subverting the Referendum result - but that's what those MPs are doing. That is bad for democracy.